weeyin Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 They say you should never go back, but I'd invite him back - he'd be better than some of our strike options http://m.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/13791358.Frustrated_Lee_Erwin_ready_for_Leeds_United_loan_move_after_switch_from_Motherwell/ Could we afford him? We made him two offers and suggested he'd be better off playing in our first team than Leeds' development squad. He decided otherwise, so we drafted in replacements. We don't need him back. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 We made him two offers and suggested he'd be better off playing in our first team than Leeds' development squad. He decided otherwise, so we drafted in replacements. We don't need him back. Any player who plays half a season of first team football and reckons he's going to go and start every week in the championship is deluded. Everybody could see that except him and his agent. Jim O'Brien, for example, was a much better developed player (not saying better, just further on in his development) when he went down south and it took him nearly two years to become a standard name on the team sheet type player at Barnsley. Young players need to stop believing their agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 He went down there for money. If he fails to break through he'll get a club up here again no problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 He went down there for money. If he fails to break through he'll get a club up here again no problem. Of course he went for money. And I don't blame him. I blame the people that advise guys like him. When you're that age, taking the money now rather than waiting a year and getting more later will always seem the best approach. And if you're an agent, you want your player to make as many moves as they can. That's why so many end up back here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I just don't understand it. I wish more players would go the Gauld/Anya route. Go abroad, actually learn new shit. Might not earn as much at Tenerife or Mallorca than at some middle order League 1 team but you'd be in with a shot of playing against some of the best players in the world while living a few miles or so from a beach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Many local taxi drivers wear club ties? I'd wager not a lot. Hearing there are more over in November. The new regime certainly seem to be forging links & casting nets wider. Unlikely, I would agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 They say you should never go back, but I'd invite him back - he'd be better than some of our strike options http://m.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/13791358.Frustrated_Lee_Erwin_ready_for_Leeds_United_loan_move_after_switch_from_Motherwell/ Could we afford him? I would welcome him back - but not this season unless we plan to offload a couple of strikers on the cheap. He left too early. I think he probably knows that and expected to be a bit closer to the first team than he is right now going from some comments in his interviews to the press. Ye live and ye learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I just don't understand it. I wish more players would go the Gauld/Anya route. Go abroad, actually learn new shit. Might not earn as much at Tenerife or Mallorca than at some middle order League 1 team but you'd be in with a shot of playing against some of the best players in the world while living a few miles or so from a beach. While not disagreeing with you, did anya not end up there because he had tried everywhere else? Don't actually know, that was just my impression. I was sure he'd ended up at that hoddle academy thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 No doubt Erwin went there for more money, and he might be disappointed that he's not getting any first team action. That doesn't necessarily make it a bad move for him though; at a club the size of Leeds he'll still be benefitting from better facilities (and arguably better coaching, given our current predicament) than we could offer him, and whoever he ends up being loaned out to could still be playing a higher standard of football than a bottom-half Scottish Premiership club. It's the guys like Tom Hateley who give it all the "bigger challenge" chat and then struggle to get a four month deal at Tranmere Rovers that I'm more inclined to reserve my "telt ye's" for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 The training facilities are obviously better, but I'm not convinced about the coaching (in the lower leagues at least). Given what we've seen from the English players that end up at Fir Park it's rare that they have better technique than their Scottish counterparts. Like you say, though, could still work out fine for him. Maybe the ideal would have been for us to sell him, but hold in to him for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey_Dosser Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Erwin lost the best part of 2 seasons to 2 injuries and done well to recover. With that history, you can't blame him taking a big money offer, particularly to a club with the history and fan base of Leeds. A few months in League 1 could do him and Leeds the world of good. If he stays fit and keeps his head screwed on, he'll undoubtedly play for Scotland one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 While not disagreeing with you, did anya not end up there because he had tried everywhere else? Don't actually know, that was just my impression. I was sure he'd ended up at that hoddle academy thing. It's less dignified than that. After release from Oxford and being rejected by clubs like Hamilton he went to the GH Academy, was then loaned to some non league mob and then Northampton. Northampton wanted to keep him though but he chose to stay in Spain with Sevilla (playing for Sevilla Atletico), Celta (playing for Celta B) before getting his break with the Udinese Group when he signed for Grenada which seen him get loans to Cadiz and Watford (before a permanent move). I might be way out but I don't think he'd be where he is if Accies hadn't rejected him before his move to GH or if he signed on at Northampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 It's the guys like Tom Hateley who give it all the "bigger challenge" chat and then struggle to get a four month deal at Tranmere Rovers that I'm more inclined to reserve my "telt ye's" for. Tom Hateley is doing ok for himself after a slight lull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 If he's lucky Erwin will be playing for a Hibs or a Dundee Utd in a year or two from now. Leeds were pretty charitable paying any fee, never mind the amount we got. What was it? A hundred grand for every goal he scored? Laughing all the way to the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 If he's lucky Erwin will be playing for a Hibs or a Dundee Utd in a year or two from now. Leeds were pretty charitable paying any fee, never mind the amount we got. What was it? A hundred grand for every goal he scored? Laughing all the way to the bank. Although I think you have worded it harshly. I get the jist of yer point and have said similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yassin Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Erwin was very effective for a few months in the certain system we employed but I'm not sure if he's actually any better than a top Championship/bottom Premiership player. Not saying he can't improve but imo he'll be way out of his depth in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Tom Hateley is doing ok for himself after a slight lull. Seems to be, yes. Perhaps he's learnt a little humility in the meantime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggischomper Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 What position is he demanding to play in these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Seems to be, yes. Perhaps he's learnt a little humility in the meantime Is refusing a pay cut a lack of humility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Pepper Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34389785 Joe Hormley not one of the players that turned us down or at least we were looking at him? Horrific injury, hope he makes a full recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris-A-Goalda Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Not sure if he was ever linked with the Well, but have it on good authority Gormley was to be a £30,000 signing for St Johnstone at start of the summer. Had all been agreed with Tommy Wright, until the insurance bill at McDiarmid Park for their injuries last season came in and wiped out the funds for the move. Smashing striker as well, would have grabbed a fair few in the Scottish Premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wispy Flossy Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34389785 Joe Hormley not one of the players that turned us down or at least we were looking at him? Horrific injury, hope he makes a full recovery. Yes he chose to go to posh instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 It's less dignified than that. After release from Oxford and being rejected by clubs like Hamilton he went to the GH Academy, was then loaned to some non league mob and then Northampton. Northampton wanted to keep him though but he chose to stay in Spain with Sevilla (playing for Sevilla Atletico), Celta (playing for Celta B) before getting his break with the Udinese Group when he signed for Grenada which seen him get loans to Cadiz and Watford (before a permanent move). I might be way out but I don't think he'd be where he is if Accies hadn't rejected him before his move to GH or if he signed on at Northampton. Cheers, interesting stuff, that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosshillWell Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 I've got to say, I've spent some time talking to Anya and his 'auntie', his mum's best friend. He was one of the loveliest guys I've met in the football world, along with Ian Wright. His aunt said it was always his dream to play for Scotland and he was delighted when he signed for Watford and made it to be a professional footballer, full time. We all make decisions in life, but with all his success, Anya was just a great guy who seemed ecstatic to be playing at international level and kept saying, 'if I'm called up to the next squad.' I met him at lunch the day after a qualifier at Hampden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goggles & Flippers Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Delightful to hear he's a lovely chap. Is he on the verge of signing for us or being the next player manager? Your post just seems out the blue in the In's and Out's thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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