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Posts posted by Yorkyred

  1. 50 minutes ago, wellsince75 said:

    I'd have him back - quality player who seemed to enjoy being at the club.   Depends on whether GA was the reason he left. 

    I actually thought I would be the only one, I know the vast majority won’t due to the way he left but in his case it’s simply him being him, a pretty simple dafty. Probably never going to happen, we may have a manager who would not touch him with a barge pole, but he’s got an ability we rarely manage in find in new signings and hey maybe this time he may finally learn enough is enough with the moving around.

  2. 1 hour ago, steelboy said:

    We clearly got the best 6 months of his career when he was motivated to earn a big contract. 

    Whether this actually happened or not it's definitely true.

    Bring him back, still more technical ability then just about anyone else in the squad, we can manage the madness. 

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  3. 1 hour ago, weeyin said:

    The difference between the SPFL - which is the league containing the Premiership, Championship, League One and League Two - and the Premiership, which is the top division.

    So Dundee are still playing in the SPFL.

    The confusion is because the old top division used to be the SPL which was separate from the lower leagues.

    Ah fair enough

  4. This season like last will be the old firm running away with it, Hearts an easy third, and everyone else a level of poor with anyone capable of beating anyone. With all the talk of Aberdeen, Hibs, Dundee United being stronger has anyone seen it yet ? Any team with even a touch of ability will make top six it’s going to be that bad again, little real quality.

  5. 13 hours ago, real dosser said:

    All the "dugshite" people were talking about on here lately  turned in good performances today. Slattery, Goss, Shields, Efford, Mugabi and McGinn all played their part today.

    Goodwin has spent a fortune and brought in 10 players and their usual tactic was a long ball over the top. 

    I know it's only one performance but it seems to me that the " dugshite" departed along with Alexander. It's the same players but not playing his 4-3-3 is the only difference. The ability was always there in the squad if better use was made of it.

    Will the usual suspects (you know who they are) now agree that the players are not as bad as they were making out. I want hold my breath waiting.

    We all know some supporters tend to over react at times, players are wonderful one week and the worst players in the world next week. I think in my time we are possibly on the third set of worst players in the history of Motherwell. No different to the seasonal predictions that we’re doomed, relegation certainties. To be fair it’s the same at most clubs, a lot of nonsense spouted by a small percentage who don’t have a clue.

  6. 2 hours ago, Kmac said:

    Yesterday definitely alleviated some fears but it’s quite clear that we need some quality additions (and hopefully some going out).

    5 additions needed IMO

    first choice left back 

    first choice Centre half 

    first choice striker 

    first choice winger

    squad player central midfielder 


    If we can move on ojala, Mcginley, efford and one-legged Morris that would be great thanks

    Pretty accurate for me other than not needing another midfield squad player, I would rather give youth a chance.  This is not the worst squad of players on the whole, I actually think Alexander signed better players than Robinson did in his last season. Tierney, Slattery,Goss, Kelly,Van Veen,  McGinn, O’Donnell are all of the standard needed  One or two of the others also showed what they can offer under Hammel, I don’t see any reason why they can improve over time. Add in three or four targeted additions and we will be mid table or better yet again. We won’t be down the bottom.

  7. On 8/12/2022 at 9:11 AM, Pepper said:

    Utd were well in the game until it went 2 nil. In fact they could count themselves very unlucky to see it go 2 nil IMO.

    The fact they completely imploded thereafter showed the same lack of character that has dogged most Scottish teams in Europe for decades. 

    I would say more the lack of quality outside of the old firm and it’s getting worse as has been highlighted recently.  The challenge for our new manager is no different than that of the last two, how does he attract better quality players to the club. Wrexham, a club at none league level have just signed a goalkeeper paying 6 grand a week in wages.

  8. 1 minute ago, weeyin said:

    Didn't take long to reach the stage where some posters would rather Hammell fails so they can say "I was right" than see him succeed and prove them wrong


    Of course the important thing now is regardless of peoples opinion he gets 100% support in what going to be a difficult period. I think we all realise it’s a risky appointment, but it could end up a master stroke.

  9. 1 hour ago, El Grew said:

    “The players will learn from this.”  “We will learn from this.”  “The players must learn from this.” “We will use this as a learning experience.” etc. etc. ad nauseam.

    Phrases straight from the book of football manager double-talk and drivel that are continually trotted out when teams lose.  What a load of tripe.  Players at a certain level such as ours, never learn anything and they just continue to repeat the same mistakes time after time.

    As Bill Shankly once said “Football is a terribly simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass.”

    He also said a football team is like a piano - you need 8 men to carry it and 3 who can play the damn thing.

    Well at present all we have are piano carriers. Stevie needs to try somehow to get us 3 players.  Good luck Stevie.

    My post was a reply to a comment about a potential manager with a bit of history.

  10. 32 minutes ago, El Grew said:

    Alexander wasn’t fired - he left by mutual consent.  I think it’s plain the club were surprised at this because they gave no indication they weren’t satisfied with his performance and why would they?  With a top 6 finish and qualification for European football they were probably highly chuffed.  They had only recently extended his contract, allowed him to cull the squad and bring in 3 new players.  So why would they need a plan to bring in a replacement.

    I believe Alexander “engineered” his exit from the club in an attempt to protect his own image as evidenced by his spin in the media about having preserved the club’s top league status, gotten us into the top 6 and qualified for European football.  In his mind it allowed him to leave with nothing but plusses on his CV for his next job.

    As for the appointment of Stevie Hammell - he was a fantastic player for us and a terrific servant to the club and of course I wish him well and he’ll have my support.  However I believe it’s a another gross error of judgement on the part of the board. There’s a vast difference between managing young academy players who, by and large will do as they are told and managing and trying to make something out of a squad of professionals, the vast majority of whom are bereft of the footballing ability required at the level in which they are operating.

    I wish him all the luck in the world because he is going to need it.

    These are my worries, it could go badly wrong. Let’s hope that’s not the case.

  11. 16 minutes ago, MelvinBragg said:

    I get that as fans we're not qualified to make an appointment but to say the names mentioned are underwhelming suggests there are other realistic names that appeal more. I'm not convinced by Hammell, Valakari or Healy (if that's the final three) either but I can't say that I've heard any other names that have been better...

    Does it have to be a name that everyone knows though ?

  12. 28 minutes ago, MelvinBragg said:

    I get some people being underwhelmed by the names being mentioned but can't actually think of candidates that wouldn't underwhelm some of us.  There is no perfect candidate, not one likely to apply for our job anyway. Unless there's someone I'm missing..?

    Healy and Valakari have both won trophies but are untested in our league. Hammell knows the league hut is inexperienced. Every candidate would have their own weaknesses...

    For those underwhelmed by the names put forward, who realistically did youngope we would get?

    For me not one of the same names that get bandied around time and again, we’re already seeing the negative comments towards most of them. But it’s not my, or anyones else’s job on here to make the next appointment, frankly we’re not qualified to make that decision.  The only contribution I will be making is to support whoever it is and have a bit of patience.

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  13. 10 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

    I don't know if the club is trying to appease us, the fans, with a complete change of managerial direction after GA  but I'm finding most of the names, who seem to be in the final frame, to be very risky.  Any managerial appointment carries a degree of risk of course, but some of the names mentioned would really seem to be a bit much of a gamble.   We don't know the names of the serious candidates amongst the 80 or so names who seemingly applied. For the first time in many years, I'm getting the fear about our new appointment. Maybe I'm just a risk averse kind of person. Perhaps the successful candidate will surprise us and allay our fears.

    I’m pretty much the same, at this point I’m reading nothing to get too excited about.

  14. 58 minutes ago, El Grew said:

    Well that was short but not so sweet.

    In case you missed the Pony Express, Alexander has gone and if I was Stephen O’Donnell I’d be on the lookout for another club because judging by some of the comments on this forum it’s becoming clear that some of our fans want him gone too!

    Some of the fans have wanted him gone for a long time, he took some amount of abuse even when he was playing week in week out.

  15. 12 minutes ago, star sail said:

    O’Donnell is a really strange one with our own support and also the Scotland support in general. I had a conversation with a Celtic fan during the Euros where he stated that SOD should be nowhere near the Scotland Team and that Patterson should be playing. When I asked him if he had seen Patterson play he answered no. That was a Celtic fan backing a Rangers player he had never seen play.

    Stranger still, there were Motherwell fans arguing the same thing. At a time when we should have been proud to see a Motherwell player in a Scotland shirt, we seemed determined as a support to undermine our Captain.

    Having not backed him in a Scotland shirt and having been almost vitriolic in their criticism of his performances in a Well shirt it is all the stranger that SOD being dropped from the starting 11 is now used as proof positive of Graham Alexander’s poor man management skills. 

    If SOD has suffered a crisis of confidence that has impacted his form in recent months there is a very obvious reason for it that could have nothing to do with Graham Alexander.

    The beauty of being a football fan is that we get to absolve ourselves of all responsibility, no matter how badly we behave at times, whilst pointing the finger at anybody and everybody we whimsically wish to blame instead.

    Very much so and in truth if that had been a player who had been in form and critical to our success then questions could be asked. But as you point out above that was not the reality of where we were performance wise. I’m personally not that bothered that Alexander has left, maybe it did need that change, he had his faults and the football was awful. I’m just not a fan of kicking someone when they are down.

  16. 2 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:

    Stop talking shite , out of order, a player of his status .....he was the club captain ffs it was exactly his job to speak to the players and find out their views etc, so if that's what happened it was well within his remit.

    God knows why you and others have this love in and obsession about defending Alexander and trying to convince folk he was hard done by the fans players and club, wake up and smell the coffee ffs and have a look at what state he left the club in

    Wow, ok you have your view and  I have mine. No need for a post like that between two adults so I will leave it at that. 

  17. Honestly I don’t get all the drama re O’Donnell. Just about every man and his dog stated he was awful and should not be playing in the first team, he was dropped. Suddenly that was now the wrong thing and he should have been playing week in week out because we were struggling. I though he was part of the problem. Again it’s simply a player dropped because he was not playing well enough who had a bit of a strop about it. If he called a meeting of the players behind Alexander’s back than frankly he was out of order, that’s not something a player of his status should be doing.  Storm in a teacup.

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  18. 26 minutes ago, mfc said:

    That's both hammell and odonnell said that bringing in players is more important than a manager,as fans we all know we need some better players brought in but I just found it strange that both have came away with that statement,it sounds like it's both saying what we have isn't good enough rather than that were short of bodies.

    Personally I think a new manager comes first, it’s shown time and time again that the right man can make a huge difference with the same group of players.

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