Former Motherwell Fc Players Thread

[livivoice 67]

Danny is on a roll. 3 goals in 3 games.

[milo 414]

Gillespie starts for Newcastle tonight. Fair play.

[Haggischomper 1,349]

Gillespie starts for Newcastle tonight. Fair play.

And, apparently, he's only 18 years old now. We must be due a development fee then

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[Welldaft Mk1 470]

12 hours ago, livivoice said:

Danny is on a roll. 3 goals in 3 games.

Scores the winner in 93 minutes in Carabao League Cup. 

I am sure commentator said he had scored 6 in last 6 games ! Way to go Danny. 

[Casagolda 19]

3 hours ago, milo said:

Gillespie starts for Newcastle tonight. Fair play.

Seen a few Newcastle fans wanted him to get the start in the EPL. Dubravka still out and no one rates Darlow.

[texanwellfan 390]

41 minutes ago, Casagolda said:

Seen a few Newcastle fans wanted him to get the start in the EPL. Dubravka still out and no one rates Darlow.

Both Gillespie and Randolph having shut outs tonight. Hammers won 3-0 and Newcastle 1-0. Well done to both of them. 

[weeyin 3,469]

Motherwell. Official supplier of Second String EPL Goalies.

[Shaka 433]

9 hours ago, weeyin said:

Motherwell. Official supplier of Second String EPL Goalies.

Its absolutely crazy to think we never got a penny in transfer fees for either keeper! 

[weeyin 3,469]

5 hours ago, Shaka said:

Its absolutely crazy to think we never got a penny in transfer fees for either keeper! 

Especially when you see news like Aston Villa just signing Arsenal's 2nd string keeper for £20 million.

[Spiderpig 635]

37 minutes ago, weeyin said:

Especially when you see news like Aston Villa just signing Arsenal's 2nd string keeper for £20 million.

Transfers between English clubs, specifically the premiership ones are nowhere near normal, they just add zero's to the end of the fee agreed, irrespective of whether the player is actually any good or not.

[Spiderpig 635]

Steve Bruce reckons Gillespie was the motm last night, he seems to have settled well 

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/09/16/our-best-player-bruce-names-newcastle-man-of-the-match-it-isnt-fraser/

[Stu92 79]

Kipre makes debut in 3-0 West Brom win over Harrogate. Scott sets up opener for Hull away to Leeds, 1-0 halftime currently.

[Ped_MFC 40]

Hull concede an injury time equaliser at Leeds but go on to win 9-8 on penalties. James Scott converted his successfully (was one of the original 5 Hull penalty takers).

[Spiderpig 635]

I see Lee Erwin made a scoring debut for St Mirren,  to put them 1-0 up against Celtic tonight.

[grizzlyg 328]

12 hours ago, Shaka said:

Its absolutely crazy to think we never got a penny in transfer fees for either keeper! 

Yep great example of when our business model doesn't work.  Sign Randolph for nowt on 3yr deal.....Gillespie for nowt on 2 yr deal....see them honour full contract and we get hee haw  money....brilliant 

[Stuwell2 22]

21 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

Yep great example of when our business model doesn't work.  Sign Randolph for nowt on 3yr deal.....Gillespie for nowt on 2 yr deal....see them honour full contract and we get hee haw  money....brilliant 

Apart from 5 years of solid goalkeeping which lead to a couple of successful seasons.
It’s not all about cash return although that would have been a bonus. 

[Stu92 79]

9 hours ago, grizzlyg said:

Yep great example of when our business model doesn't work.  Sign Randolph for nowt on 3yr deal.....Gillespie for nowt on 2 yr deal....see them honour full contract and we get hee haw  money....brilliant 

Is the business model not partly about getting players that should/could be playing at a higher level, and give them a platform to put themselves in the shop window? I'd say it's working spot on in that respect.

[Spiderpig 635]

11 hours ago, grizzlyg said:

Yep great example of when our business model doesn't work.  Sign Randolph for nowt on 3yr deal.....Gillespie for nowt on 2 yr deal....see them honour full contract and we get hee haw  money....brilliant 

As I recall at the time nobody wanted to buy Randolph, no bids received so he saw out his contract. It was the same with Gillespie.

Yes we signed them for nothing but at the time Motherwell was probably the best deal both of them had on offer, so if nobody else  thinks they are worth a punt then you  can't blame the clubs business model if they see out their contracts and leave for free

[C&A not the shop 24]

Randolph was given several contract extensions probably at wages higher than we should really have been paying on the assumption that someone would come in for him, same with Hutchinson.

The fact that no one did was a reflection on the english clubs scouting system at the time. That appears to have changed and theres now a realisation at some clubs that there are bargains to he had buying from non old firm SPL clubs.

[grizzlyg 328]

4 hours ago, Stu92 said:

Is the business model not partly about getting players that should/could be playing at a higher level, and give them a platform to put themselves in the shop window? I'd say it's working spot on in that respect.

Yep totally agree its giving them a platform but I wouldn't say it worked if we then get no return.  And before folk start having a go I know it has worked  ie. Louis....Johnson....Kipre and others. It is just my own opinion..COYW

[ropy 558]

38 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

Yep totally agree its giving them a platform but I wouldn't say it worked if we then get no return.  And before folk start having a go I know it has worked  ie. Louis....Johnson....Kipre and others. It is just my own opinion..COYW

The return is anything we achieved while they were here. 

[weeyin 3,469]

12 minutes ago, ropy said:

The return is anything we achieved while they were here. 

Exactly.

While part of the model is to develop players we can sell on, that won't (and can't) be the case for every player we develop or sign. First and foremost we need players that will perform in the first team every week. Professional football is supposed to provide entertainment, not shopping.

If we sign a player for free and they contribute for a couple of years before moving on, then that was value for money. Same as when any of the rest of us change jobs without our ex employer receving a transfer fee.

[Andy_P 1,678]

1 hour ago, grizzlyg said:

Yep totally agree its giving them a platform but I wouldn't say it worked if we then get no return.  And before folk start having a go I know it has worked  ie. Louis....Johnson....Kipre and others. It is just my own opinion..COYW

 It would seem from this topic and previous posts about the Academy that the model is only successful if every player signed results in a sale and there has to be an Academy player first team ready to slot in as and when required.

That is some bar you're setting Grizzly!

 

[Stu92 79]

Using the same criteria of 'sign for free' and 'sell for free', Bigirimana was a more successful signing than both Premiership goalies combined.

[Electric Blues 162]

1 hour ago, Stu92 said:

Using the same criteria of 'sign for free' and 'sell for free', Bigirimana was a more successful signing than both Premiership goalies combined.

Reduction ad absurdum