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Pinning this until the end of March, so shouldn't be too hard to find.
This is your chance to make sure that the Society has your up to date details.
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With some people saying they don't recieve the newletter and others saying they didn't get the option to vote, I thought I'd post this snippet from the latest email
Updating your contact details
We have listened to what you told us around how we communicate. A new, dedicated workstream has been set up involving Well Society board members and member contributors. The team are working to develop a new approach to how we keep you updated and engaged on the work of the Society and - importantly - how we give you more opportunities to ask questions and have your say.
A key part of our work is ensuring we have the latest contact information for you, our members, and that we know what type of contact works best for you. Please help us by sharing your details and preferences using this form between now and the end of March.-
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40 minutes ago, texanwellfan said:
Wouldn’t ??
Apologies... Would, that's what I get for talking and typing at the same time, then not checking
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I am keeping an open mind, I just would rather see the WS maintain control, unless the offer is too good to refuse. I did say, I would change my mind if I thought the proposal was good.
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5 hours ago, steelboy said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakrie_Group
This is the conglomerate who own Brisbane Roar.
From their Wikipedia Page
Football club[edit]
Brisbane Roar (2012-present)[edit]
Bakrie Group, through PT. Pelita Jaya Cronus acquired A-League title-holders Brisbane Roar FC in 2011. Bakrie Group initially purchased 70% of the club shares, but in 2012 the Football Federation Australia (FFA) announced that the Bakrie Group has acquired 100% ownership of A-League club Brisbane Roar FC.[35] In May 2016, Brisbane Roar faced an administrative and financial turbulences when the team ownership held investment in the club, resulting in Brisbane Roar failure to pay staff and players.[36]
C.S. Visé (2011-2014)[edit]
C.S. Visé, a second division league Belgium football club was acquired by Bakrie Group in 2011,[37] during Bakrie's ownership Indonesian youth players like Syamsir Alam, Manahati Lestusen and Alfin Tuasalamony were called to play for the club.[38] C.S Vise was eventually sold by Bakrie Group in 2014.[39]
https://asiatimes.com/2021/06/indonesia-tycoons-name-is-mud-over-unpaid-disaster-dues/
JAKARTA – Fifteen years since a flood of toxic mud and gas spewing out of a breached natural gas well cut road links and forced the mass evacuation of East Java villagers, firms controlled by coal tycoon Aburizal Bakrie have still to pay at least US$100 million in compensation for causing the disaster.
Although the flow from the world’s largest mud volcano has been contained by levees since late 2008 – and is now expelling only a fraction of the 120,000 cubic meters a day it was at its height – experts expect the after-effects will continue to be a problem for the next 30 years.
They warn that because the levees are only made of compacted earth, there is still a real danger of heavy monsoonal rain or increased seismic activity triggering a catastrophic collapse, unleashing an avalanche of mud across an even wider area.
“It is mind-boggling to me that the mud is still flowing,” says one source who was involved in the project at the time of the eruption. “There was a lot of evidence in the seismic of a sub-surface feature, but we thought we were drilling a reef, not a volcano.”
Mud volcanoes are not volcanoes in the accepted sense because they don’t produce magma. They are normally formed when hot water from deep beneath the surface mixes with subterranean mineral deposits and is forced upwards through a geological fault.
Officials said last December they were still considering ways to collect on the $54.8 million loan taken out by the Bakrie-owned PT Lapindo Bratas and subsidiary PT Minarak Lapindo Jaya to recompense the government for providing the bridging finance to compensate many of the victims.
Lapindo claims to have already paid as much as 8 trillion rupiah ($560 million) as part of the emergency response and victim resettlement, but the State Audit Agency (BKS) says it now remains liable for 1.5 trillion rupiah ($105 million), covering the principal, interest payments and accumulated penalties built up over the past decade.
and that is an example of why, at this point I have said No to giving up ownership.
I can't in good faith say I would consider saying yes, even if interested, we need the investment but we also need to have a Club to support in the future.
Until we know who the investors are, what their background is, what baggage they already come with, then I won't be happy to say to the Well Society to give away ownership.
I am not saying after this information is provided that I wouldn;t change my mind but that wasn't an option.
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So following on from the St Johnstone post, I do wonder what is in it for anyone wanting to invest in Motherwell.
So it has got me thinking, if they just wanted to invest and take a back seat, providing guidance etc on how to move the club forward, would that be worth it too them?
If it's 50/50 it's unlikely that things will get done, so no return
If they get control of the Club, then they could look at selling off the ground (probably the only way to get their money back), doing a Boyle and giving the Ugly Sisters and give them back the use of the Cooper Stand for instance and alienate the fans even more, especially if they have no ties to the Club or surrounding area.
There is no doubt the club is stagnating and we need to make one of the choices above or stay as we are and hope the Well Society can find ways to bring in more money, not only more money for the team but for the repair of the stadium or a move to a purpose built stadium probably with training facilities , so we dont' have extra outgoings.
The next few months will be interesting, one way or another. A new CEO, a new 'Well Board and hopefully the 'Well Society with still some semblance of control for the fans,
If the Well Society and Club asked us to vote on this today, I'd be hard pushed to say Yes to an investor.
We need to see details, we need to see some protection for the club, we need to see what involvement the Well Society can have.
Is it even worth given 51% of the Club away if they can't help steer us away from the rocks.
Especially if the new owner doesn''t know or understand Scottish Football
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From the Scottish Gossip on the BBC. Not even warm in the seats yet and this is getting peddled. As a St J fan, I'd be worried, we have seen enough clubs think they can sell their ground and move to another.
St Johnstone's prospective new owners could trade in McDiarmid Park for a newer model and make a quick profit - because the current stadium occupies a prime development site. (The Herald)
From The Herald
Big news this week as, for the first time since the club was put up for sale, there appears to be a deal in the offing.
The big questions about any outside investment – especially when it's coming from overseas – is who is involved? And what is in it for them?
Saints are in a very, very different position to other clubs who have needed outside investment – or a rescue package – in recent years.
Above all else, what was once a piece of farmland out past the edge of town that was gifted to the club for free is now an enormously valuable asset surrounded on all sides by housing and commercial development and in a strategically well-connected site.
The footprint of McDiarmid Park and its surroundings isn’t far off the size of the lower half of the Western Edge development just to the south of the stadium. It is truly massive and would be a developer’s dream.
So the question comes in several parts – what is the club, which presumably includes the cash in the bank and the value of the land and stadium on top of the actual value of a Premiership football team, actually worth? Assuming it isn’t a philanthropic gesture, what kind of return on investment does an investor expect? What assurances are there that there isn’t some kind of asset stripping in mind, or an arrangement that separates the club from the stadium and leaves us perpetually in debt to an outside entity?
The question of the stadium itself is interesting to me. I’m closer to 40 than I care to admit but even I’m too young to remember Muirton Park. It may be surprising to those a decade or more younger than me but when McDiarmid Park opened back in the late 80s it was cutting edge – the first of its kind and the template for a lot of what followed in stadium design in the 90s and 2000s.
But as, like I, our home stadium approaches the end of its fourth decade, so too it starts to show its age, just as I do. There are bound to be some serious repair bills in the future – something that has been alluded to in the past. Muirton Park lasted 60 years – and while there’s little prospect of McDiarmid Park getting to a similar level of disrepair, it is no longer a place that’s at the forefront of modern stadium design.
It would make sense to me if a new owner came in with a similar mindset to Geoff Brown in the 80s – trade in an old stadium for a newer model and find a way for the club to profit. A new owner may well then be able to realise a return on investment in the short to medium term.
But if that was the plan, wouldn’t our renown housebuilder owner not already have gone down that route?
Who is to say. For my money, I wouldn’t object to that kind of plan if it moved us to a new ground, fully enclosed on all corners, with stands tight to the pitch and a capacity in the 8-9000 range. Something closer to the town centre would be great too.
That seems quite unlikely – and I think my plan of building the May 17 Memorial Thunderdrome on the Lesser South Inch is probably a little far-fetched – but it would be a great way to move the club forward once more.
Refresh and renew – that’s what we need right now. Hopefully this process comes to fruition sooner rather than later, and I think we owe our current owners the benefit of our trust that he won’t sell out to someone with malign intent.
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Big question is who's doing the deals and recruitment for next season?
A manager that's out of contract at the end of the season (if he lasts that long)
Daws? COme May he's been here 3 years, surely he's not under contract oast then?
Or our imaginary new CEO?
Of the players listed McGinn, Spittal are the stand outs that we need to try and keep.
I'd list Butcher if he can find the form he had when he came in.
Young Ferrie, surely has to be a shout for at least a year, see how he develops. Bringing Oli Shaw back though probably tells us the thinking of Kettlewell on him.
Kelly, I'll be sad to see him go but like other keepers we've had they never seem to get sold when at their best, whether that's down to lack of offers or otherwise. His confidence just now is pretty low and that could just be down to the way we are playing and the amount of goals we are losing, not all of them can be laid at his door.
I like the look of Nicholson so far but need to see if he can last 90 minutes and provide the same as we are seeing in snippets.
Devine and Montgomery could be decent shouts next season but only if they permanent signings, no point in weakening one side the pitch every few weeks.
Gent would a brilliant signing if it's true he may be released by Blackburn but on current performance, they may want a fee.
I was disappointed when I heard Halliday was getting a permanent deal a the end of the loan but that may prove to be a decent bit of business.
Back to the original questions though who is doing the hiring and firing for next season?
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WTF is Bair playing at???
From the BBC
GOAL! Motherwell 3-0 Ross County
Theo Bair (penalty)
Bair gets his goal! Cool as you like he sends Liam Kelly diving to his left and sticks the ball in the other corner.
Six goals in five league games for Theo Bair. This is a mauling.
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I would happily take Brophy, as I would Simon Murray. .At least they have a reputation at this level.
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BBC reporting
Rangers full-back Adam Devine - grandson of Scottish singing legend Sydney Devine - could be heading out on loan to either Motherwell or Kilmarnock.
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If this is true and he really is on 10K a week, no wonder we're not competing. We can use 6k a week better elsewhere. In the meantime one of those two will be helping Gronigen pay off the fee they are due us.
https://twitter.com/Scoabin88/status/1753100536352772280/photo/1
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1 hour ago, MJC said:
19 years today since Marc Fitzpatrick fired scored a last minute extra time winner against Hearts in the League Cup at Easter Road.
One of the greatest nights I’ve had following Motherwell.
Can't get over that was 19 years ago....
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8 minutes ago, steelboy said:
It's going to be a dramatic night.
or a damp squib
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15 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:
Latest KVV off to Kilmarnock, if he signs for them I'll say "beware the badge kissers" if he signs for us I'll be a hypocrite and says "always loved him" .. if he signs for St Mirren he's just a cunt😂😂😂😂😂
He really needs to think about whether that pitch at Killie will be good for his old knees....
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Welcome to the Club Jack.
Like others not to impressed with his goal return but you know if he only scores one goal and that keeps us up, he'll have god like status forever.
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14 years... 14 years that laid buried and someone had to go and dig it up..
Thinking we could add a few since then... I nominate Alexander as the manager. Probably should be Hammy but he got left with this guys crap to start with.
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Callum Lang has left Wigan....
Unfortunately, he signed for Pompey.
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24 minutes ago, texanwellfan said:
First things first…. He plays with us to end of season.
Unless he accepts and St Midden offer a fee to take him now....
Not that I know anything, just putting it out there....
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2 minutes ago, Mccus28 said:
Callan Elliot now with us
and he hasn't played since leaving his last club in June. Could be end of season before he is fit then. Welcome to the Club
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Welcome Andy, was disappointed when heard his name, more because of his age and limited playing time but he's here now. Still need to be convinced a permanent deal is worth it but as always, he's in our colours so he'll get my support.
Now we need a striker, some bolstering of the defence as well and I suppose we'll have to be happy. Would've loved an out and out winger but we know what SK thinks of them.
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52 minutes ago, Ped_MFC said:
If we're looking for an experienced centre-forward who can also inspire and encourage the younger players then Troy Deeney is available I believe.
Or maybe not.
That was no surprise that was coming after his comments earlier in the week.
*Just noticed he was also given a 4 game suspension as well for conduct last month.
It is good to see at least another club who is chewing up and spitting out managers at a faster rate than us.
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2 hours ago, bobbybingo said:
Moult's injured. No idea how long for, but surely they won't be letting Watt go anywhere just now unless they're skint.
This from earlier in the week.
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17 hours ago, fizoxy said:
Where's this Watt chat coming from? Is it just common sense because he's in danger of spending a full season somewhere, which would be weird for him?
I like Penney, but does he not hate Scotland?
New next door neighbour is a Utd fan and that's the rumour he is hearing as well.
New CEO Named
in Club Chat
Posted
BRIAN CALDWELL APPOINTED CHIEF EXECUTIVE
We can confirm that Brian Caldwell will join the club as Chief Executive on 2nd April 2024.
Brian has a wealth of football experience spanning over almost 30 years, having served as Chief Executive of Ayr United, St Mirren and Shrewsbury Town in England.
“I would like to take this opportunity to welcome Brian to Motherwell,” Chairman Jim McMahon said.
“As one of the most experienced football Chief Executives who has worked in both Scotland and England, we feel Brian will be a huge asset to Motherwell Football Club.
“The board and the Well Society are all looking forward to working closely with Brian when he starts in a couple weeks.
“I also want to record my personal thanks to Derek Weir for stepping into the CEO role last year. Derek has now been involved with the club in various roles for over 14 years.
“We are extremely grateful for the time commitment and the significant contribution he has made to the club during that period.”
“I know how important Motherwell Football Club is to the local community, the fans and generations of families who support the club,” Brian Caldwell added.
“I am delighted to be joining and to be part of the exciting future that Motherwell Football club have in front of them.”
https://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2024/03/22/brian-caldwell-appointed-chief-executive