Steve Diggle Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Why should the decision have any bearing on whether you support your own team? Surely staying away in protest is hurting Motherwell more than anything else. Register your complaints, boo them every time we play them, write to your MP but for pity's sake support Motherwell whatever the outcome. Because Motherwell will be a big part in the decision process that will allow a version of Rangers to return directly to the SPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 All this talk of 'voting Rangers back in' is incorrect anyway. Rangers will ask the SPL for permission to transfer to a newco, they won't liquidate before doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welldaft Mk1 Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 It's about time everyone lived within their means anyway so taking the TV money out of the equation might solve a few problems, create a few initially yes but to me that money should never be counted as guaranteed income. TV money if it comes in should be used to bring gate prices down, everthing else goes to run the football club. Quite agree Matt. But it is hard enough getting 4000 Well fans to FirPark when we are sitting 3rd in the league and playing some decent football. More fans will be lost if we were playing poorly and had a crap team, because we had significantly less revenue, than the few on here threatening a boycott. Time for the tin hat......probably a few on here would turn their back because of poor results who are threatening to stay away if the club try and protect revenue by allowing the Gers back in the SPL. Best way forward is a new co Gers in the 3rd division and a fairer distribution of tv revenue, so that even if it is decreased the non old firm clubs do not lose out to the tune it threatens their very existence. If Sky were to pull the plug on the SPL as a result of Rangers in the 3rd division, then I would cancel my sky subscrition within a nanosecond and I suspect there will be a fair few more than the 2000 the poster was referring to above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelEdge Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Nah - League Cup and Scottish Cup games only for me if that goes ahead. Feeling like this myself. Would UEFA have any input on this at all? Does anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 UEFA have said that the 'trust the SFA to handle all matters appropriately' or something like that. They made a staement last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Why is it that everybody immediately assumes that less money will mean a poorer product and lower crowds? Im fed up with that argument as its just total tosh! Its not the amount of money you have that is important its what you do with it and how you structure things. They way ahead for Scottish football is to invest in youth. Thats how we got success in the past and thats how we will succeed in the future. Has everyone forgotten the start we made under Gannon? Those European games were immense with a team whose average age was about 23. The Flamurtari game was brilliant and we scared the sh*t out of Steua Bucharest at Broomfield. It was so exciting and yes, the wheels came off Gannons bogey, but that sense of hope is priceless. Rangers and Celtic have screwed Scottish Football with their level of greed and self interest for years and we have all allowed it to happen. Thats why we must send the strongest message possible to our board about whats at stake here in order that they understand the strength of feeling and force them to do the right thing. Thankfully, I think they are listening. Here's hoping the other clubs are too. Lets take get the peoples game back for the people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 I would be genuinely delighted if Sky fuck off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 I would be genuinely delighted if Sky fuck off I wouldnt disagree. You dont have to pay young boys big wages and the transfer fees for movin on under 23's contract or not, would keep the club afloat. It would be an absolute disaster for the Ugly Sisters and they would be forced to punt their high earners making the playing field more even. That would make our league more competitive, interesting and drive crowds UP! We should be modelling ourselves on Norway, Sweden, Denmark etc not the EPL. Greed is not good and right now neither are we, so what do we have to lose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that hat Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 I cannot cancel my standing order this is money I promised the club in good faith and withdrawing only hurts my club not the cheats or the fixers. But as a member of the SPL taking these decisions isn't Motherwell one of "the cheats or the fixers"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcalf Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 UEFA have said that the 'trust the SFA to handle all matters appropriately' or something like that. They made a staement last week. That's all right then, I was getting worried for a minute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 That's all right then, I was getting worried for a minute That's what I was thinking In Twitter Regan we trust! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Question 1 - If Rangers are liquidated and reformed as a Newco, should they be allowed immediate re-entry into the SPL? Question 2 - In the event of a Rangers Newco being allowed immediate re-entry how, as a supporter of another SPL/SFL club would you respond? I would continue to attend SPL fixtures as normal I would NOT attend any SPL fixtures at all I would continue to attend SPL fixtures but boycott any fixtures involving the Rangers Newco I support an SFL team so don't attend any SPL fixtures Question 3 - Do you back the SPL's Financial Fair Play Proposals? ABERDEEN: 97% NO to Newco // 66% wouldn't return & 24% would boycott Newco fixtures // 54% NO to FFP CELTIC: 98% NO to Newco // 53% wouldn't return & 36% would boycott Newco fixtures // 73% NO to FFP DUNDEE UTD: 97% NO to Newco // 62% wouldn't return & 27% would boycott Newco fixtures // 54% NO to FFP DUNFERMLINE: 97% NO to Newco // 62% wouldn't return & 25% would boycott Newco fixtures // 49% NO to FFP HEARTS: 97% NO to Newco // 46% wouldn't return & 36% would boycott Newco fixtures // 41% NO to FFP HIBERNIAN: 98% NO to Newco // 54% wouldn't return & 35% would boycott Newco fixtures // 56% NO to FFP INVERNESS CT: 93% NO to Newco // 55% wouldn't return & 33% would boycott Newco fixtures // 60% NO to FFP KILMARNOCK: 95% NO to Newco // 56% wouldn't return & 33% would boycott Newco fixtures // 57% NO to FFP MOTHERWELL: 92% NO to Newco // 61% wouldn't return & 25% would boycott Newco fixtures // 69% NO to FFP RANGERS: 35% NO to Newco // 22% wouldn't return & 3% would boycott Newco fixtures // 76% NO to FFP ST JOHNSTONE: 96% NO to Newco // 56% wouldn't return & 32% would boycott Newco fixtures // 57% NO to FFP ST MIRREN: 96% NO to Newco // 54% wouldn't return & 35% would boycott Newco fixtures // 59% NO to FFP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambo97 Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 RANGERS: 35% NO to Newco // 22% wouldn't return & 3% would boycott Newco fixtures // 76% NO to FFP Brilliant 3% would boycott the Newco fixtures but would continue going to their games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 So with fans of every group voting above 90% on no to NewCo re-entering the SPL we can assume the SPL will ignore this and well vote the NewCo back in.... Saying that, Yorkston has mentioned he would have severe reservations on voting them back in - but that is probably more to do with the fact he probably thinks it would save Dunfermline from relegation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkySuperSub Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Anyone know where the above poll has been taken from? How many people were polled? etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 HERE The article in Tayside Courier states almost 12,000 people have answered the survey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nethertonwellfan Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 There is also a petition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Bellows Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 I'm with Diggle......get them oot. Most fans in Scotland agree, and a huge proportion won't be back if they get back in with a new name But, what's the deal with this SPL meeting on 30th April and their proposals for immediate rule changes? If they change rules to accommodate a new company / football club, then that is simply a disgrace Or, is this to set up some horse-trading in order to alter the 11-1 voting rule? I hope the Directors of MFC are taking note of this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bop Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 The end is nigh? If this is true, we might not have long to wait to find out whats happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Amazing results from the poll. If the results are to be believed Aberdeen would lose about 2/3 of their 10,000 support. That would leave them playing in front of about 3,300 fans. We'd be playing in front of about 1,600 fans. Dramatic stuff and quite a few SL clubs, including ourselves, would be in financial freefall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Amazing results from the poll. If the results are to be believed Aberdeen would lose about 2/3 of their 10,000 support. That would leave them playing in front of about 3,300 fans. We'd be playing in front of about 1,600 fans. Dramatic stuff and quite a few SL clubs, including ourselves, would be in financial freefall. I'd take the results of any voluntary online poll with a hefty pinch of salt. They're always going to amplify the voice of those who feel the most strongly about something, as the people who don't have a strong opinion either way are much less likely to bother taking part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 But, what's the deal with this SPL meeting on 30th April and their proposals for immediate rule changes? If they change rules to accommodate a new company / football club, then that is simply a disgrace the rules already allow for a share transfer to a newco. if they bring in the changes proposed they will only be adding a penalty to the process which doesn't exist at the minute.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 I'd take the results of any voluntary online poll with a hefty pinch of salt. They're always going to amplify the voice of those who feel the most strongly about something, as the people who don't have a strong opinion either way are much less likely to bother taking part. Thats true, but it certainly gives the SPL chairmen and board food for thought. An SFA national league with Newco in the third division is surely not out of the question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special aka Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Anyone know where the above poll has been taken from? How many people were polled? etc And it would appear we are the most sympathetic towards the Buns plight, "Buns without bus-fare" indeed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 And it would appear we are the most sympathetic towards the Buns plight, "Buns without bus-fare" indeed Statistics big man, statistics. We are also more likely than most SPL fans (after Dunfermline, Aberdeen and Dundee Utd) to give up watching our club if a newco is admitted to the SPL. I quite accept that there is a groundswell of opinion against a newco being shoed into the SPL, and I'm dead set against it myself but I'm sceptical of the results of this survey. What could we do? I suppose the best long term approach is to join the Society to ensure our voice is heard within MFC. The Society is our golden opportunity to shape the future of the club. However that will not address the issue of the SPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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