ONeils40yarder Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 They have also had a few occasions where they should have had penalties against them and they havent materialised...Partick Thistle and the League Cup final as two examples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Dundee at Celtic Park as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 The only thing I'd say is that, sometimes its impossible to make the call even with Video evidence. Faddy reckons Sundays was a penalty, and I've heard plenty of folk who think last nights was too. I havent a clue what the answer is to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 The only thing I'd say is that, sometimes its impossible to make the call even with Video evidence. Faddy reckons Sundays was a penalty, and I've heard plenty of folk who think last nights was too. Indeed, and that's true of all sports with video referees; ultimately a mere human has to make an impartial decision, and sometimes they'll still get it wrong, or the right video angle won't be available to show exactly what happened. But if it means the big decisions get called right more often without massively impacting the flow of the game, that still seems like a step in the right direction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 I have no idea what constitutes a foul anymore. It seems the penalty box is some hyper-sensitive part of the field where any physical contact isn't allowed. Some years ago Crags conceded a costly penalty at McDiarmid Park for facing the wrong way at a corner kick (no physical contact was made). Instead of facing the corner kick taker he turnmed round and faced his opponent. I've never heard an adequate explanation for that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 The only thing I'd say is that, sometimes its impossible to make the call even with Video evidence. Faddy reckons Sundays was a penalty, and I've heard plenty of folk who think last nights was too. I havent a clue what the answer is to be honest. Don't listen to rabid Celtic fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 I don't in general, but watching it back on a replay, its really difficult to say who made the contact. The best angle I have seen to say it was definitely a dive, is from some wankers phone in the South Stand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fat_tony Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 It seems the penalty box is some hyper-sensitive part of the field where any physical contact isn't allowed. Unless it's a corner of course where players are allowed to manhandle each other all they want - I assume for a set period of time counted down in the refs head before 'no touchy time' resumes. This. A million times this. It's utterly insane. There was a glimmer of hope a few seasons ago when on opening day (was it Queen of the South or someone?) multiple players got booked at corners. But the referee was obviously told that was the wrong moment to enforce the rules and it passed by into memory. Until there's consistent decision making (which should be aided by whatever technology is available), I've no doubt it'll continue to be totally baffling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 The only thing I'd say is that, sometimes its impossible to make the call even with Video evidence. (This isnt a dig btw in case it comes over as one) But surely if its impossible to call the ref cant give the decision. I think half the problem is that they are using guesswork to give decisions and hoping for the best, particularly when certain teams are involved. We also now have the situation where 'contact' is being used as a get out of jail card. A foul still requires to be committed for a team to be penalised. Contact is irrelevant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee_monsieur Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Video evidence. Other sports do it with no bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 (This isnt a dig btw in case it comes over as one) But surely if its impossible to call the ref cant give the decision. I think half the problem is that they are using guesswork to give decisions and hoping for the best, particularly when certain teams are involved. We also now have the situation where 'contact' is being used as a get out of jail card. A foul still requires to be committed for a team to be penalised. Contact is irrelevant. Totally agree...a referee must be 100% confident that a foul has been committed before he gives a penalty. All I'm saying is that I'm not sure that Video evidence would clear them all up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Totally agree...a referee must be 100% confident that a foul has been committed before he gives a penalty. All I'm saying is that I'm not sure that Video evidence would clear them all up. I think video evidence would be enough to say no penalty in both these cases. I dont think video evidence would be enough to call it a dive. Sometimes there can be a coming together of players without a foul being committed, but not necessarily an out and out dive, the whole there was contact thing makes it very hard to get a clear dive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Up For It! Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 The thing that gets me, this whole "there was contact" pish. It's a contact sport!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaka Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 The thing with video evidence in rugby is the questioning. If the referee feels he sees the ball grounded for example he asks "Any reason I cannot award the try?" With this the player gets the benefit of the doubt and the try is inevitably awarded. If the referee thinks he saw something but isnt sure, he asks "Try / No Try" then its the letter of the law, any dubiety the try isnt awarded. Thats how you get round video evidence dubiety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 While I would welcome the use of VAR technology, the blue and green ugly sisters would abuse it for their own ends, they would be in the refs faces like rabid dogs wanting a review of every decision against them, and given that the SFA / SPFL / and the refs are all shitebags when it comes to dealing with them they would get away with it. Can you imagine the meltdown we would be having now if it had been Motherwell who had been awarded those penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 While I would welcome the use of VAR technology, the blue and green ugly sisters would abuse it for their own ends, they would be in the refs faces like rabid dogs wanting a review of every decision against them Easily avoided by using the NFL or Wimbledon system, where you get a limited number of challenges per match so you have to pick your battles wisely. Or more likely, the system they're currently using in the MLS and Bundesliga, where only four specific situations can be referred to the VAR (goals, penalties, red cards, and mistaken identity). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Up For It! Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Club has released a statement but as per website has went into meltdown so bo idea what it says. Celtic fans seethe at the ready... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 It says about seeking clarification over decisions. Investigating Motherwell fans re Brown comments And also 206 damaged seats, graffiti and broken toilets in the South Stand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 That wee bit at the end is a belter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siebsbarmyarmy Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Actually reading the comments on twitter from the Celtic Fans is making me want to go all D-Fens from Falling Down. Head out with a AK47. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamwell Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 The full statement is on Twitter for those that can't get on the site. The replies from Celtic fans are there for your enjoyment too, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 https://twitter.com/MotherwellFC/status/936308971232808960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Windass booked for diving in the Aberdeen game. Yellow card? Totally worth it. If denying a clear goalscoring opportunity is worth a red then surely cheating to create a clear goalscoring opportunity (penalty) should be worth a red as well? The only way to get rid of this is in our game is to have genuine consequences. All clear dives should carry a two match ban. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Presumably if Windass' leg had caught Lewis, then that would consitute 'contact' and a 'stonewaller' though. Agree with the point though. Well worth the risk of a yellow. Particularly when you can initiate/ensure contact. Ironically, if you get away with it in the game, you can end up with a ban on review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Ironically, if you get away with it in the game, you can end up with a ban on review. The rules are mental when you pick them apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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