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Agree that Turnbull is a worthy shout for both. Disagree that anyone who thinks otherwise for POTY is being absurd or deserving of or inviting derision or mockery.
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I think, basically, McLeish is a better coach than he is manager. He showed with us that, given the right players, he was able to get the best from them. When he needed to be a manager and sign new players and build a new system, he failed on a grand scale. If he was coaching the Scotland squad from the 70s or 80s he'd probably do just fine. However, the last manager to get the best out of a limited Scotland squad was probably Craig Brown.
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The 94-96 was a great kit with some great detail (claret buttons on the collar!). It was also at the orange end of the amber spectrum and more in keeping with our original dark amber that was used in our first C&A top.
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Some of that I agree with. Some less so. I can't say I loathe him. Even though things didn't work as well as they might I always thought McLeish was a really good bloke. Any dealings I had with him he was friendly, happy to give of his time and pretty open and honest. You're absolutely right though in that I can barely recall a Motherwell manager getting the same "protection" in the media. The further down the table we went the more he seemed to be talked up as this terrific promising young manager. I remember him being linked with a move away around the time we to Parkhead and got smashed 5-0. You might have thought some questions might have been asked but no the line was that Motherwell fans should be doing everything they could to encourage this great young manager in the making to stay. He was sensible enough to continue to let McLean's team do its stuff but when that twenty odd game domestic run came to a halt the slide was never really halted. We did enough to finish second of course but the second half of that saw saw a 6-1 loss to Dundee Utd who were relegated and 3-0 to Falkirk who were fighting relegation and that was as good as it would ever be. The most curious thing of his reign was the amount of money he had to spend. And to this day it remains baffling that Tommy McLean moved on supposedly because Motherwell wouldn't match his ambitions yet the club were seemingly happy gave a managerial novice free reign to spend something like £1m - £1.5m. There's no question in my mind though that clubs knew we had the Phil O'Donnell money and we literally paid the price. I tend to think when set in the context of the time most of his signings made some sense even if many were overpriced and plenty didn't work out. Scott Howie for example was a former Scotland U21 goalkeeper tipped for big things but he never fulfilled his potential. Hendry had scored goals in the English top flight and was reasonably highly related. McSkimming and May were both arguably performing at the peak of their careers when he signed them. It wasn't all bad. He brought Valakari to the club, spotted something in Craigan and brought him over from NI, the likes of Coyle and Falconer were decent signings and gave us something when needed and he played a fair part in the development of the likes of McCulloch and McMillan who would latterly earn the club a fair bit. I think the likes of Hibs and Rangers certainly benefited from him cutting his teeth at Motherwell and you're right when his time at Fir Park was up he went away better for the experience whilst we were some way back from where we'd been when he first walked in the door.
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If I recall correctly, the 94-96 kit launched early and they wore it unannounced for the first time in a season 93/94 crunch title race match at home against the h*n. Can anyone verify? It was the first time I’d seen a hoop on the socks. Some great players wore that kit !!!
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I loath McLeish. His time at Fir Park was terrible and what annoyed me was that he was never criticised in the press. His spending and signings were a joke. Shaun McSkimming a journey man we paid a fortune for, two attackers Kirk and McGrillan and money for Eddie May a full back. Andy Roddie and John Hendrie still give me the shivers considering we paid money for them. Hendrie went to Stirling Albion and two years later was playing for Pollok Juniors. He left us in a terrible state and Harry Kampman had to bring in loads of players. But enough about him. However I once heard an experienced manager saying that a good judge of a managers ability was the state he left a club in. McLeish failed on that front too.
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We've certainly played in Mexico but not sure if it was against the Mexican national team. Around the mid-seventies. I can't remember where I saw it (might have been when Scotland played there in a summer) but there's a Motherwell pennant on a wall somewhere in the Azteca Stadium because we've played there.
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Yes it demonstrates the subtle importance of amber over the more commonly used yellow. I’m always dismayed when clubs play fast and loose with their branding and signature colours. We chose our colours for a good reason and we should never ever take them for granted. Clubs are more conscious of branding these days and Motherwell have made great strides in this department in recent years. On this forum I’ve campaigned on several MFC branding and kit issues and it’s heartening to see a few of them have been taken on board. The introduction of the original MFC monogram rather than the bog standard script font on kits/training wear was a huge step forward. I was boring myself with the amount of times I mentioned/campaigned for it on here. They got so bored with my whining that they ask me to draw it for them. Modern takes on classic kits is another thing I have pushed for and it’s been heartening to see a few modern retro inspired offerings like the 70s sash kit or our original blue top combined with C&A. The 125 retro anniversary was another milestone that recognised our 1960s signature top. So I’ve been quietly happy with the way our kits have been going recently, however, I just wish we could afford to ditch the Betting Dot Com sponsor as it ruins the kit. Or perhaps agree with the sponsor to allow us to sell a non sponsored version along side it.
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Im a better left back than Shinnie and im 55.
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Glad they didn't add the hoop to the yellow one, but looks great on the amber version.
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I was always a fan of the 94-96 home strip. That top still looks good even now when you see it on old highlights. Also liked the 96/97 away white top when Coyle scored that double at Ibrox.
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How the Motherwell adidas shirt would have looked like with a claret hoop and also in amber rather than yellow. A missed opportunity I think.
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Haha! Very true. Although that other one was a bit more like England winning the Ashes or Cambridge winning the boat race.
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Have Motherwell ever played Mexico before
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Aberdeen fans would be beeiling. It was 2 european trophies!
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I wouldn't for one second attempt a diagnosis, but it was obvious from his media appearances prior to the Scotland job that he had some kind of illness. Primarily from the mild slurring in his speech. Of course, that doesn't mean dementia - for all I know it could be a dental issue. Or even a mild stroke from which he's made an otherwise full recovery. Unfortunately, as a prominent centre-half in his day that spent many years heading heavy footballs, it is more likely to be some kind of head-trauma related condition. Regardless, I agree with Al B. Putting his history as Motherwell gaffer aside, he is worthy of the legend status playing in a team that broke the OF stranglehold on the SPL title, winning a European trophy and being half of a defnesive partnership with Willie Miller that was truly world class. He just shouldn't have been anywhere near the Scotland job.
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Completely wrong thread, but i suppose the youth part makes sense. But any way of watching the scotland u21s friendly? See how the young team get on.
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I'm just glad that there are options and we can actually choose someone. Several months ago the thought of picking Players of the year would have been laughable. Unless it was based on the least disappointing. I agree Turnbull had an amazing impact by way of goals, chances created,composure..... but I think his biggest impact was that he brought hope and belief and lifted a group of fans and players who had all but given up on avoiding a relegation battle. So I can see the argument for him winning both awards. But for his heart, desire and will to win no matter what, my player of the season is Aldred, with Turnbull as young player. Special mention to Gillespie also.
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I don’t think it’s actually that far off the mark. I personally think Turnbull was the catalyst that saw the season change around. While I accept it’s a team game he had a massive effect on the whole team, not just with some crucial goals but the lift he gave everyone, including the crowd. I would not be upset at all if he won both awards because he’s at the heart of just about everything positive the team do.
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Don't agree, there are several worthy candidates . I do agree though that he's been very impressive and is therefore my young POTY. Also a candidate, I admit, for POTY. My choice was Aldred although there are other candidates. They are two different kinds of players and in that respect its hard to compare them. In the main, its what Turnbull does on the ball and his goals that gets him noticed and thats not surprising. Aldred is a different kind of player and, with the exception of his match winning brace at Hamilton, its what he stops or prevents that is his strength. In years to come no-one will recall his crucial role in stopping opposition strikers from scoring in individual games. The statistics will not record that. My point is that there are several worthy candidates for POTY and posters are not being ridiculous if they hold different views to yourself.
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I don't have much time for Alex McLeish. His time in charge at Fir Park was the only time I've ever considered stopping going to Fir Park. He couldn't leave us quick enough to go to Hibs and annoyed our directors big time in the process. He did the same at Hibs (what went around came around) to join Rangers. It left a bad taste in the mouth. When he was sacked from Ibrox he was slotted in by the SFA as national manager. When an offer came in from Birmingham he was offski double quick again. In his managerial career he's shown no loyalty or class at all. I've always been of the view he should never have been re-appointed last year. Part of the Old Boys network. That was before I read your post Al. Like many, I've suspected that he's had health problems but didn't know any specifics. I'm genuinely sorry to hear that it might be early onset dementia - a horrible condition and if that is indeed the case I wish him and his family well. However, if he knew that, before being offered the Scotland job once again he should not have accepted it. He will be very well off financially and is 60 after all. Whats more if he told the SFA about it at the time and they were still keen to appoint him then they too must accept a fair share of responsibility. In short a totally unsatisfactory situation all round. Lets not forget that he's human though and if he does have a serious illness then I wish him well. It could happen to any of us. To finish on a lighter note, after this extremely depressing subject, Theresa May could have done with Alex McLeish's asssistance in getting us out of Europe quickly.
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Asking him to step aside after the Nations League would've made sense to me. Getting someone in as they were punting their chief exec was difficult, so McLeish doing what was required for 6 months gives you 6 months to hunt someone longer term, and in turn would've given them a few months to prepare for the qualifying campaign.
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Was a bad move bringing back McLeish in the first place and have a feeling it will all end in disaster. Never really rated the guy tbh
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If true, and not in a position to say one way or another, this would be completely unacceptable. It has looked for some time like Scottish football is an utter clusterf*ck. This would surely put the tin hat on it.
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