Stuwell2
-
Posts
537 -
Joined
-
Last visited
-
Days Won
4
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Events
Posts posted by Stuwell2
-
-
Initially there were two potential investors/partners the Australian one - which had a football background but would have wanted total control - has either withdrawn or was rejected as not being the type of model thought to got with our clubs ethos. Leaving us with the one with limited football acumen but a very good business/media acumen which leads me to believe there is something about our club that they feel they can work with to get value from for the good of both parties (was going to say exploit but that would have gotten certain folk excited) without requiring full control.
All will become clear shortly but I feel that it’s good that after being here last week (and possibly is still here discussing things) we haven’t heard that they have walked away or things are not good. -
17 minutes ago, steelboy said:
What are the other clubs spending compared to us?
Last week you posted on the thread that our wage budget was £1.5m a year which is miles out. If you don't know what the Motherwell budget is how do you know what the other clubs are spending?
You did point out my understanding of the players wage bill was wrong last week - which I accept but my figure was from memory of what I’d read possibly on here - best figure I’ve found since is £2.3m.
As for what other clubs are spending if we ignore Celtic, Rangers, Hearts, Aberdeen and Hibs who all appear to be well above us, then I’m talking about the other premiership teams and Dundee Utd - apart from Livingston.
In 2023 Kilmarnock and StJ appear to have wages of just above £2m, StM £1.7m, RC £1.5m and Livingston £1.3m. I couldn’t see the Dundee clubs on my quick search but given they have backers I’m guessing (forgive my guessing and correct me if you know them), Utd will be spending as much if not more than us and Dundee will be slightly behind us. Given that these are the teams we will be competing against next season and they all have backers who - choosing my words carefully here - potentially can add money out-with turnover to the budget which would make keeping our position sustainable.Hopefully that clears up what I thought was a simply statement.
If you know better since you appear to disagree with my statement please let me have your figures / forecast of spending over the next few years and explain why you disagree.
-
On 4/13/2024 at 12:27 PM, steelboy said:
I disagree.
I think our turnover, playing budget, stadium investment and net profit during fan ownership have been impressive.
Agree that what’s been done is impressive but I have concerns - and I believe that most would agree - that we are not sustainable at the current level with what other clubs are spending and what we will need to spend on more ground improvement over the next few years.
This is why I’m happy to look at any proposals and options before deciding. Although it would have be be an outstanding proposal with cast iron guarantees before I’d be willing to give up the society’s majority shareholdings.
As for David’s post above I don’t agree that we are being drip fed info via the media designed to get us to give up control. As for the WS will need to give up control narrative, again I disagree as the clubs not a loss making enterprise - our profit/losses over the last 7 years pretty much even out but future ground improvement’s are needed and will put us into loss more over the next 5-10 years no matter player sales - and although could survive without investment all be it probably in a poorer fashion.
The question is how is he going to get a return on his investment? The options I can see are either through a % of player transfer fees, some sort of media involvement or a combination of both. These don’t require total control of the club but more a clear contract which states where and on what his investment can be spent, what % of transfer fees he gets (if this is even on his agenda) and what is expected from the club and society. -
6 minutes ago, TheoBair14 said:
Ross County in split will be tough game there currently winning 3-1 Vs Rangers
Saying that same Ross County we beat 5-0
Going to make things tighter for 11th
-
Probably a load of crap but I’m sure I heard someone at the game yesterday saying Slattery was leaving but didn’t hear where he was going.
-
Sorry but if we’re being honest I’d say the Collum fucked up by not sending Spittal off.
Wasn’t just a wee push and then gets involved with others merited a red card I thought - I’m surprised Ross didn’t get involved.
I had a good view of the incident and if it was the other way round I’d have been raging at a yellow. -
I think that most on here would agree that if it was all down to finances then year in year out the top six would be Rangers, Celtic, Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen and A.N.Other between us, STM, STJ and Killie (and DUTD when they get back up).
I don’t think us making top six is punching above our weight but at the moment outwith the old scum and Hearts it is down to manager/squad and a slice of luck which teams make it, unfortunately this season we fell short. -
7 hours ago, santheman said:
Only another few weeks before we know the facts and figures of his offer so it'll give us something to talk about over the close season
With some of the posts on here over the last few days, this thought gives me the fear.
-
1
-
-
I’d argue that any investor who doesn’t invest in his target customers will lose them and his investment.
-
Did Les get his money back? From memory there was an initiative where he matched fans cash with his up to the £1m he had put in initially. Was a bit of a gimmick to encourage fan to join the society.
From my point of view having the community trust means we engage with our potential support which in the long term brings in income through youngsters asking to be taken to games and local businesses giving something so they are seen to be helping the community. Also I think that the CT gets grants from the governments and other agencies as long as they can invest a % which is where the WS helps out when there is a shortfall.
Folk might see this as wasted cash but I think the indirect return to the club is probably more than what the WS pays to the CT. -
I find it quite puzzling that folk talk about the WS (as main shareholders)needing to stop putting money into the club at the same time extolling the virtues of Bowie, Budges, Gilmour and other investors at other clubs.
I’m sure that if a rich Well fan was willing to do to same - or Boyle had been able to find a buyer willing to do that - then the WS would keep the cash it raises through membership or wouldn’t even exist.
Unfortunately or possibly fortunately this hasn’t happened so the WS, as owner of the club, has a responsibility to keep the club going and put money into things deemed by the club board as important to the clubs future. I’m sure the the WS board look at every request and the case put to them by the club board before handing over any cash. -
24 minutes ago, Motherwellfc1991 said:
Thanks for info on the various board members.
Is it just me or is there potentially quite a bit of conflict of interest with two board members being on the exec board and the well society board.
My understanding of it is that the WS board elect two members to be on the exec board to protect the interests of the WS so there will always be two members who are on both boards.
Understand your concerns regarding potential conflicts of interests if they are also private shareholders but as the society needs to put any proposal to the members and they will have the final say then if - and it’s a big if (more like bullshit) - that they are out to line their own pockets, then no matter how it was dressed up, I’d hope that there are enough society members smart enough to tell them to GTF.
Edit: I’d also point out that these people are only two of the society’s board and for anyone to believe that some sort of a shady deal is being done and will be presented to members by the board as a good deal and asked to accept it, then there would have to be more that those two in on it which I personally believe is, like the rest of this theory, a crock o shit.
-
The Society board has a responsibility to the Society members which will involve them doing due diligence on both the final agreement submitted to them and the person involved. After that they will draft a statement to be distributed to the members after it has been cleared by lawyers.
Once this has been done and distributed it will be up to the society members to vote on acceptance or rejection by a simple majority.Im not sure if there is a time limit on between becoming a member and being given the right to vote but I’d advise anyone wishing to vote on this who isn’t already a member to join the society now or forever haud yer wheesht .
To often smart arses on here and other places seem happy to stir up shite when if they were serious a quick search would have given them the correct answer rather than them posting crap on here.
Im not having a go at anyone who genuinely asks questions but those who ask loaded questions to stir up trouble because after winning this weekend they can’t post their usual shite about the manager/team.
Rant over and I feel better.
-
2
-
-
I’d like to keep both McGinn (1year deal) and SOD (1or2year deal). Both have something to give but being 33 and 31 respectively there probably isn’t room for both of them unless their wage demands reflect their age leaving us enough to pay a younger guy who can play there and develop with their help until - hopefully - our academy player is able to step up.
At their age I’d suspect both of them will be able to get one more decent contract either in the Scottish premiership or championship so both could be off and I’d say thanks for their time here and best luck to them.-
1
-
-
21 minutes ago, wellgirl said:
I get your point but given that he hadn't played football in a couple of months and wasn't in condition it was probably unlikely that he would replicate the form he had with us.
In his position would you have been happy with “probably unlikely” to help StM overtake you and kept the cash or spent it to be sure?
-
3 hours ago, David said:
Not so sure that's anything to do with the SPFL. I'm sure we're contracted to wear the various kits we have a certain number of times per season, no?
Not sure if he was serious 🧐
-
Wellgirl & bobbybingo, what I’m saying is that at the window Bowie couldn’t know which KVV would return - the goal machine from last season if he got himself sorted or the no confidence one from this season - so decided to hedge his bets and not take the chance that StM got a goal machine. That’s why I’m saying it’s potentially money well spent.
As a side note, while checking the league to see how many wins Killie still need to secure 4th, I’ve just worked out that if they get beaten in every game from now to the end of the season, StM only win against Killie but also lose the rest and we win every game out-with the OF then we make 4th - how much of a shock would that be
-
27 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:
Same for Stewart. If Bowie's January splurge was designed to prove who has the biggest dick, it's clearly Kilmarnock. Another mob who are gonnae have to put a new pitch in front of new players shortly.
I view it differently, signing KVV stopped StM getting him and if he’d hit form for StM then 4th place would have been lost to Killie.
Further to that Killie getting 4th and making Europe will just about cover the cost of a new pitch so paying KVV circa £100K could be money well spent. -
Initial thoughts on the game are we were terrible in the first half - unsure if that was because of the state of the half of the park we were shooting towards, piss poor play, over cautious tactics or a combination of all of the above.
Second half passing and tactics to go forward improved and we looked better but WTF was Kelly doing at the second goal?
I thought our penalty was never a penalty and that VAR/referee bottled not giving it but will reserve judgment until I see it again.
After that the rest of the game was manic and we could have scored another 1 or 2 goals.
Delighted with the result.
-
Nobody even trying to header that
Also, passing as bad as last week - and that’s me allowing for the pitch.
-
If the game is postponed that will be their 5th home game and given that they only play 19 league games at home that’s 25% so far and that could still rise.
It appears to me that they priorities wages for players over making the park up to standard and as such should be punished either financially, point reduction or both. -
Obviously we need to wait and see what the offer is and how it is structured but what do folk seriously think would be an acceptable level of investment for a minority control of the club?
I don’t know but the £300K per year mentioned earlier is less than 10% of our current turnover but if the £1.5M figure I seem to remember as our players wage bill is correct and the money all went to this then that’s a 20% increase.You could equate that to one extra player on just under £6K per week, two extra players on £3K or three extra players on £2K per week. Would bringing in one, two or three players who would accept these wages really change things or guarantee our top flight survival long term? I don’t think so. In which case what would be the point or worth of accepting such an offer?
-
Piss poor passing, piss poor marking, overall a piss poor game
-
I don’t like the time it takes to make a decision but if they have to review 3 or 4 cameras then recheck to confirm things to avoid mistakes then - no matter how pissed off I feel I can accept that - BUT to take so long and then make the wrong decision is incompetence and that should get them removed from the job.
The thing is tv footage can be reviewed anywhere so why not have foreign retired refs (who have no affiliation to the incompetent clique we have or Scottish clubs) do the review’s. Mistakes will probably still be made but we would know that they were honest mistakes.
Aberdeen v Motherwell 27/04/2024
in Club Chat
Posted
Just seen this quote from Richard Foster on the BBC website talking about us missing out on the top six and thought the bit about Aberdeen could come back to bite him on the arse next week.
"When you're having to rely on other teams to do you a favour, it's never great. Especially when we were having to rely on Aberdeen to win at home. It's never going to help us.“