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I don't really think ward was at fault for 3rd, just took a terrible spin..anyway Ap stam won't do for me , just average at most things..think hendry could get goals given a run

Focusing on yesterday it appears that on here at least Ap Stam, our lack of a goal threat and Ward are being cited as the root cause of that performance. In fact some appear to be revelling in that reasoning. Ap Stam did not have a great game and we need improvement, but he and Ward were far from the worst players on view. Being let of lightly by most are Watt, Maswanhise, Fadinger, Longolo and McGinn who delivered far less than Stam and Ward. In fact Maswanhise, Watt and Longolo turned in performances almost as dire as they did against Livi. Except yesterday they did not have the convenient excuse of an artificial surface that seemingly affected their ability to run or pass the ball. On a Managerial comparison, Askou was completely out thought by Robinson who devised a system that negated the advantage we thought we would have given the larger playing surface. Can I suggest Robinson learned more from our earlier meeting than Askou did? Looked to me that Saints were perfectly happy to surrender space out wide knowing that we would more often than not slow the game down and eventually meekly surrender the ball. Time after time. Team selection wise, given the hype regarding the threat the Saints giants pose, I get why Askou selected Gordon. But not selecting Welsh and retaining McGinn was a huge error in my opinion. Welsh is the only Centre Back we have with the ability to pass the ball forward (through a pressing opposition) to the feet of our midfield/forwards. Driving us upfield. What we saw first half was the ball repeatedly played along the back line making it almost impossible for Said and Longolo to press forward quickly. On the right side, Katroumbis was a bit more effective offensively but sadly he received poor support from Maswanhise. I think Askou acknowledged that situation at Half Time which is why Welsh appeared. Why else bring on a Centre Back when losing 2-0? I also think Slattery should have started or at least been brought on along with Welsh. So, No, I don't believe Stam and Ward were the main reason we fell short yesterday. Far from it. Too many of our players had possibly their worst performance of the season, not assisted by team selection. I'm far from jumping ship as regards our new approach, but previous Managers were rightly slated for not having a plan B to revert to in times of need. So far I have seen nothing to suggest that Askou is any different. We have a difficult run of games coming up and we are far too predictable. Hopefully we will see some tactical changes that give opposition Managers food for thought. Surely that can be the case without moving away from our possession/passing approach. It was far too easy for Robinson and his players yesterday. Having said all that, it is astounding how one piece of refereeing incompetence can change the dynamics of a game.

The whole team was awful yesterday Ward - Should of saved the 3rd goal Koutrombis - Absolutley horrendous, the fact a proffesional footballer can't open their body up properly when receving the ball was particulary infuriating. Gordon - Awful Mcginn - Poor but made a couple of important tackles and blocks. Longelo - Worst game in a motherwell shirt Watt - Fadinger - Both poor compared to how they've played this season and were physically bullied of O'Hara and Phillips Mawanhise - Poor, wasted 2 big chances Just - Probably our brightest spark and at least tried to make things happen Said - Couple of nice dribbles but no end product Stam - Was decent tbf held the ball in well against Gogic and got us up the pitch Subs Welsh, Sparrow, Hendry all made postive impacts when they came on Welsh and Sparrow and Slattery all should of started. RCC - Was pretty anonymous when he came on. That game has to be used as a learning curve for Jens when we play St Mirren next we should let them win the first ball when they go long and just drop and pick up 2nds.

Everyone bitterly disappointed but I agree, let’s not start ripping everything up and revert to hoofball kick and rush. Earlier in the season it seemed like people agreed there will be bumps in the road but sounds like any bump we hit is cause for over the top knee jerk reactions. I also wouldn’t be hoping for any major recruiting during the January window as I always think it’s very tough to get quality players mid season amd would expect the summer window to be when we can improve our squad. regarding yesterday I think it’s fair comment to say we could possibly have started with a different line up. Once we are two down as time runs out we end up leaving ourselves exposed at the back, a risk I think we had to take but St Mirren punished us for that. the players were not at their best but perhaps not as bad as made out to be in some of the posts but i do agree that we need to improve our goal scoring amd defense although if we can improve on one of those that might be enough.

They make the Edinburgh, Aberdeen fans come to Glasgow so dunno if there's much logic applied

There is so much bollocks being talked about tactics, formations, tactical genius blah blah blah. The simple reality is every one one of our players under performed from what we know they can. Every St Mirren player played to their potential. Play that game another day its a different result. St Mirren got the break of the crucial refereeing decision that settled them down to get them ahead. Even in the first half when we were at our poorest their keeper brings of a great save and manwanhise fluffs a great chance. We were really poor but the "excellent" St Mirren performance very nearly derailed. Had we not given away a comedy goal straight after we equalise I think St Mirren could have been rocking. Yesterday was a very fine margin despite how we underperformed.

You'll see from the comments that some didn't like ga/sk football and they also not too on with jba stuff, so they don't know what they want either

And why put fans to the expense of going to Edinburgh which would take a few thousand of the crowd when Hampden is right between Paisley and Motherwell.

Apologies I wasn't meaning to have a go at you in particular. I just get fed hearing people talk about how it looks on TV. We are a small country and we have empty spaces in football grounds, it's normal.

Desperately trying to lick wounds today, but is anyone else still a bit in disbelief around how that played out yesterday?! Can’t help but keep thinking, can we play that again today and the real Motherwell turn up….grim

When you looked at betting odds before match we were 10 to 1 to win the cup. It's not total surprise we lost. St Mirren are now 7 to 2 to win the cup.

The focus on retaining possession seems to have overtaken the need to get the ball into the box, leaving our play pedestrian and easy for opponents to manage in non-dangerous areas.

Thing that confuses is this. First few league games of the season we played the possession game but with real pace when needed and as often stated other fans raving about us. See the Hearts game etc. But in last 3 games inc yesterday the pace has slowed to a crawl. Anyone know why? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Absolutely. Slattery should have been hooked at 60 minutes on Wednesday in preparation for starting yesterday. Just didnt play at all and could easily have managed 30 minutes. Maswanhise was also absolutely burst with 20 to go on Wednesday and was invisible yesterday. To be fair, I do think the injuries to SOD and potentially Welsh on Wednesday night altered the gameplan for subs, but it definitely felt like there were different decisions that could have been made then, that look even worse now.

I happen to agree with this but on other hand I have no issue with some people coming on a fans forum and having a vent at manager / players etc. I had rest of family with me yesterday all really up for game and it was a crushing disappointment. im sure the players will feel the pain but unlikely to be anywhere near what we all do. best way they can make it right is winning against Aberdeen and Killie and I’m sure many, if not most, will be up for the Hibs game under lights.

I was thinking the same, nothing worse when someone tries to be funny 🤣🤣

Same for me, I assume the 1 vote for ward was a mistake by somebody.

Spot on Spider

Just under 20k, though I think they're talking about increasing that. I totally get the better atmosphere argument, but it would be ludicrous if anyone missed out on a ticket for a semi-final between 2 provincial teams because there weren't enough seats

Agree with that mate

Totally agree yesterday was a bad day at the office, our lack of a goal threat cost us badly, as St Mirren just sat back and gave us the midfield knowing we would not get through or in behind them. Its not the first bad performance this season and it wont be the last, the 3rd and 4th goals were a shambles defensively, nobody taking charge and too many playrs standing watching instead of blocking the shots etc. The final score flattered St Mirren big time but they took their chances when they came, we didn't. I hope JBA can see what we all can ie we are hopeless up front, when we did move the ball quicker down the wing, great ball in and we scored, why cant we do that more often? So we learn from yesterday and move on , disappointing that we cant win the treble now, but onwards and upwards.

2-0 defeat

Aberdeen playing in europe on Thursday so hopefully tired. I hope JBA mixes it up a bit. 1) Welsh back in starting xi surely 2) start Stama and Hendry as a front two. 3) maybe start Halliday in midfield and rest Fadinger or Watt. I think some players maybe think they are guaranteed a start so it keeps them on their toes. I will take an ugly 1-0 win if offered

Some would have been glad to miss that dire show.