santheman

Wouldn't be surprised to see him roll up at Killie. McInnes's type of player.

tbf I haven't really read anywhere except on here that there's a targeted attempt to give up fan ownership. That's not to say that won't happen as negotiations progress and vested interests come to the fore. All the social media stuff I've read is along the same lines, ie keep an open mind as to what any offer might materialise. I think there's a cats chance in hell of the WS members giving up control unless it's a truly extraordinary offer and even then I think its unlikely going by the members I know I've been speaking to, only one person out of 20 odd said they would be prepared to vote away our majority, the rest not under any circumstances. Not a very big sample granted.

Difference is ALL their fixtures are known from the start of the season so pure chance if you had a Liverpool/Arsenal/ Man City winner takes all on the last day. Ours can be manipulated to avoid that because of the split.

Only in Scotland. Any other country it would be the showpiece winner takes all finale.

I think when you take into consideration that Kettlewell was working with a much reduced playing budget and we were paying salaries to 2 managers (possibly 3 if you believe rumours) then to end the season relatively safe from relegation, looking like breaking even financially and seeing another academy product potentially earning us some good money and the prospect of some outside investment then I'm happy with that. Things could have been a lot worse.

Billy Bowie a director of Kilmarnock and his company who are one of Killies main sponsors personally funded Van Veens wages reputed to be 6k pw and their playing budget this season is considerably higher than ours so not a good comparison. And yes they have a good manager who also doesn't come cheap.

We all thought the same today till we looked at the league tables and realised we're no different to all the teams round about us. Hibs won 9 Mwell won 8 St J won 7 Ross Co won 6 Puts it into a bit of perspective

I know 2 of them and they're in the same boat as most of us. Waiting to see what the offer is then making up their minds based on the facts and figures. Everyone will have their own opinion and particular conspiracy theory.

Best post of the week mate.👍

This. He said that he had been looking at various clubs here and in England before settling on Motherwell so he could probably have had the choice of several clubs to invest in without the fan ownership model to contend with so if he'd simply wanted to buy a club outright there are plenty he could have chosen before us. Only another few weeks before we know the facts and figures of his offer so it'll give us something to talk about over the close season

That was shot down in flames at the time as comparing apples and oranges.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68790801 An insight to our potential investor

I didn't say it was a fluke but without it we would be in a far worse position. There's no guarantee that we're going to produce a Turnbull every other season. The fact that we have money in the bank and the WS and yet Kettlewell had to drastically cut the playing budget tells a story.

So far and only because of the Turnbull money. Next season you've got both Dundee clubs with owners seemingly happy to pump millions into their playing squads. Hibs with 5m American investment. Kilmarnock with Billy Bowie and his blank chequebook Hearts hoovering up all the better players in our league with 15m sitting in the bank from their foundation and Budge and Co happy to keep putting money in. Ross County with Uncle Roy's blank chequebook. Aberdeen with a rich chairman putting his money where his mouth is (not that its helped this season of course) St Johnstone with a potential American buyer with money to burn by the sounds of it. Even St Mirren have Gilmour putting money in albeit in the form of soft loans. Old Firm take care of themselves. That leaves us and with no form of outside investment unless you class the WS as that. Money doesn't always buy success of course but it makes it a damn sight easier. Do we sit back and hope that the teams with more money than us manage to keep f*****g things up and we keep "punching above our weight" and continue to get lucky with bargain basement buys to stay in the top flight. I'm still of the opinion that the WS retain control of the club but if we want to keep competing at this level in light of whats happening at other clubs we need to look at every option otherwise we might find ourselves in the never ending cycle of trying to avoid the dreaded bottom 2 places every season and the type of football that brings

With a possible vote to make grass pitches mandatory for our League it might take them a bit longer than they think🤔. 0https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/premiership-clubs-vote-banning-plastic-32311245

Oh it's pretty well known but if you don't actively follow up on it on a regular basis then folks tend to forget about it which I think has happened. I make a monthly contribution but other than a couple of generic emails over the years I've never been asked directly if I would consider increasing my amount( which I would and have done) If it was a charity you would be getting inundated with begging texts/emails but maybe the WS felt that they didn't want to keep going back to the same people all the time, I don't know. Hopefully with all the recent publicity and investment talk and the need to increase WS funds more people who maybe paid the original £300 but didn't know about, or take up the offer of monthly contributions might consider it now.

They've definitely missed out on revenues by not targeting members who paid the original lump sums to become a member and who would have probably been happy to top that up with ongoing monthly contributions. With the new board focused on income generation hopefully that's one of the things they can pursue.

A new website giving all that kind of info is near completion according to the WS along with new ideas on fundraising. As I said earlier the new board are starting to make their presence felt.

One fly in the ointment could be the Dundee Rangers game being off this midweek which going by the weather forecast is a distinct possibility. It would leave us in a bit of limbo for a few more days, especially if we beat Hibs and Aberdeen beat Dundee. Hopefully it goes ahead and we know whether it's top or bottom 6 by 5pm on Saturday.

It's no secret that the WS board would prefer to retain 51% of the shares but they're also not stupid enough to reject any offer of inward investment out of hand before hearing what it is. That offer will eventually be put to the members and it will be up to us to decide what we vote for, not any one individual The various WS board members will no doubt have their own individual views the same as us but I'm sure any recommendations they put forward will have the best interests of the club at heart. I'd also expect some kind of open forums where people can ask questions and express their views prior to any vote.

Nope They voted in principle to listen to what the investor had to offer and not reject anything out of hand. The vote wasn't to give up the majority shareholding.

They might have had in the past and rightly so but with the election of the new WS board members, what I know of them and what I've heard so far convinces me that we've now got good people on board and they have finally got their act together. One of the board members Jay has posted several insights on P&B to what has been happening behind the scenes so well worth a look. They're actual facts straight from the horses mouth and not some of the pish being spouted on here by a certain person. All the rumours and conspiracy theories being banded about on here are just that, and NOTHING will happen without the agreement of the WS members who will all be privy to what final offer (if any) is on the table before being asked to vote on whether to accept it or not. I doubt anything that doesn't guarantee the WS retaining 51% would succeed unless it was something absolutely spectacular akin to a Euromillions win. I for one would laugh the "rumoured" 1.5m offer for 51% out of the park and so would anyone else in their right mind.

Another day another rumour.🙄 Let's wait until we see whatever's on offer in black and white eh?

He's already had some informal discussions with the Well Society board and I believe more are planned as things develop. Jay gave an update over on P&B a few days ago.

Very true but for all we know maybe he tried to sign another centre half in January but it was just that none were available, we'll probably never know. My memory isn't as good as it was but I don't remember him being particularly shite at crosses in his first season with us but maybe he was?