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That though is the whole problem. There is no consistency whatsoever. Look at the Mugabi and Roberts tackle. Same game, same ref, same tackle different outcome. No conspiracy theories just inconsistency. I have not seen the Celtic players tackle but different game, different ref different outcome. People pay their money to watch a cup tie of 11 v 11. If a ref is to make a decision in the first minute to change that he has to be confident that he has it right. The fact that he did not send of Roberts suggests to me that Collum was not as confident about the first decision. My own theory there is that he actually showed a moment of genuine compassion about the teams situation. Not right but certainly not the actions of a man out to get us. I am not really understanding the OF levels of paranoia comments either however. It is a legitimate debate and just because a few are very confident in there opinion that it is as a red, does no mean that anybody who disagrees with that is showing OF levels of paranoia. That is a strange conclusion to come to. Was Kenny Miller showing OF levels of paranoia. He thought the decision was harsh. I thought a yellow would have been enough but I can see why the red was given. It comes as part of a growing trend from a small minority to dismiss anything and anybody that actually tries to defend the club (I have quoted you Yorkyred but I don't mean to implicate you in this observation) the players and it's own fans. It is like a bias against the club. I thought that the role of a football fan was to be biased and blinkered in favour of your own club not against it. Is that not part of the fun of it? Within a minute of the sending off on Sunday there was a few tripping over themselves to blame Graham Alexander. He was standing in the dugout. It was 50 seconds into the game. How does that work? It is almost like the red card provides a platform to justify deep seated frustrations and opinions about the club and its fans. Mugabi made an honest mistake and yet the clammer to vilify him started instantly. Could you imagine if it had been SOD, the player that was been slated by a minority of Well fans last summer in the Euros for keeping Nathan Patterson out of the Scotland team.? Ultimately it was a red card and the vast majority of Well fans would agree that the ref made the decision as he saw it at the time for good and honest reasons. He was influenced by the reaction of the Hibs players and he was influenced by the fact that Doig was upended because of the weight difference between the two players. He is bound to be influenced by those factors because he is human. In his quiet moments after the game he may feel he got it right, he may feel he got it wrong. As fans we should have the opportunity to discuss it without being brow beaten one way or the other.

It wasn't the worst tackle you'll ever see, but right in front of the referee when he was on a yellow was crazy. Funny watching him trying to get as far away from Frisk as possible afterwards, but I don't remember being amused at the time.

He has taken a ridiculous amount of stick recently but we'll done to SOD and of course super Liam. Yes SOD not been on great form but it's still great to have 2 players in the squad

A set of results that sees us 4th is about 60-1. If anyone fancies being annoyed for more reasons at 5 o'clock on Saturday.

yep, different ref and it does happen all the time but they are surely all refereeing to the same rules, its not meant to be subjective. if mugabe had been an old firm player , he wouldn't have walked, that's the frustration. people saying he didn't need to challenge are the same ones who give players pelters for not challenging...its a split second decision, I am sure he regrets going In now , but still say he's unlucky, hes not a dirty player.

The "Hans Christian Anderson" territory for me is the chat about the OF joining the EPL. I'm 48 years old and this topic has been around most, if not all, of my adult life, if not even longer. It simply isn't going to happen for reasons that have been discussed ad nauseam.

Me too. VAR will make it even more pointless for smaller teams to try and compete with the big teams. It's also takes the joy out of the whole point of football - scoring a goal.

Where to begin? If we finish tenth, as seems possible, will it be considered par for the course? It is supposedly what we budget for. Unfortunately, the manner in which we have gone about it has left some of our support less than satisfied. It is a results business, but we have not been good to watch all year, just lucky we picked up points when on a decent run. Conversely, pretty football doesn't win you anything, and while we can look back through rose tinted spectacles at the great football sometimes played by the youngsters when we were in administration, history shows we would have been relegated thateason if we had not benefited from Falkirk's stadium shortcomings. A balance is obviously required, and that is one area we are falling down on. I do think that a little slack has to be given to the management regarding the circumstances of the pandemic. We have had to budget for a larger squad than we might otherwise require in order to fulfill fixtures and we have lost out in not being able to bring through young players from our system because of no reserve or age group matches. Things are going to have to change in order to improve matters and we need to decide if Alexander and company are the people to take us forward. As for people deciding that enough is enough and not renewing season tickets, while it is a shame, it certainly isn't my place to be telling anyone how to spend their hard earned cash. I hope that long term supports can keep the faith and perhaps return to the fold once we get a better team on the park. I have been a Motherwell fan for long enough to know that there are always going to be bumps on the road, but another Pettigrew, McFadden, Turnbull is just around the corner. I can also confirm that, after several years overseas, being a Motherwell fan is an incurable condition, but it is not terminal. Does Liam Kelly really get £4 grand a week?

Whilst I appreciate your opinion, I would say that the time when a foul is committed is irrelevant, whether it be in the first minute or the last and it must be adjudicated solely on its merits as a foul whether minor or otherwise. Further, if VAR had been available yesterday and it confirmed the referee’s red card decision, we’d still have had to sit through 89 minutes of a game that was effectively over. VAR, as has been well demonstrated in the English Premiership, is far from being a panacea to help football make “the right calls”. Consider how many pundits and fans (from both clubs including many on this forum) forensically analysed the same TV replays and freeze-frames of Bevis Mugabi’s tackle yesterday. Now consider that having done so, opinions are still divided between those who think it warranted a red card and those who think it should’ve been a yellow. My point is, that referees only have a split second in real time to make a decision based on what they’ve seen and that even with VAR, there’s still room for doubt or debate as to the “final” decision. For my own part, when I saw the tackle in real time, admittedly from much further away than the referee, I thought it looked a bad one and risked a red card. Having reviewed it on TV, and, whilst I’m absolutely certain there was no malice on Bevis Mugabi’s part, I’m sorry to say that I still believe that it warranted a red card. What pissed me off yesterday, was seeing a number of Hibs players running at the referee waving their arms and demanding he send Mugabi and then later, Roberts off. This is despicable and has no place in football and I hope the referee has the guts to make comment in his match report on the conduct of the Hibs players involved at these incidents and that the SFA take appropriate action towards those players and send a message that this kind of conduct won’t be tolerated. If he fails to do so then Motherwell should raise the issue with the SFA direct.

The challenge by Bevis was still a red. As was the one from Roberts. Sent from my Pixel 6 Pro using Tapatalk

So gutted for Premier Sports........NOT!! lol

Semi final draw Celtic v Rangers Hearts v Hibs Somebody fecked up the draw then,

I haven't posted on here for a very long time. I was regular season ticket holder and used to go to FP every week with four mates. We all stopped going about 3 years ago. Watching Alexanders boot it up the park tactics and before him Robinson's cave man football, I have no intention of returning and paying the over inflated prices to be bored out of my skull for 90 minutes. If anyone thinks what is being served up at FP and in the Premier League in general, even allowing for the abysmal standard of player, is really football then put forward your argument. We can't even attract 4000 supporters on a good day. That says it all. Graham Alexander is another manager we have employed who trawls the depths of despair e.g. the English lower leagues for players whose careers have consisted of being put out on loan season after season. He then signs them . Oh and the next time Alexander changes his expression let me know. I swear it is a cardboard cutout standing at the touchline. No animation, no emotion, no passion, no encouragement. His after match comments beggar belief. It is like a repeat TV programme. He needs to be told that the rules DO allow him to pick the same 11 players in the same positions more than once rather than putting the players names in a hat. As for the current squad of players. We have one guy who could play at a higher level and that is Kelly the goalkeeper. He is paid approx £4000 a week and earns it. As for the rest of the players. Parcel them up in a box and put them on a shelf at BM Bargains and see if anyone bites. That's the only way you might get money for them.