capt_oats Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 It was almost inevitable that we'd part company this week. Good luck to him in the future. Not currently cut out for management at this level but will always be grateful for Ibrox. Far better managers than him couldn't have handled the playoffs with the composure and determination that Baraclough exhibited. Funny you say that as I was just thinking that parting company now is probably in his best interests, Morton game aside he's in the position where he's still got a not bad win % (35%-ish I think), he can go to whichever club he approaches next say he kept us up and point to The Battering of The Rangers as his career highlight which was broadcast nationally. If he was to have dragged it out and kept losing things would obviously have looked worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Stat people...what was Baraclough's overall win % and where does it leave him against all the others? Assuming Ya Bezzer will have that to hand as is usually quick with the stats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mio Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Good luck to the guy, I've no doubt he did his best. In a way I think he's been let down a lot by certain individuals at the club but a more clued up strong manager wouldn't have let that happen. We need a manager that'll rattle some cages and not ask players to give too much of an opinion....they need telt!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Up For It! Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Would actually love Craggs to have a half dozen games to see how he goes and give him the job. If not, Jim McIntyre would be my pick of names touted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Stat people...what was Baraclough's overall win % and where does it leave him against all the others? Assuming Ya Bezzer will have that to hand as is usually quick with the stats I'm having my dinner just now. You'll need to wait! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 I see you where you are coming from with that but the counter argument is that the extra time on the training ground and a few matches which are basically shots to nothing are worth more than a couple of hidings which no one (and i can guarantee not even me) will blame the new man for. Every season the clock is ticking from day one, every game and training session has value. Waiting a few weeks or writing off games is the wrong way to go about things. You can never get that time back. Indeed, and I don't really disagree...however to be fair the club doing their business so swiftly was completely unexpected in this house, which I would have included as the ideal option for me. I fully expected Baraclough to be in the job against Partick and Dundee and to lose them both, so my thoughts were based around a change happening between Dundee and Celtic at the earliest. As it's turned out we have the chance to have that "bounce" from two winnable games coming up, and lessen the impact of the Celtic and Aberdeen games. Best case scenario under the circumstances...not often we can say that. Good that we have taken action quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Stat people...what was Baraclough's overall win % and where does it leave him against all the others? Assuming Ya Bezzer will have that to hand as is usually quick with the stats Wiki has it as 35.29% not sure if that includes last night though. P W D L 34 12 5 17 Same number of games as he managed at Scunthorpe co-incidentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Stat people...what was Baraclough's overall win % and where does it leave him against all the others? Assuming Ya Bezzer will have that to hand as is usually quick with the stats Win/loss doesn't give a clear picture due to top six, bottom six and only managing through one full round of league fixtures. He played 10 games against Partick, St Mirren and Killie but only 6 against Celtic, Aberdeen and United. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 I'm having my dinner just now. You'll need to wait! Mon' you - get it scranned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ML1 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Stat people...what was Baraclough's overall win % and where does it leave him against all the others? Assuming Ya Bezzer will have that to hand as is usually quick with the stats It was 35 for Baraclough , Mizu was 30 at Hibs and 44 at Killie , Baraclough won 12 from 34 , Mixu 15 from 34 at Killie , baffling that he's desired by some or considered succesful if you ask me according to wiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Stat people...what was Baraclough's overall win % and where does it leave him against all the others? Assuming Ya Bezzer will have that to hand as is usually quick with the stats His league win percentage was 30%, 9 wins in 30 matches. 3 of those 9 wins came in a three week period against three struggling teams (St. Mirren, Kilmarnock, Hamilton). Take that period out of the equation and it was down to a 22% win ratio. Since the 5-0 win against St.Mirren he had only managed 3 wins in 14 in the league (21%). In those 14 games we only scored more than 1 goal once, and kept only 3 clean sheets. Perhaps more importantly was this overall league loss percentage was 53% due to a small number of drawn matches, (57% loss percentage in last 14). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Thanks. How does that compare to our last few manager? What is his overall % inc cups? Edit: Just saw ML1 said it was 35% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Lasley and Hutchison on sportsound now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 His league win percentage was 30%, 9 wins in 30 matches. 3 of those 9 wins came in a three week period against three struggling teams (St. Mirren, Kilmarnock, Hamilton). Take that period out of the equation and it was down to a 22% win ratio. Since the 5-0 win against St.Mirren he had only managed 3 wins in 14 in the league (21%). In those 14 games we only scored more than 1 goal once, and kept only 3 clean sheets. Perhaps more importantly was this overall league loss percentage was 53% due to a small number of drawn matches, (57% loss percentage in last 14). Nice stats but why would you take out St Mirren, Kilmarnock and Hamilton? If you're doing that then you should take out defeats to Celtic, Aberdeen and ICT from last season. Do those wins not matter as much (in fact the opposite is true at our end of the table) FFS, there's taking stats to take your side of things then there is taking stats to take the absolute pish! You either give the whole win ratio - which by the way is a stupid stat to judge a manager by as a manager with 1 win 0 draws and 9 defeats has the same win ratio as a manager with 1 win 9 draws and 0 defeats - or you don use it at all 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ankles Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Stats posted on the internet mean feck all, 73% are made up by the poster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Reading between the no so subtle lines on the radio, sounds like there were a few punches thrown in the dressing room last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilmour Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Wouldn't be surprised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1991 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 I have no doubt McDonald would have been in the middle of the dressing room incident, my interpretation of the radio interview was the dressing room incident was a major factor in Bara getting the bullet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweed Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 If you're doing that then you should take out defeats to Celtic, Aberdeen and ICT from last season. Do those wins not matter as much (in fact the opposite is true at our end of the table) Just to be pedantic, Baraclough had a 100% win ratio against John Hughes which is about 100% more than Mark McGhee managed against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweed Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Reading between the no so subtle lines on the radio, sounds like there were a few punches thrown in the dressing room last night. Shame they showed close to precisely no fight on the pitch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Only caught the end of Les' interview but from what I could gather, no blame was attached to the experienced pros. Quite something to go on and say some of the younger players should 'hang their heads' in shame as Baraclough heads down the road with his family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 FFS, there's taking stats to take your side of things then there is taking stats to take the absolute pish! You either give the whole win ratio - which by the way is a stupid stat to judge a manager by as a manager with 1 win 0 draws and 9 defeats has the same win ratio as a manager with 1 win 9 draws and 0 defeats - or you don use it at all That's actually a decent point. Points per game and goal differential would give a better picture. On the general point of stats they are going to come massively into Football over the next few years and the big clubs are already doing it. Advanced stats completely changed Baseball and Basketball and there are a lot of statisticians in the USA trying to build models which can have the same effect on Football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Pretty disgusted today. The Motherwell players have a history of downing tools within the last 12 months alone and it seems like they may have been at it again. Something stinks within that dressing room. Very Jim Gannon like in the way it has ended as well. If Baraclough has had a go at one or two then good on him. The word imposter has been used alot on this thread but I believe Baraclough had the interests of the club at heart. I think there are players in that dressing room that could not say the same. Player power wins again. Just think how powerful they would be if they were any good!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Yeah agree stats are huge in sports, especially American but then again in the US Big 3 the chances of a draw are almost 0. It's easier to do a win ratio when the result is 99% of the time a win or loss. None of these pesky draws. When grading a manager I think Points Won Points Won % Loss Percentage Are better overall indicators although goal differentual could be a little harsh in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshi-1991 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Didn't catch the radio interview, does it get put up as a podcast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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