ONeils40yarder Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Take a look at a few of these goalkeepers sent off in very similar circumstances to Carson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
middleeastdave Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Did we officially appeal Dunne's red card from Ross County game? According to Bill Leckie we did as that was the only reason he was playing on Saturday. I am not sure on what basis we can appeal that red card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellowell Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Bill Leckie wrong as would miss Aberdeen cup tie not next league game but we did appeal it yes so would have played on Saturday whether appealed or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmsd Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 I thought if you have 2 bookings and sent off you miss nxt cup game ! if it was a straight red was in not the next game ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilwell86 Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 it's all well and good blaming Carson in this situation but Kipre should that put the ball into row Z long before it even gave Carson a decision to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Thompson is an incompetent arse but my biggest annoyance is at Carson/Kipre and especially McHugh. If those guys make better decisions the ref/linesman has no decision to make and who knows how the game would've panned out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Take a look at a few of these goalkeepers sent off in very similar circumstances to Carson. Normally agree with you O'Neil but not here. In many of the examples the keeper saved an attempt on goal and in the vast majority of cases the attacking player either hit the ball goalwards or was in control of the ball. Wotherspoon neither hit the ball goalwards nor was in control of it. Our appeal, if we make one, may be rejected for a variety of reasons, but I think its strong enough to submit one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellowell Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 You only miss next game if sent off in cup if violent conduct any other red stays for that tournament only . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggischomper Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Bill Leckie? Wrong? Goodness gracious me!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texanwellfan Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 I think it's time to put this thread to bed and start the new one for Saturday's game against County Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coop91 Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 I think it's time to put this thread to bed and start the new one for Saturday's game against Countyagreed. There ain't really anymore to be said on the subject until such times as an appeal or 3 go in. Then we can all moan like **** again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stv Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Some will.... more than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Leave the thread open for those that want to discuss the game 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 TV clearly showed Thomson on his mic asking his linesman whether the ball was in or outside the line. This was highlighted on Sportscene last night from a camera view behind the goal. The linesman got it spot on. Should it have been a red? probably not. However, Carson should have booted the ball into row Z. This would be the linesman who never flagged so I assume never saw an issue and the decision given by Thompson who was further away behind the ball and 2 players so he had a great view,aye right. It all right being a bit smug and told you so from zoomed in stils from the TV, and forensic analysis of alleged conversations between match officials, but in real time could Thompson have Been 100% sure no, and as for the red card Google FIFA laws of the game rule 12 as it should never have been a red, I have pasted the relevant parts below. Deliberate Handball in Football Does handball in football have to be deliberate? If a player 'handles the ball deliberately' the opposing team gets a free kick or a penalty (if the offense happened inside the penalty area). The rule does not apply to a goalkeeper* handling it inside his own area. There are extra directives reminding referees about this rule infringement. It does not normally require a caution card or dismissal for a player deliberately handling the ball. The tricky part of determining the intention rests solely with the referee. Note the line about does not normally require a caption or red card. The bottom line is that Thompson is a useless incompetent arsehole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 The red card was surely for a goal scoring opportunity. If Wotherspoon gets to the ball he has a shot at an empty net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 As for, is it a red or a yellow? For me, its as clear a 'denial of a goalscoring opportunity' as you'll ever see, hes grabbed hold of a ball that a striker is attempting to get on the end of, to kick into an empty net. It was a stonewall red card. He handles outside the box. It's definitely a goal scoring opportunity because if he lets it run by him Witherspoon has an empty net. Its not often I agree with you Stu... ...I've seen folk suggesting it was arc'd over the 18 yard line like we see at corner kicks, and I've seen suggestions that it wasn't a clear goalscoring opportunity that he prevented with his hands outside the box...we will make a fool of ourselves, by running with either line of defence. It was a red all day long The red card was surely for a goal scoring opportunity. If Wotherspoon gets to the ball he has a shot at an empty net. This, a million times this. I can't believe folk don't think it was a red card. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 Where's the keeper vanished to like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingu Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 Just caught up with Sportscene. I don't understand how anyone can be defending McHugh...two rash challenges. The other two, Carson is outside the box, and Dunne didn't touch him. Regardless, some absolute comedy defending from Tait Dunne and Kipre which will need to be sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Made Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 Wish Thomson had been wearing the camera, we might have got to see his view of both incidents. https://twitter.com/FootyVines/status/897215743921717249 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 Its not often I agree with you Stu... Eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 Normally agree with you O'Neil but not here. In many of the examples the keeper saved an attempt on goal and in the vast majority of cases the attacking player either hit the ball goalwards or was in control of the ball. Wotherspoon neither hit the ball goalwards nor was in control of it. Our appeal, if we make one, may be rejected for a variety of reasons, but I think its strong enough to submit one. The only reason our keeper picked the ball up before it got into the box was because he feared that, the St Johnstone player was going to nick the ball ahead of him/Kipre and have a free shot on goal...he deliberately stopped him doing that by picking up the ball, outside the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
middleeastdave Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 I see they are appealing both Carson and Dunne's red cards, I assume they have taken advice from someone that thinks Carson's was not a red card e.g. An ex referee. They could also think of Scott Brown's red card being downgraded to a yellow, this should be a benchmark for all teams, but I doubt that will happen. Personally I think we could live with Griffiths in goals unless he gets injured or sent off!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 The only reason our keeper picked the ball up before it got into the box was because he feared that, the St Johnstone player was going to nick the ball ahead of him/Kipre and have a free shot on goal...he deliberately stopped him doing that by picking up the ball, outside the box. You might be right but how would Thomson know that unless Carson admitted that openly to him? He can't make a decision based on what he thinks a player was thinking. To make the decision he did he must have made several big assumptions 1) Wotherspoon would have won the ball 2) He would have beaten Carson's challenge 3) He would also have beaten Kipre's challenge. 4) Having won the ball and beaten both Kipre and Carson no other Motherwell player ie Heneghan, who was also nearby, would have restricted his opportunity on goal. In short he cannot have been anything like 100% certain that we denied a clear goalscoring opportunity for Wotherspoon. Just noticed too before Carson's poor kick out a St Johnstone player pushes Heneghan, I think, off the park - a soft foul yes but one nonetheless. From other posters, I believe we have appealed this red card but can't find any sources. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numpty Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 From other posters, I believe we have appealed this red card but can't find any sources. Robinson said so in his MFC TV interview after the game, though that was probably just stating his intention to do so at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 You might be right but how would Thomson know that unless Carson admitted that openly to him? He can't make a decision based on what he thinks a player was thinking. To make the decision he did he must have made several big assumptions 1) Wotherspoon would have won the ball 2) He would have beaten Carson's challenge 3) He would also have beaten Kipre's challenge. 4) Having won the ball and beaten both Kipre and Carson no other Motherwell player ie Heneghan, who was also nearby, would have restricted his opportunity on goal. In short he cannot have been anything like 100% certain that we denied a clear goalscoring opportunity for Wotherspoon. Just noticed too before Carson's poor kick out a St Johnstone player pushes Heneghan, I think, off the park - a soft foul yes but one nonetheless. From other posters, I believe we have appealed this red card but can't find any sources. The only thing he needs to be convinced of is, did the goalkeeper pick the ball up outside or inside the box, with an attacker bearing down on him. I've not watched the highlights other than our 3 sendings off, so can't comment on any other aspects of the match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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