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1 hour ago, Onthefringes said:
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2 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:
Shares have changed hands for about £10 each in recent years. I think the club sets the price.
Were 5 times that amount at last offering
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1 hour ago, joewarkfanclub said:
Good point.
I dont know.
I kinda put that post up whilst thinking out loud.
On reflection a share issue diluting the WS to 51% probably makes more sense as KMcAlpin says.
Obviously wouldnt be sufficient going forward but would maybe buy the Society sufficient time to put forward and implement their own proposals whilst at the same time looking at other offers?
Unfortunately time or the timeline of investment interest doesn’t stack up for many. I’d say co opted board members Dickie & Feeley are complicit in this.
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10 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said:
Im already as WS Member. But I would certainly consider buying private shares from the Society to raise revenue.
Not sure what 19% would.raise, but they would retain controlling interest whilst raising cash.
Although, that would go into the Society. So maybe a share issue to dilute to 51% would be better?
Sorry to take this point in isolation amongst others - how much was raised the last time the idea was put into practice not so long ago?
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13 minutes ago, santheman said:
It would be interesting to hear from someone inside the club as to what they think is happening here.
Are our training sessions too physical, not enough recovery time between games, pushing players carrying knocks too hard too soon or just plain bad luck.
I'd like to think that we're sophisticated enough that we wouldn't risk players carrying knocks.
I know that Kettlewell has had them in the day after games (particularly after a poor performance) so perhaps that's a factor.
Maybe our guys are so competitive that they boot f**k out of each other in bounce games.
Do we need to look at warm up routines, again that should be a given if we're a professional outfit.
Maybe it's all down to bad luck or a combination of everything.
We did. Manager offered his opinion upon questioning at AGM on the subject.
Club recognise the issue & programmes are tailored to suit, fitness, preparation, matchday & recovery as advised by their medical team. It’s just unfortunate given most are non impact injury.
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4 hours ago, Clackscat said:
Thought he was impressive at AGM tonight, personable and came across as open and honest, even if he uses 3 words when 1 will do!! , and I can see why players and staff are behind him
I concur.
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4 hours ago, grizzlyg said:
Would leave us short though if we then brought a new manager in. I still have faith in SK though, still learning the ropes and making mistakes but all managers do
Absorbing any cost doesn’t necessarily leave us short though and is a world away from ‘can’t afford’.
He has my backing also.
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51 minutes ago, wellfan said:
Any inside scoops?
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36 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:
Yup this was news to me also about SK contract until my mate told me. That might explain why he never got sacked in December as we can't afford to
It doesn’t. If it was in the thinking, club would’ve absorbed the cost.
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Surprised at Paton & Spittal inclusion of some. General consensus and of those around us at the match was poor for the most part.
Busy at doing very little. Hooking Davor to keep Paton on just compounded the problem.
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17 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:
Sorry was it not cryptic enough for you, it’s freely available on a Web search so it's probably shite but then again most things are online.
Ooh, get you.
You’ve answered why I said Er, no…
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20 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:
Here's all the info you need
https://salarysport.com/football/eredivisie/fc-groningen/
For comparison here's the Motherwell list
https://salarysport.com/football/scottish-premiership/motherwell/
Er, no…
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1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said:
He's on about £10k per week at Groningen. Killie, or more likely Bill Bowie are paying about £6k of that weekly plus add ons. That's what I've heard anyway.
Information in the Netherlands very different on weekly salary. Chief Executive of NEC discussed freely when meeting some of the recent travelling party.
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6 hours ago, Dossertillidie2 said:
I wouldn’t post guesswork . What would be the point
Ladies and gentlemen… it’s Steven Hammell
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41 minutes ago, robsterwood said:
That means we could have got van veen for 75k. Why did we not push for that?
No. £75,000 wouldn’t cover the upfront loan fee demanded…
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9 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:
Unfortunately in modern football exorbitant wage demands are the norm and at a level we cant compete in so the clubs unwillingness to pay them is irrelevant.
As for the current custodians of our club I've no doubt they are all successful business people in their own fields but not at running a football club, these are the people who signed off on players like Obika, Souare, Shaw, Wilkinson etc⁸ costing the club decent money no doubt on wages etc for nothing in return. we're now on our 3rd manager since Robinson left, we can't seem to appoint a CEO to replace Burrows, our recruitment strategy is a shambles and year on year its getting worse, its a constant downward spiral.
I hope the recent moves to attract additional investment are successful as that may be the catalyst needed to get the club back on track to building a stable team, instead of the summer and winter clearouts we seem to now be getting.
Throughout the footballing world there won’t be many who have solely become proficient having set out to run a football club.
‘these are the people’ never signed off on any player - they provided a football department a budget to work with.
Burrows was a one off & someone who shielded those making decisions behind the scenes. Expect those who repeat the failure to appoint will be the same when the next in the role doesn’t have the social media presence of those before them.
Summer and winter clearouts are de rigueur in Scottish football. Would be great to change that cycle, I’m not seeing it happen anytime soon.
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4 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:
I take your point the figures at best are conjecture but the fact remains the Well Society are sitting with £650,000 in the bank and the club have stated they have money in the bank. These are statements of fact. So to say we are skint isn't true. We, I'm sure , will not be awash with cash but we are not penniless.
Whatever KVV is costing to say we couldn't afford it for 25 weeks until seasons end I think is untrue, unless of course what we have been told about the Well Society and the club having money in the bank is pish. To my mind we made a judgement call and for my mind rightly said we wouldn't pay it.
However we will see once the next lot of club accounts are published.
Didn’t mean to take your post in isolation.
I alluded to being skint and not willing to sweat assets in another post.
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7 minutes ago, David said:
Harking back to my post about data analytics in November, I honestly still believe that a club our size has to box clever, otherwise we will come undone at some point. And that point could very well be now.
We cannot continue the process of throwing shite against the wall every summer and winter and hoping some of it sticks. That's not sustainable.
I said in November that I didn't know if the club were already using data analytics to its advantage, but quite honestly, I've seen very little evidence of this being the case. We could be way better in this area. And we don't need to spend a fortune to get there.
As I said back then, if we put the initial framework in place ahead of a summer window, we'd save a lot on the money we seem to spend during the January window.
You do realise the use of data analytics has been around the club for a few years? It’s nothing new. How they are applied is what’s up for debate.
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2 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:
Let's get some context on this ffs, I have no doubt that there were lots of strikers available none of which were experienced, prolific regular starters as they are not available in a January window and especially not for the money we can offer. I'm sure SK tried but the harsh reality is we're not an attractive proposition for some players especially financially.
So the players we brought in are what we can afford people need to realise as a club we are feckin skint. The usual suspects are slagging off Vale without seeing him play, they probably did the same for Higdon, and KVV so let's wait and see how it turns out.
Our defence is just about the worst in the league so we sign defenders and people are still not happy ffs.
As I've said before and no apologies for repeating myself the whole club set up / governance needs reformed the well meaning amateurs we currently have need to go as the club needs to get back on track and stabilise.
World of a difference being skint and not willing to pay exorbitant demands.
As for your closing statement - often repeated yet, nothing constructive offered. A lack of understanding prevails also. Plenty of business acumen amongst these well meaning amateurs you speak of. Back on track to where? Club accounts clearly show the club as being stable. Financial climate has changed immeasurably and the well meaning amateurs have recognised that & fielding opportunities for investment latest interest earlier this week for example.
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2 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:
Being Devils advocate , to say we couldnt afford his wages is patently untrue. The Well society are sitting on £650,000 that the club could have drawn down on. They shouldn't have needed to as the club have said they have money in the Bank. KVV would have been secured for around £150,000 but we chose not to go there. Folk can agree or disagree whether we should or shouldn't have.
If the club had to pay £150,000 fine tomorrow or be closed down could they get £150,000 ? Of course they could. So I don't buy the "we couldn't afford it" line.
The back of a fag packet mathematics need to stop.
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14 minutes ago, mfc said:
My thoughts are the same,we went as high as we could for van veen and it wasn't enough.i did say yesterday morning I hope we weren't putting all our eggs in one basket in terms of bringing him back and it looks like that's what we did,which is disappointing.
Interesting take. Miles from the truth right enough
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1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said:
Stevie Frail has just clarified that Monty is still on loan with us. Situation seems odd. Are we still contributing to his wages? Unless recovery time is overestimated, how much more game time will he get with us?
Celtic have waived contributions is the scoop.
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2 hours ago, wellgirl said:
It's common knowledge that Kelly is our highest paid player and that we offered him very decent wages to get him back
It’s oft been said, with no basis in fact. Hardly common knowledge, it’s conjecture. He may well have been offered very decent wages, most are. How many disclose these details? Nil.
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2 minutes ago, wellgirl said:
He's on four fucking grand a week. Aye it can sorry.
😂 You know this how?
New Investment Options
in Club Chat
Posted
A nothing statement on nothing confirmed.
Its arguable McMahon is determined to make it look like his wee video worked wonders rather than putting the club first.