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So it’s simply a case of appointing a manager that can win two cup finals against Celtic, should not be too difficult.

I thought it was a very disciplined performance. We just didnt quite have enough quality to hurt them on the counter without committing too many bodies forward. You can pick holes in the performance, such as Gillespies punch for the first goal, Bevis losing his wrestling match with Helander for the 2nd, Long passing up 2 very good chances. However, we limited a team that have handed out skelpings to a number of teams this season, to very few clear cut chances, whilst offering some threat going forwards ourselves. Play to those standards every week we will win more than we lose....

Our record against Rangers is poor, that's fair to say. Though its telling that we discount cup games and the play offs because it doesn't suit the story. Our record at Celtic Park is probably a lot better than our peers and on average if we count them (the old firm) as one we're probably bang average againsy them amongst other teams at our level. We used to beat rangers all the time in the 90s despite having less success (more top 3 finishes, more cup finals etc. Obviously barring one major success). Its It's just a quirk of statistics, not some deep seated fear of going to ibrox, but that's not fun to get raging about.

Correct. I only wish more of our fans thought along those lines instead of trying to excuse performances like yesterday's second half with "Rangers budget is bigger than ours". The difference in budget didn't cause our team and manager to approach the second half with the sole tactic of trying to hang on for a point. The difference in budget didn't cause us to drop deeper and deeper til we were defending on our own 18 yard line. And the difference in budget didn't cause us to concede a goal due to our goalkeeper making a howler and then concede another soft one from a cross later in the game. I'm fed up with the attitude from some of our fans that says we basically have no chance of beating them because of their budget. That as I said is a cop out and you're just basically lying to yourself in order to give yourself some consolation.

We shit the bed because we made no attempt to try and win the game yesterday. Our sole tactic in the second half was to sit deep, waste time and hope for a point. We have done this for nearly twenty years against rangers and that's why we haven't beaten them in a league match in that time. If you don't want to use Aberdeen as an example given their historical success (which is irrelevant to this discussion btw) fine, remove from from the equation. In the same timescale I am referring to, Kilmarnock, Accies, St.Johnstone, Dundee Utd, Hibs, Hearts, Inverness have all went to Ibrox and picked up three points and some on more than one occasion. We haven't even mustered a home league win against them in that time FFS! Don't give me this nonsense about luck. You are not telling me it's just down to pure bad luck on our part that we fold every time we play Rangers when other clubs of a similar standing to us are able to beat them. I don't expect us to go to Ibrox and won every time, but you'd think we'd manage it now and again but we don't. We have not won at Ibrox in the league since the 1990s, that is a truly awful stat.

Are you getting this? Your 'shit the bed' rant is mindless in terms of professional football. What are you even talking about? Do you even know because I don't? And another thing you don't appear to get. Aberdeen are historically the third best team in the country with a far superior record to that of of Motherwell and were the last team outside the OF to win the title. And are you getting this. They hadn't won at Ibrox in over a quarter of a century until the last few years when Rangers weren't what they have historically been . Shit the bed whatever that's supposed to mean? Yet somehow you think Motherwell should be beating them at Ibrox. And you think other sides have no problem beating them? Which alternate reality are you existing in? The reality is that Kilmarnock and everybody else do exactly what Motherwell do and simply get luckier. They park the bus then manage to survive a virtual siege to grab something on the break and Motherwell just haven't been so lucky. Hibs hammered 6-1. Hamilton 5-0 and Aberdeen 5-0 yet somehow Motherwell should be beating them. Do you grasp that even Celtic went there and sat off them but had the quality to catch them on the break? Seems you don't grasp that and what you're doing amounts to slating a young team who are currently having their best season in years.

Aye someone who can win a trophy. Definitely someone who won't bottle two cup finals.

I hear Parks of Hamilton have already delivered Kilmarnock's luxury coach, ready for parking.

I am not having all this" great performance no shame in losing to a big team like rangers "pish. We were in a winning position and blew it, losing a goal in 1st half stoppage time is criminal, and why do we struggle to defend set pieces, we constantly seem to struggle to hold on to games we should be taking something from. Over the years we have beaten Celtic and every other team in the league on numerous occasions, but e very game against that mob we shite it. I thought when we pumped them in the playoff game, ( a pish rangers team I know) we had finally proved to ourselves we could go and beat them home or away, but no,it's back to the same old pish, its getting ridiculous now

The way I was feeling before the game I’ll take it and move on but it is very frustrating to be so close to taking something from the game and ending up with nothing. We have to focus and win next weeks game to get third spot. All in all we are in a much better place than recent years at the same time. last game of first round of fixtures and we are battling for third spot. In reality as good as we could realistically expect.

And so would Robinson, as the new Aberdeen manager.

It’s certainly been an interesting start to the season. The new signings were initially heaped with praise, which then turned in its head to the majority of them described as terrible, then back to optimism again. Donnelly looked to be this seasons fall guy “ is he even a footballer” stands out. Robinson has again gone from having question marks against him to the fear we may lose home to a bigger club. Looking at it as it stands at this point we’ve actually had a good summer, Gallagher is a top player, Polworth just gets better and better, we’ve actually signed a more than decent left back In Carroll , Cole, Seedorf, and Hylton are all finding their feet and improving. Donnelly is quickly turning into one of the better midfielders in the division and my god he’s a goal scorer. If we could hold on to a fit again Turnbull we could finish top four in my opinion, still seen nothing to be frightened of outside the top two. I just wish one or two posters were more patient. Robinson has had to more or less build a new team and it takes time for some players to adjust. There will always be ups and downs with a team like Motherwell with such a restricted budget.