fizoxy Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Don't joke about this, my wages are still getting garnished for singing happy birthday in a taxi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Up For It! Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Just... Honest tae fuck!!! Joke in there somewhere about what do internet forums, taxi drivers, email marketing and copyright law have in common! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Notorious poster suggests copyrighting clapping. People still think he's being serious. I'm a fan of his work. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yassin Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 I'm away down to the British Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai to copyright Twist and Shout before somebody else steals it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMWellfan Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Usual gibbering by people that don't have a clue. This very day two of my colleagues are making a fortune from what I described. One of them sold out his company at the age of twenty-four and is now traveling the world. Shall we ask the experts or listen to you clueless clowns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMWellfan Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Even if you wanted to take this seriously, the writers of a song are granted copyright automatically. The writers were not the club. Was a very entertaining post though, even if I'd expect a digital marketing guru to know something about copyright. You do know how musical copyright works, huh? Clearly not. Otherwise you wouldn't have posted such wilful stupidity. The club should apply for it, it will either be granted, or it won't be. As for your digital marketing comment, I deal with copyright infringement and plagiarism issues several times a year. Have you ever? even once in your life? Would you know where to start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemunster Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Do you have many leather bound books? Does your office smell of a rich mahogany? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggischomper Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 I can't wait for the season to start 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Made Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 As for your digital marketing comment, I deal with copyright infringement and plagiarism issues several times a year. So are you a taxi driver, marketing guru or a lawyer.... I seem to see you have a different career every time you post.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Up For It! Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 As for your digital marketing comment, I deal with copyright infringement and plagiarism issues several times a year. Have you ever? even once in your life? Would you know where to start? I tend to deal with it every other week at the least. Can safely say, your talking shite. (Again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMWellfan Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 I tend to deal with it every other week at the least. Can safely say, your talking shite. (Again). Prove it. Give us a written description of how you deal with a copyright issue every other week at least. What's involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMWellfan Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 All the club has to do is to make a simple phone call to a copyright law specialist to get an initial opinion. If it gets knocked back, fine. If there are grounds for copyright, the club should go for it and retain the rights for COMMERCIAL USE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn_Broomfield Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 The origin is very much disputed. Seattle Sounders fans claim they've been doing it since 2001... I'm sure Yanks would've been all over copyright of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuwell Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Did we not copy it from Odense? I'm sure they did it at the away game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Up For It! Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Prove it. Give us a written description of how you deal with a copyright issue every other week at least. What's involved? You were the one who brought it up...where is your proof, or have we just to bow down to your expertise as an globetrotting, former taxi-driver, marketing guru?? But hey, I'll entertain you... The company I work for currently holds copyright on over 200 separate products, which in my role as Marketing & CRM Manager I have to manage. Additionally we also have over 1500 images of the products which we own artistic copyright on automatically as well as virtual renders, videos and 360º images. Not to mention the promotional materials, instructions, brochures, etc. While the product design infringement is less frequent an issue, the use of the images is not. Our competitors will regularly use them and part of my job is to monitor there use online. In the case of where unauthorised use is identified, I serve a copyright notice to the parties involved. Most of the time, that serves as a deterrent and the images are removed. When this is unsuccessful I then make a claim under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act to the hosting site who will always act and remove the images. If we get to this point, or indeed if it is a repeat offender, I will pass their details to our legal team who will pursue damages - something that they have succeeded on in numerous occasions, with one company being fined £45,000 earlier this year. On top of that, I studied copyright quite intensively at University as part of my course and it featured heavily when undertaking my CIM accreditation. As someone who maintains a freelance portfolio, it is something I have advised on a great deal as well. As you have been told, the club did not create the viking chant and first step of copyright protection is proving without a shadow of a doubt that you created it followed by a process that allows counter claims to be made if applicable. Once granted, to prove copyright you have to have someone accountable for the breach. As mentioned, a crowd of fans chanting/singing a song does not make the club they support liable for the action of individuals, and unless they can identify the individual at fault (ie not a crowd, the person who started the chant) action is simply impossible. This utter minefield is the reason clubs much larger than us don't seek copyright on songs. It's a non-starter. Furthermore, for the club to even investigate this avenue would costs a great deal of money in legal fees which would be wasted. Much better spent on e-mail marketing, no?! Or at least the playing budget. To conclude, your grasp of copyright laws is clearly, in my honest opinion from a wealth of experience, incorrect. Once again, you have opened your mouth without any knowledge to back it up, and that is why you are constantly called out on it. However, I would be most delighted to hear how you deal with plagiarism/copyright a few times per year?! Going forward, I'd be more than happy for you to pass any of your "marketing guru" ideas pass me for some fact checking in a PM before you post for to save yourself the embarrassment of looking like an idiot (again). 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Up For It! Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 As a side point to get us back on topic... If/when we get a new mascot, the club could potentially copyright that but only if they agree full ownership with whoever designs them. A few clubs have copyright on their mascots and sell merchandise under there design. Again though, for me would be a bit pointless as don't imagine a club would want to copy our mascot as they will probably use their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 I have no idea whether or not we could copyright it, but what would give Motherwell FC the rights to it anyway even if it were possible? Surely any rights, financial benefits and privileges would belong to the bois, or whatever they call themselves these days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rambunctious Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 You were the one who brought it up...where is your proof, or have we just to bow down to your expertise as an globetrotting, former taxi-driver, marketing guru?? But hey, I'll entertain you... The company I work for currently holds copyright on over 200 separate products, which in my role as Marketing & CRM Manager I have to manage. Additionally we also have over 1500 images of the products which we own artistic copyright on automatically as well as virtual renders, videos and 360º images. Not to mention the promotional materials, instructions, brochures, etc. While the product design infringement is less frequent an issue, the use of the images is not. Our competitors will regularly use them and part of my job is to monitor there use online. In the case of where unauthorised use is identified, I serve a copyright notice to the parties involved. Most of the time, that serves as a deterrent and the images are removed. When this is unsuccessful I then make a claim under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act to the hosting site who will always act and remove the images. If we get to this point, or indeed if it is a repeat offender, I will pass their details to our legal team who will pursue damages - something that they have succeeded on in numerous occasions, with one company being fined £45,000 earlier this year. On top of that, I studied copyright quite intensively at University as part of my course and it featured heavily when undertaking my CIM accreditation. As someone who maintains a freelance portfolio, it is something I have advised on a great deal as well. As you have been told, the club did not create the viking chant and first step of copyright protection is proving without a shadow of a doubt that you created it followed by a process that allows counter claims to be made if applicable. Once granted, to prove copyright you have to have someone accountable for the breach. As mentioned, a crowd of fans chanting/singing a song does not make the club they support liable for the action of individuals, and unless they can identify the individual at fault (ie not a crowd, the person who started the chant) action is simply impossible. This utter minefield is the reason clubs much larger than us don't seek copyright on songs. It's a non-starter. Furthermore, for the club to even investigate this avenue would costs a great deal of money in legal fees which would be wasted. Much better spent on e-mail marketing, no?! Or at least the playing budget. To conclude, your grasp of copyright laws is clearly, in my honest opinion from a wealth of experience, incorrect. Once again, you have opened your mouth without any knowledge to back it up, and that is why you are constantly called out on it. However, I would be most delighted to hear how you deal with plagiarism/copyright a few times per year?! Going forward, I'd be more than happy for you to pass any of your "marketing guru" ideas pass me for some fact checking in a PM before you post for to save yourself the embarrassment of looking like an idiot (again). I look forward to CMWellfan telling you how you are rubbish at your job and how your company should have gotten £1million from the fine earlier this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMWellfan Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 I have no idea whether or not we could copyright it, but what would give Motherwell FC the rights to it anyway even if it were possible? Surely any rights, financial benefits and privileges would belong to the bois, or whatever they call themselves these days. AS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dezz Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 That's as big a 'Telt' I've seen in a while from Well Up For It. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMWellfan Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 You were the one who brought it up...where is your proof, or have we just to bow down to your expertise as an globetrotting, former taxi-driver, marketing guru?? But hey, I'll entertain you... The company I work for currently holds copyright on over 200 separate products, which in my role as Marketing & CRM Manager I have to manage. Additionally we also have over 1500 images of the products which we own artistic copyright on automatically as well as virtual renders, videos and 360º images. Not to mention the promotional materials, instructions, brochures, etc. While the product design infringement is less frequent an issue, the use of the images is not. Our competitors will regularly use them and part of my job is to monitor there use online. In the case of where unauthorised use is identified, I serve a copyright notice to the parties involved. Most of the time, that serves as a deterrent and the images are removed. When this is unsuccessful I then make a claim under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act to the hosting site who will always act and remove the images. If we get to this point, or indeed if it is a repeat offender, I will pass their details to our legal team who will pursue damages - something that they have succeeded on in numerous occasions, with one company being fined £45,000 earlier this year. On top of that, I studied copyright quite intensively at University as part of my course and it featured heavily when undertaking my CIM accreditation. As someone who maintains a freelance portfolio, it is something I have advised on a great deal as well. As you have been told, the club did not create the viking chant and first step of copyright protection is proving without a shadow of a doubt that you created it followed by a process that allows counter claims to be made if applicable. Once granted, to prove copyright you have to have someone accountable for the breach. As mentioned, a crowd of fans chanting/singing a song does not make the club they support liable for the action of individuals, and unless they can identify the individual at fault (ie not a crowd, the person who started the chant) action is simply impossible. This utter minefield is the reason clubs much larger than us don't seek copyright on songs. It's a non-starter. Furthermore, for the club to even investigate this avenue would costs a great deal of money in legal fees which would be wasted. Much better spent on e-mail marketing, no?! Or at least the playing budget. To conclude, your grasp of copyright laws is clearly, in my honest opinion from a wealth of experience, incorrect. Once again, you have opened your mouth without any knowledge to back it up, and that is why you are constantly called out on it. However, I would be most delighted to hear how you deal with plagiarism/copyright a few times per year?! Going forward, I'd be more than happy for you to pass any of your "marketing guru" ideas pass me for some fact checking in a PM before you post for to save yourself the embarrassment of looking like an idiot (again). Hold on, I'm just checking your post for plagiarism You were the one who brought it up...where is your proof, or have we just to bow down to your expertise as an globetrotting, former taxi-driver, marketing guru?? But hey, I'll entertain you... The company I work for currently holds copyright on over 200 separate products, which in my role as Marketing & CRM Manager I have to manage. Additionally we also have over 1500 images of the products which we own artistic copyright on automatically as well as virtual renders, videos and 360º images. Not to mention the promotional materials, instructions, brochures, etc. While the product design infringement is less frequent an issue, the use of the images is not. Our competitors will regularly use them and part of my job is to monitor there use online. In the case of where unauthorised use is identified, I serve a copyright notice to the parties involved. Most of the time, that serves as a deterrent and the images are removed. When this is unsuccessful I then make a claim under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act to the hosting site who will always act and remove the images. If we get to this point, or indeed if it is a repeat offender, I will pass their details to our legal team who will pursue damages - something that they have succeeded on in numerous occasions, with one company being fined £45,000 earlier this year. On top of that, I studied copyright quite intensively at University as part of my course and it featured heavily when undertaking my CIM accreditation. As someone who maintains a freelance portfolio, it is something I have advised on a great deal as well. As you have been told, the club did not create the viking chant and first step of copyright protection is proving without a shadow of a doubt that you created it followed by a process that allows counter claims to be made if applicable. Once granted, to prove copyright you have to have someone accountable for the breach. As mentioned, a crowd of fans chanting/singing a song does not make the club they support liable for the action of individuals, and unless they can identify the individual at fault (ie not a crowd, the person who started the chant) action is simply impossible. This utter minefield is the reason clubs much larger than us don't seek copyright on songs. It's a non-starter. Furthermore, for the club to even investigate this avenue would costs a great deal of money in legal fees which would be wasted. Much better spent on e-mail marketing, no?! Or at least the playing budget. To conclude, your grasp of copyright laws is clearly, in my honest opinion from a wealth of experience, incorrect. Once again, you have opened your mouth without any knowledge to back it up, and that is why you are constantly called out on it. However, I would be most delighted to hear how you deal with plagiarism/copyright a few times per year?! Going forward, I'd be more than happy for you to pass any of your "marketing guru" ideas pass me for some fact checking in a PM before you post for to save yourself the embarrassment of looking like an idiot (again). Similar to your good self I have to constantly check content supplied to me from various sources, including authors, article writers, and content creators to ensure that among other things they are not lifting articles direct from published sources. You will be familiar with the tools required to run said checks. You will also be familiar with the curse of content spinning. You'll be pleased to hear that I just ran your post through a few plagiarism checks and you returned a score of 93% original. I have no doubt if you concentrated you could improve on that figure. I own more copyrights than I care to mention on this forum. One of the scourges of copyright is piracy, as you know. I recently had a case where a pirate operation raised a complaint because I shut down a website they relied upon for content. Hilarious, huh? You'll be fully aware of the damage these pirate operations can do to original content creators. You will also be aware that the major internet operators are all over that like a rash. I won't insult you by telling you how. Re-read your post - you may even have to sleep on it and come back to it. What a glaring error you have made for someone that is supposedly a copyright specialist. Laughable. In fact - Idiotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMWellfan Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 That's as big a 'Telt' I've seen in a while from Well Up For It. You know, it really isn't. In his rush to mouth off, he has just green-lighted the merchandising idea. Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Up For It! Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Hold on, I'm just checking your post for plagiarism Hold on, I'm checking your post for bullshit. Yep, as thought. 100%. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan83 Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Hold on, I'm just checking your post for plagiarism Similar to your good self I have to constantly check content supplied to me from various sources, including authors, article writers, and content creators to ensure that among other things they are not lifting articles direct from published sources. You will be familiar with the tools required to run said checks. You will also be familiar with the curse of content spinning. You'll be pleased to hear that I just ran your post through a few plagiarism checks and you returned a score of 93% original. I have no doubt if you concentrated you could improve on that figure. I own more copyrights than I care to mention on this forum. One of the scourges of copyright is piracy, as you know. I recently had a case where a pirate operation raised a complaint because I shut down a website they relied upon for content. Hilarious, huh? You'll be fully aware of the damage these pirate operations can do to original content creators. You will also be aware that the major internet operators are all over that like a rash. I won't insult you by telling you how. Re-read your post - you may even have to sleep on it and come back to it. What a glaring error you have made for someone that is supposedly a copyright specialist. Laughable. In fact - Idiotic. It really isn't hard to check for plagiarism! Most student now submit their work through a similar check, you make it sound like you are one of on,y a few people able to perform this check, but that is not the case! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 I think someone also needs reminded that we all "own more copyrights than I care to mention". Mainly because anything original any of us have ever written is automatically granted copyright. In fact, this post has probably added one more to my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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