2013 - 2014 Ins & Outs

[Big Stall]

They obviously fancy him, hence back in for him again. Given that he's contracted, and its only the start of the summer, it would be nice if the board chanced their arm and tried to play hard ball.

[nethertonwellfan]

I think if they can get more of the 400k up front rather than add ons then they will take it.

 

I think a split of 300k/100k will be very tempting to the club.

[Lobey_Dosser]

If Ojamaa is happy here and has an eye of making it in England, I'd be offering him a deal to make him highest paid player at the club.

 

If he stays, he will be our main man next season and will have better offers than some Polish mob.

[Steve Diggle]

Sit him down offer him a decent contract with a release clause

[ONeils40yarder]

Punt him and trust McCall to bring someone else in

 

 

[stuwell]

Just seen on the euro thread that Lech Poznan are one of the seeded teams we could be up against - what's the chances of selling him and then drawing them.

[ONeils40yarder]

Punt him and trust McCall to bring someone else in

 

 

 

 

oooohhh, negative reps??!!

 

£400k is a helluva lot of money to us particularly for someone we brought in for hee-haw, just what, 18months ago? Take the cash and use it wisely I say, or else we lose him for fuck all to a pre-contract in January.

[weeyin]

oooohhh, negative reps??!!

 

£400k is a helluva lot of money to us particularly for someone we brought in for hee-haw, just what, 18months ago? Take the cash and use it wisely I say, or else we lose him for fuck all to a pre-contract in January.

 

 

If we are offered 400k then let him go (as long as McCall is free to spend the cash). 175k plus "add-ons" is much riskier.

 

If they have 400k to spend, let them give it to us up front.

[Wellfan1984]

Just seen on the euro thread that Lech Poznan are one of the seeded teams we could be up against - what's the chances of selling him and then drawing them.

 

If we sell him to them - 1 out of 29

 

If we don't sell him - 1 out of 29

[Motherwell89]

we should offer him another contract on better terms and keep him here longer so we can demand more money for him if someone comes in!

 

our problem is we sell so cheap or let our players go for nothing! players with half his ability go for 3 or 4 times that kind of money easy across Europe

 

400k is nothing really if he is the difference between a few league spots, a cup game, a EL qualifying game! just look at his assist from last season, where would we be without him this season!

[Yoshi-1991]

The problem we have is we havw reputation for letting players go for far less than their value so teams just rip the piss with rediculous offers.

[Motherwell89]

yep, the guy they want him to replace is supposedly going to Celtic for 2 million!

[sbcmfc]

I thought a players salary and remaining time on contract were generally indicators of a players transfer value?

 

Obviously there's not a formula as such, but to say that a player contracted for another 50 weeks @ £2000 pw is worth more than 400k seems a stretch!

 

If we paid better wages or tied players up on longer contracts (I'm not suggesting we should) we possibly would command higher fees?

[TonyS88]

we should offer him another contract on better terms and keep him here longer so we can demand more money for him if someone comes in!

 

our problem is we sell so cheap or let our players go for nothing! players with half his ability go for 3 or 4 times that kind of money easy across Europe

 

400k is nothing really if he is the difference between a few league spots, a cup game, a EL qualifying game! just look at his assist from last season, where would we be without him this season!

 

If we had another season of loss like last one, 400k would be the difference between admin and not.

[Haggischomper]

We're skint. Where's all the 400K is nothing patter coming from? Not an ideal situation, but punt him.

[Motherwell89]

Point isn't the difference between 2nd place and 3rd like 500k?actually STV says it's 920k

[Frazzie]

That's miles out of date.

['Wellfan 2k7]

The difference between 2nd and 3rd is only about 5% now down from 9% the season before last. (Can't be sure of exact figures, but I'm sure it's something in that ball park)

Regardless of the transfer fee, we are still down around 400k in terms of the team who finished 2nd before us. So I would be more than happy for him to move on at that value plus add ons BUT not at the 175k plus add ons. That would just mean the club are losing money and losing a talented player. We need to, at the very least break even from our transfers. So if Lech Poznan are wanting OJamaa they really need to raise their bid

[Waldo]

Point isn't the difference between 2nd place and 3rd like 500k?actually STV says it's 920k

 

 

According to SPL a few months ago it is half that

1 £2,405,000

2 £1,718,000

3 £1,460,000

4 £1,289,000

5 £1,203,000

6 £1,117,000

7 £1,057,000

8 £1,005,000

9 £988,000

10 £902,000

11 £816,000

12 £730,000

[Number8]

As Estonian I really hope Henrik stays in Motherwell then goes to Poland where there's so many financial problems for several clubs. For example Polonia Warsaw didn't get top league license for the next season and were relegated to 2nd league (even tho they finished the season in 6th) cause they haven't payed any salary for their players since last year.

Edited May 28, 2013 by Number8

[weeyin]

As Estonian I really hope Henrik stays in Motherwell then goes to Poland where there's so many financial problems for several clubs. For example Polonia Warsaw didn't get top league license for the next season and were relegated to 2nd league (even tho they finished the season in 6th) cause they haven't payed any salary for their players since last year.

 

That's another reason I would want all 400k in the bank up front rather than any sketchy future add-ons.

[johnstone]

As Estonian I really hope Henrik stays in Motherwell then goes to Poland where there's so many financial problems for several clubs. For example Polonia Warsaw didn't get top league license for the next season and were relegated to 2nd league (even tho they finished the season in 6th) cause they haven't payed any salary for their players since last year.

 

We have this system in Scotland too. It's called Sevco.

 

In all seriousness. If the offer for Henrik is around the 400k number then I think Motherwell would find it very hard to turn that down.

[johnstone]

Also a few people on here saying we don't get enough money selling in players. Anyone ever think about the fact maybe no one is buying or if they are the offers are shite. Motherwell have had offers for hutchy law randy Ojamma and Murphy and only accepted the later and he then knocked them back.

 

Clubs have sussed the Scottish market and know we have most if our players on short term contracts.

[Motherwell89]

so ignoring this seasons one off?, 2nd place prize money carve up to help the other clubs finances

 

this is the reporting of the new propsals

 

from the society briefing on the original reconstruction doesnt seem that much different although no real numbers were given only overall amounts

 

note: the lower SFL clubs dont actually request all that much fuding, in fact nothing more from the SPL pot, but the somewhat faked good of the game line being fed seems more to be for the good of any of the SPL clubs who drop out for a a few seasons

 

now if only the top position in the whole sorry house of cards was to truly give up a fair portion of the prize money then everyone could sahre and get more than the stand off is asking for:

 

 

http://sport.stv.tv/...reconstruction/

 

Pos.SPL current/proposed change SFLproposed change
1	2720000	2405514	-314487	2405514	-314487
2	2400000	1717454	-682546	1717454	-682546
3	1520000	1460555	-59446	1460555	-59446
4	1360000	1288629	-71371	1288091	-71910
5	1280000	1202757	-77243	1201859	-78142
6	1200000	1116884	-83116	1117423	-82577
7	1120000	1056701	-63299	1056342	-63658
8	1040000	1005142	-34858	1006040	-33960
9	960000	987895	27895	988075	28075
10	880000	902023	22023	901843	21843
11	800000	816150	16150	815611	15611
12	720000	730277	10277	729379	9379
13	68000	386248	318248	323370	255370
14	67000	343132	276132	287440	220440
15	66000	300016	234016	251510	185510
16	65000	256900	191900	215580	150580
17	64000	240731	176731	197615	133615
18	62000	188633	126633	170668	108668
19	61000	172464	111464	161685	100685
20	60000	154499	94499	152703	92703
21	59000	138331	79331	143720	84720
22	57000	120366	63366	125755	68755
23	56000	102401	46401	89825	33825
24	55000	86232	31232	88029	33029
25	54000	56769	2769	82639	28639
26	53000	52099	-902	77250	24250
27	51000	51200	200	73657	22657
28	50000	50302	302	68267	18267
39	49000	49404	404	66471	17471
30	48000	48506	506	64674	16674
31	47000	46709	-291	62878	15878
32	45000	44913	-88	61081	16081
33	44000	43116	-884	59285	15285
34	43000	42218	-782	57488	14488
35	42000	41320	-681	55692	13692
36	40000	40421	421	53895	13895
37	39000	39523	523	52099	13099
38	38000	38625	625	50302	12302
39	37000	37727	727	48506	11506
40	36000	35930	-70	46709	10709
41	34000	34134	134	44913	10913
42	33000	32337	-663	43116	10116

 

this is what i was looking at? isn't the change too 1717454 just a proposal?

 

Scottish football is really confusing, also funny that team 42 gets what the sfa get in pay rises

[Motherwell89]

According to SPL a few months ago it is half that

1 £2,405,000

2 £1,718,000

3 £1,460,000

4 £1,289,000

5 £1,203,000

6 £1,117,000

7 £1,057,000

8 £1,005,000

9 £988,000

10 £902,000

11 £816,000

12 £730,000

 

still, where would we have finished without those assists! know one knows but we do know he is a really big player for us and we could lose money by selling him for the 170k (+ rest we might never get)

 

700k difference from finishing where we budgeted to finish and where we did finish.