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1 hour ago, weeyin said:
Why? He's still right.
Is , he? Or is it just his opinion that you agree with?
either way, youre a punter , you can do as you please
he's a club employee, he should be more controlled.
The absolute clusterfuck that was the end to last season was largely due to club employees mouthing off instead of the business being managed , if Motherwells stance is punishment and forfeits then there are only two people I’d expect to hear that from and even then i would hope it was only shared after ‘having engaged with the governing bodies’
id be shocked if , it is, as it would be a complete lottery of when a club is impacted and what points would then be gifted to potentially direct rivals for position, but then Scottish football does surprise quite often
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Possibly, I just thought even an injured player, could be interacting, with staff, e.g Physio, covid testing staff, and to a lesser risk the likes of dining staff,
hopefully a quick recovery and no lasting effects on whoever it is
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Our turn:
One player tested positive, (on Tuesday & again on Wednesday retest)
no contacts identified by procedure *
rest of squad now being retested (Friday)
* I fail to see how this is possible, unless , the procedure simply doesn’t include contact at training
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17 minutes ago, steelboy said:
It was 14 days for Ryan Christie and it will be 14 days for every player St Mirren claim had to self isolate.
I read it that Christie and Tierney were caught under the 14 day requirement, as they weren’t exposed within their own clubs controlled
if every player now requires 14 days , even less reason to be ‘at it’
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58 minutes ago, ropy said:
If they are isolating, their game next week will be off too.
not if , follow up testing (and the shortened isolation periods allowed by the elite sports protocols due to test frequency ) declares enough players available.
It’s pretty concerning at the significant lack of understanding displayed by so many individuals in this and on other some social media threads
im not sure if it’s just because of the football competition that folk are losing general common sense or if as some have mentioned it’s just confusing and perhaps people are clutching at anything to justify behaviours (of others and themselves)
it’s like the new football handball rules , they are ridiculous because associations are trying to put absolute definitions to fluid events.
close contact does have some definitions documented out there that refer to distance and time, but those are nearly always related to tracing more general contacts in public,
if you just spend a moment thinking about it (and read the documented most likely forms of transmission)
momentary face to face conversations are one of the highest risks (hence shields and masks for public interactions at points like tills) then touch contact and it goes on from there , the notion that the virus waits 15 minutes to transfer is not even notionally realistic, but in terms of tracing the tracers will question about direct close contacts and then for the less traceable interactions they have to call on the definitions that some above have quoted.
Footballers by the very nature of the job , are at high risk if a team mate or opposition player or even the official have the virus
Too many are absolutely convinced the opposition are ‘at it’ and some are then creating scenarios to try and justify it
I've no idea if St.Mirren or Killie were at it, I cannot see the real benefit to exaggerating a very serious scenario that could shut their business down. If they have breached any rules I’d hope they are held to account
but if st Mirren had a player reporting covid-19 positive on Friday or Saturday, I’m glad they isolated anyone that had been in close contact, to prevent spread to our club , and hope those infected recover, and equally there isn’t any other cases
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18 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:
I know mate its a nightmare, but as of yesterday there was no issue at St Mirren, so even if 1 player, phones in sick this morning, or even worse turns up with symptoms, unless the whole squad stay with him, it should just be 1 player, maybe 2 if he gave somebody a lift.
But in either scenario protocols were not followed so sanctions are required.
This is just pure utter pish
you are torturing yourself (and us) with a complete lack of appreciation or deliberate denial of what contact is and the risk of transmission
there is no way a positive case in a first team at a pro football club means only one player misses that days work, or the next day, , all who were in contact with them in the work place, will miss work until their retesting clears them for work.
anything less is putting all , the other teams players at risk as well
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32 minutes ago, steelboy said:
The point is that one positive test shouldn't take out five players. If they had been properly distancing this wouldn't have happened. There has been no collateral damage when players have tested positive down south.
25 minutes ago, mfc88 said:Exactly.
If 3 positive cases is enough to require umpteen players go into isolation then the protocols in place at st mirren to prevent the spread of the virus and protect their staff are not sufficient, and they should be held accountable for that.
No point in discussing with lunatics, if you don’t believe ‘others’ have to isolate after a positive test result , you’re clearly a pair of moon howlers
The players at any club aren’t operating as individuals, they have to interact as groups , the protocols can reduce risk of transmission, but even in highly controlled environments there is still transmission.
and at very least the group they were operating in has to isolate
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All the hatred and screaming for points comes from a total distrust and literally made up scenarios, with no evidence and not even indicative sources.
St.Mirren have another outbreak, no surprise further testing reported other positive results
IF they then isolated additional players that had been in contact , I thank them for not putting our squad at unnecessary risk, and doing what every expert and fair minded person would want.
calling for forfeits or repercussions is madness during a pandemic, what if it’s our team next ?
Sure as it’s looking it’ll impact us with fixture backlog, I cannot imagine, that will not be the same for majority of clubs. Certainly st.Mirren aren’t going to be better off in that sense.
the best I could hope for is the clubs agreeing to the number of fixtures being reduced, to allow the time to have them played, along with cups, international, European games etc
22 league games seems possible, play each other home and away, maybe even with the split fixtures thereafter.
chasing the full league calendar from the outset was madness imho, but hey, it’s the club’s that decide, no point howling about the league
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8 minutes ago, dennyc said:
Fine. When are we adopting that? Because we haven't yet. UEFA have for their tournaments. At least then it would be clear.
When have the league not applied it?
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12 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:
Because the rules state if you have 13 fit players you need to fulfill the fixture, does not specify 1st team, reserves etc just players, the match against us should have been played.
They will play against Livi with a makeshift team as Alex Dyer stated today, so why were they allowed to call off the game last week?
There is something well dodgy about all those players testing positive, but as expected the alleged SPFL investigation has still to report, I won't be holding my breath.
Full blown Batshit crazy
they had NO players to play against us, None , zero, nada , ziltch
In the cup they only effectively had apprentices/ trainees youths, so like any responsible business and within the predetermined rules, they declared they couldn’t participate in that fixture
Now for the next cup game, they’ll have six senior players, and are hoping to put a team out,
for the livvy game , they feel it might be too much for the recovering senior players and kids, so requested a postponement, any other year a team would’ve been granted that, this year the league are doing what they can to keep the possibility of fixture completion alive, so told them to jam it!
Ps the rules exist and are being applied consistently, where there’s no external influence
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1 hour ago, Spiderpig said:
According to stv news tonight, Livi knocked them back when they asked to postpone the game, they have 13 fit players according to Alex Dyer so they will be playing.
I am sure they had 13 fit players the other week as well but never played us so they are at it if you ask me.
Their entire first team squad was instructed to isolate...
how do you get to them being at it?
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On 10/7/2020 at 10:49 AM, steelboy said:
Why do you think things are so different in Scotland than in France, Germany, England or Holland?
The Scottish Government have already shown with that they believe football fans are second class citizens with their OBFA.
On 10/7/2020 at 11:43 AM, DunnyMFC said:The Netherlands have postponed matches and in some regions fans are banned since there is a risk of another lockdown. They did ban shouting and chanting.
On 10/7/2020 at 11:59 AM, Winning by Name said:I live in France and what you say is wrong. Things are exactly the same here for normal people as in Scotland. So much for Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite.
On 10/7/2020 at 12:53 PM, Ya Bezzer! said:UK has 42,445 total deaths and 14,542 new cases yesterday from a population of 67 million.
Germany has 9,635 total deaths and 2,462 new cases yesterday from a population of 84 million.
Yes, it's different in different countries.
On 10/7/2020 at 3:44 PM, steelboy said:The SFA and SPFL should be in contact with European leagues to get data about their experiences with distanced crowds.
Sturgeon definitely isn't providing much information unless you are just looking for empty platitudes every day. The Scottish Government have decided give care home providers anonymity and are delaying releasing the report into Covid in care homes which should have been published last week. That's just one example. Today she also said that despite distancing, masks etc we are somehow only three weeks away from the levels of March. Two months ago she was talking about zero Covid.
On 10/7/2020 at 4:52 PM, DunnyMFC said:Well the Dutch leagues are going to go back to not having crowds. Could follow their protocol where only a small amount of fans allowed in the stadiums but they have to stay quiet otherwise they can be faced with a 3 month ban.
And today Angela Merkel has been meeting with German mayors, “One can consider whether to again allow fewer people into football matches or none at all.”
the clubs have been operating with fans in a testing period and despite it not yet been finished, already the transmission rates (not proven yet to be specific to football fans) are too large in most areas
the next 3 games in Munich will be with no fans
Steelboy, is that the full set of countries you advised the SFA and SPFL to be sourcing information from , now shutting down crowd experiments,
‘Sturgeon’ really needs to be made aware
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57 minutes ago, Spit_It_Out said:
I don't get it folk are allowed to go on public transport trains and buses at a say social distance but fans of seated sports can't do the same?
You might have read or seen the briefings that point out , there is an element of risk in every interaction , more so in public with people from different groups/families/areas that would allow the illness to spread.
so the government has to choose which activities to open up, as simply opening everything would mean too much risk of it spreading quickly and overwhelming society,
so put yourself in a position where you have to choose which you can allow to operate :
public transport and all that it offers to allow society to function, ie workers including nurses etc getting to work and public getting out albeit in a limited sense
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football with a few hundred fans in each side of the pitch
QuoteAre they telling us that 500-1000 fans at grounds like Fir Park couldn't happen safely and a safe number at 60,000 plus Celtic park?
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Not really, telling you it couldn’t happen safely, as every group event carries risk, even small family gatherings, more they are telling you , that until this is under control, then choices have to be made,
the choices to date have been work, education, hospitality, very limited entertainment in small groups
hundreds if not more things still haven’t been restarted with crowds, not just football,
rugby, theatre, concerts, horse racing, darts, athletics, public events like gala days , fetes, etc all sidelined, some not able to operate at all, unlike football that has been given special exemption, but at some costs to put in measures , to operate
the test events last month will hopefully show, that a number of fans can gather, but now when there’s exponential growth in cases being reported it would be irresponsible to open up more gatherings with that risk
no matter how much we all want to see a game
(p.s I’m not sure that many would enjoy it quite as much as their enthusiasm to return would indicate, in the sterile silent manner that will be required short term)
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Communications specialist Mr Wilson
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2 hours ago, GazzyB said:
Campbell could leave, we could sign nobody, and we still wouldn't get relegated.
League Reconstruction
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11 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:
Hold the bus it seems sanctions including forfeiting the game are a possibility according to SPFL.
QuoteAs it stands, the SPFL board does not have that power
I’d be chipping into the Kilmarnock legal fund , if he tries to apply new punishment to them that wasn’t applied to Celtic or Aberdeen
Besides he’s been on a self important rant today, saying nothing to gain public support to move forward
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2 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:
Yes, the problem here is inconsistency between different Health Boards and there's plenty evidence of this at the moment. Kilmarnock did what they had to do.
Sorry Dave but what evidence of inconsistencies ?
St.Mirren outbreak, was what, one working/training group (within government operating protocol) , 3 players, all from the same working group/bubble , two maybe three households at most isolated and contained spread.
Kilmarnock outbreak, details still vague, 6 positive cases , it appears it’s to have spread further into the squad from initial 3 , so now into different groups/ bubbles , at least double the households and still not confident it’s contained , squad advised to isolate
Aberdeen Eight , squad riddled with it, squad advised to isolate
seems fairy consistent risk based approach in the advice ,Too many frustrated punters crying out for something or someone to blame,
as COF pointed out , rules and regulations as they stand are being applied, and consistently...
it confuses me that , when it comes to football people try and twist any snippet of a potential grievance to escalate to some sort of shitstorm
The league is the clubs the association again are the clubs, the clubs realise , a pandemic is all around us and individuals are going to get infected
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Jermaine Hylton announced as Ross County player
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16 hours ago, fizoxy said:
I always liked ramsden, and more so after this. Some great stories and insights. Motherwell stuff starts around 1:25
Fascinating wee insights into the fine balance of an individual and team and the role of chance that can lead to success or failure
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11 minutes ago, ropy said:
£12.50
Was that for their previous game v Dundee Utd so expect it’ll be the same , unless clubs do some sort of mutual deal
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52 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said:
Do Killie offer games on ppv?
Seem to...
https://ppv.kilmarnockfc.co.uk/events
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7 hours ago, milo said:
The authorities are going to have to come up with a creative solution to get even small numbers of socially distanced fans back into the stadiums before some clubs are forced to shut their gates, possibly forever, and see institutions of over a hundred years and providers of countless jobs and the eco system they support lost forever ...
As an aside, don’t know about anybody else, but I’ve lost all enthusiasm for football until fans can get back in. I can still get annoyed at our performances and results right enough!
not sure what you mean by authorities, but your dig at government would indicate you include them, I’d argue it’s the football businesses, and the associations that have to be coming up with the solution, there’s no doubt a few hundred in lower league and junior grounds could be accommodated, that might help save some operations, but it’s football that needs to plan/ act not the government, who can only then review proposals,totally agree that enthusiasm is dwindling,
15 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:Football is being singled out. Very inconsistent approach.
No it isn’t, Is it?
from your (and most football fans perspective it might seem like it) but it’s simply not the case.What other spectator sports are operating events with crowds?
rugby?
horse racing?
motor racing?
pro golf?
athletics ? , swimming? Cycling? Marathons? Pro-Darts?
moving away from sport what other events with crowds are operating?
Concerts? Wedding? Funeral? Gala days? Religious gatherings? Clubbing? Festivals?
im not aware of any quantity of event types with crowds that could suggest that football is being singled out. I’ve see attempts at comedy gigs with around 20 people or ‘drive in’ events that look shite
I believe there is opportunity, for 2-300 , increasing to maybe 500, and maybe more, IF transmission rates drop again , and IF clubs , leagues, associations , each as groups and individual businesses put together detailed risk assessment and mitigation plans and detailed proposals of operating practices, but from what I can see , football isn’t doing any of that, seems quite happy to hide behind blame being pointed at government guidance,
and for the top clubs , hundreds of fans , just doesn’t seem to interest them .
shame as they really need to be putting long term plans together to deal with this pandemic, everything so far was panic firefighting
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49 minutes ago, CoF said:
In the last 5 years they've beaten Inter Milan (twice), Olympiacos, Celtic and drawn with Southampton (twice), Steau Bucharest and Dinamo Zagreb.
A win would be our best ever European result. It's a huge ask but I canny wait.
And we humiliated the most successful club in the world ... twice
bring it on!
*some of the above is unsubstantiated
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11 minutes ago, Kmac said:
Now the question. Can we hold on to a 2-0 lead away from home?
No...
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Season 2020’21: Game 10: Ross County (H)
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Again , spidering , on the information available you have just made all of that up based on your opinion,
non- controversial opinion - ? See my response, you agreeing with it doesn’t make it non- controversial
his point was correct- ? Your opinion , shame his bosses are having to deal with his comments
SPFL have forgotten rules - ? Keep shouting it , as it’s only remotely believable if all the other made up scenarios are proven, and I’d back any breach
hopefully game goes ahead , other clubs have taken advantage- ? So you say
edit - this is the one that amazes me, who took advantage, St.Mirren? The club due to play us , but had a concerning positive result and isolated players to protect public and our entire club? Yeah that St.Mirren who you and others shout foul play at , but only a few days later have another 4 positive cases ? Imagine they hadn’t took those preventative measures,
his comments start debate , SPFL - they had already instigated need to take control