weeyin Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 hours ago, David said: Players heading for retirement? Such as 29 year old Giovani Dos Santos, Sebastian Giovinco who's been at Toronto since he was 28, Diego Valeri, Sebastian Blanco, Carlos Vela, Andre Horta etc? All names that could walk into any side bar Celtic perhaps in the SPFL. You do still get the odd "big name" past his best heading to the league, but the overall level is higher than the stuff we see in the SPFL I think. Maybe not 5 years ago, but definitely now. Not that such an assessment should be seen as a slight on our league, as the US is a massive place with more money, so it makes sense that they have a product on the up. Do you think those cherry picked names moved there for the high quality of the league? Here's the roster for the team Rose is joining. It's a fairly typical list. 30-man Active Roster (Spots 1-30) Aja, Jose Bevan, Myer Blondell, Anthony Colyn, Simon Davies, Alphonso De Jong, Marcel Dominguez, Roberto Emnes, Marvin Franklin, Sean Ghazal, Aly Henry, Doneil Hurtado, Erik Juarez, Efrain Kamara, Kei Levis, Brett Marinovic, Stefan Martins, Felipe Maund, Aaron Melvin, Sean Mezquida, Nicolas Mutch, Jordon Nerwinski, Jake Norman Jr., David Reyna, Yordy Richey, Spencer Rowe, Brian Shea, Brek Techera, Cristian Teibert, Russell Waston, Kendall The New York Red Bulls are another typical example. A host of recent college age kids 18, 21, 22 years old etc. a few in their mid 20s and a 33 year old Bradley Wright-Phillips. Regardless of the make-up of the teams, however, the games just aren't that entertaining. I don't know what the root cause is, but there is something lacking that makes them mostly unwatchable to me. Zlatan scoring against Real Salt Lake just doesn't cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 hours ago, David said: Players heading for retirement? Such as 29 year old Giovani Dos Santos, Sebastian Giovinco who's been at Toronto since he was 28, Diego Valeri, Sebastian Blanco, Carlos Vela, Andre Horta etc? All names that could walk into any side bar Celtic perhaps in the SPFL. You do still get the odd "big name" past his best heading to the league, but the overall level is higher than the stuff we see in the SPFL I think. Maybe not 5 years ago, but definitely now. Not that such an assessment should be seen as a slight on our league, as the US is a massive place with more money, so it makes sense that they have a product on the up. You could rhyme off names all day long but it does not detract from the fact that the standard in the MLS is garbage, yes they have big crowds, lots of cash etc but the teams are filled in the most part with 2nd rate players from established footballing nations and young home grown talent who are probably equally as average if not worse. The USA / Canada does not take football seriously they call it soccer FFS, they paying public don't understand it, if we ever start to see homegrown American/ Canadian players breaking through and becoming a common site in the top European leagues then that may change but until then it's a well paid poor quality league that makes players like Rose look better than they actually are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Quote if we ever start to see homegrown American/ Canadian players breaking through and becoming a common site in the top European leagues then that may change but until then it's a well paid poor quality league that makes players like Rose look better than they actually are. There's not many Scottish players in top European leagues either. I watched highlights from their cup semis and final on Youtube just there. It looked better than anything in the 270+ minutes of LC semis and final I watched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 US television channels are the best in the world at highlights packages as most of their sports consist of commercials interrupted by the odd burst of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Well off topic here. Rose was not good enough for what we need out of a midfielder in our current team set up. Works for him to go back to MLS. End. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyMax Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Spiderpig said: You could rhyme off names all day long but it does not detract from the fact that the standard in the MLS is garbage, yes they have big crowds, lots of cash etc but the teams are filled in the most part with 2nd rate players from established footballing nations and young home grown talent who are probably equally as average if not worse. The USA / Canada does not take football seriously they call it soccer FFS, they paying public don't understand it, if we ever start to see homegrown American/ Canadian players breaking through and becoming a common site in the top European leagues then that may change but until then it's a well paid poor quality league that makes players like Rose look better than they actually are. I can easily refute that argument. I give you...........Clint Dempsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettywulliegrew-2 Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 9 hours ago, Spiderpig said: You could rhyme off names all day long but it does not detract from the fact that the standard in the MLS is garbage, yes they have big crowds, lots of cash etc but the teams are filled in the most part with 2nd rate players from established footballing nations and young home grown talent who are probably equally as average if not worse. The USA / Canada does not take football seriously they call it soccer FFS, they paying public don't understand it, if we ever start to see homegrown American/ Canadian players breaking through and becoming a common site in the top European leagues then that may change but until then it's a well paid poor quality league that makes players like Rose look better than they actually are. Is Andy Rose not born Australian but brought up in UK and I'm sure we signed him from Coventry City ???????? Not a big fan of watching MLS ........mainly down to shocking commentary/terminology !!! Soccer is a big participation sport over in Central North America and I'm sure there are currently 10-20 yanks playing at the top level in Europe.....mainly Germany and England and have been for many years Quality in your opinion may be garbage and I know the USA national teams World Cup qualification is a lot easier than ours..........but they have done something we have never done got by the group stage We better watch they don't steal our recruitment model........English lower/non league .........Motherwell or Minnesota/Montreal... I know where I'd be heading I was never good at rounders......Rose is offski......hopefully followed by a couple more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettywulliegrew-2 Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 USMNT PLAYERS ABROAD Player Club League Adams, Tyler RB Leipzig Bundesliga Alvarado, Ventura Necaxa Liga MX Bornstein, Jonathan Maccabi Netanya Israeli Premier League Boyd, Terrence Darmstadt Bundesliga Brooks, John Wolfsburg Bundesliga Cameron, Geoff QPR Championship Carter-Vickers, Cameron Ipswich Town Championship Chandler, Timmy Eintracht Bundesliga Corona, Joe Club America Liga MX Diskerud, Mix Ulsan Hyundai K-League Gonzalez, Omar Atlas Liga MX Gooch, Lynden Sunderland League One Green, Julian SpVgg Greuther Furth 2.Bundesliga Gyau, Joe Duisburg 2.Bundesliga Horvath, Ethan Club Brugge Pro League Hyndman, Emerson Hibernian SPL Johannsson, Aron Werder Bremen Bundesliga Johnson, Fabian Gladbach Bundesliga Kitchen, Perry Randers Superliga Lichaj, Eric Hull City Championship McKennie, Weston Schalke Bundesliga Miazga, Matt Nantes Ligue 1 Moore, Shaq Reus La Liga 2 Morales, Alfredo Fortuna Dusseldorf Bundesliga Novakovich, Andrija Fortuna Sittard Eredivisie Orozco, Michael Lobos BUAP Liga MX Palmer-Brown, Erik NAC Breda Eredivisie Pulisic, Christian Borussia Dortmund Bundesliga Ream, Tim Fulham EPL Robinson, Antonee Wigan Championship Rubin, Rubio Tijuana Liga MX Saif, Kenny Anderlecht Belgium First Division A Stanko, Caleb Freiburg Bundesliga Torres, Jose Puebla Liga MX Weah, Tim PSG Ligue 1 Williams, Danny Huddersfield EPL Wood, Bobby Hannover 96 Bundesliga Wooten, Andrew Sandhausen 2.Bundesliga Yedlin, DeAndre Newcastle United Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yassin Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 I'm not really sure how the quality of American players abroad is supposed to correlate with the standard of the MLS tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 Are we signing any of these players in January? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiddy Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 think we are signing a Chinese striker wan wan kur quite pacy and good at pulling off the last man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 2 hours ago, superward said: Are we signing any of these players in January? Thats my question too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzyB Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 It's an interesting debate, don't spoil it by greeting about it not being in the right thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, GazzyB said: It's an interesting debate, don't spoil it by greeting about it not being in the right thread. That's up for debate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 16 hours ago, Pettywulliegrew-2 said: USMNT PLAYERS ABROAD Player Club League Adams, Tyler RB Leipzig Bundesliga Alvarado, Ventura Necaxa Liga MX Bornstein, Jonathan Maccabi Netanya Israeli Premier League Boyd, Terrence Darmstadt Bundesliga Brooks, John Wolfsburg Bundesliga Cameron, Geoff QPR Championship Carter-Vickers, Cameron Ipswich Town Championship Chandler, Timmy Eintracht Bundesliga Corona, Joe Club America Liga MX Diskerud, Mix Ulsan Hyundai K-League Gonzalez, Omar Atlas Liga MX Gooch, Lynden Sunderland League One Green, Julian SpVgg Greuther Furth 2.Bundesliga Gyau, Joe Duisburg 2.Bundesliga Horvath, Ethan Club Brugge Pro League Hyndman, Emerson Hibernian SPL Johannsson, Aron Werder Bremen Bundesliga Johnson, Fabian Gladbach Bundesliga Kitchen, Perry Randers Superliga Lichaj, Eric Hull City Championship McKennie, Weston Schalke Bundesliga Miazga, Matt Nantes Ligue 1 Moore, Shaq Reus La Liga 2 Morales, Alfredo Fortuna Dusseldorf Bundesliga Novakovich, Andrija Fortuna Sittard Eredivisie Orozco, Michael Lobos BUAP Liga MX Palmer-Brown, Erik NAC Breda Eredivisie Pulisic, Christian Borussia Dortmund Bundesliga Ream, Tim Fulham EPL Robinson, Antonee Wigan Championship Rubin, Rubio Tijuana Liga MX Saif, Kenny Anderlecht Belgium First Division A Stanko, Caleb Freiburg Bundesliga Torres, Jose Puebla Liga MX Weah, Tim PSG Ligue 1 Williams, Danny Huddersfield EPL Wood, Bobby Hannover 96 Bundesliga Wooten, Andrew Sandhausen 2.Bundesliga Yedlin, DeAndre Newcastle United Make a list for Scotland National Team as well? Although it really doesn't say anything about the domestic league if all their players are outwith their league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 On 12/13/2018 at 5:09 PM, Wellfan1984 said: Make a list for Scotland National Team as well? Although it really doesn't say anything about the domestic league if all their players are outwith their league Would be interesting to see how many of those players listed are regular 1st team starters and not just fringe squad players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 On 12/12/2018 at 2:58 PM, weeyin said: Do you think those cherry picked names moved there for the high quality of the league? Like the majority of footballers they moved there for the money and the quality of life that North America offers. Why do you think the higher paid players at Rangers and Celtic come here? For the quality of our league? On 12/12/2018 at 2:58 PM, weeyin said: Regardless of the make-up of the teams, however, the games just aren't that entertaining. Yes, in your opinion. I wonder how many people outside of Scotland are entertained by the quality of product we see on a weekly basis? On 12/12/2018 at 4:25 PM, Spiderpig said: You could rhyme off names all day long but it does not detract from the fact that the standard in the MLS is garbage, yes they have big crowds, lots of cash etc but the teams are filled in the most part with 2nd rate players from established footballing nations and young home grown talent who are probably equally as average if not worse. You need to realise, I'm not saying that the standard in MLS is great, I'm simply saying that it's less garbage than the standard in Scotland. Of course, you're invested in the Scottish game so you don't see it as a neutral, which is how you see MLS. Ask any neutral if they think the standard of a regular SPFL game is higher than mediocre at best. My point isn't that MLS is fantastic, my point was that Andy Rose is moving to a team where he'll play in front of much larger crowds, make more money, train in better facilities, come up against some higher quality of players than he ever will with us, and most likely enjoy a higher quality of life. It's a no-brainer of a move for someone who isn't attached to either Motherwell or Scotland really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 3 hours ago, David said: You need to realise, I'm not saying that the standard in MLS is great, I'm simply saying that it's less garbage than the standard in Scotland. You're saying that Scottish football is garbage or rubbish (in UK english? If so, what are you comparing it with? For some years now fans' general expectations have become more and more unrealistic. When I say that I'm not referring to one teams ups and downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said: You're saying that Scottish football is garbage or rubbish (in UK english? If so, what are you comparing it with? For some years now fans' general expectations have become more and more unrealistic. When I say that I'm not referring to one teams ups and downs. Look, I'm invested in Scottish football, same as everyone else here, but I'm under no illusions that for a viewer who has no vested interest in any of the teams it would be akin to me watching an English League One or League Two game. I wouldn't open my curtains if there was an EFL League Two game taking place in my garden, which is how I'm sure most non-Scottish team supporting fans feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 You get some decent games but the amount of time the ball is on the air or out of play is high compared to other leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 And I'm not saying that our league should be better than MLS. I wouldn't expect it to be, we're a small country and financially our game is miles behind. Me saying that moving to MLS from Motherwell is a step up isn't intended as a put-down to us or our league, it's just a fact I think. More money, bigger crowds, better facilities, playing against some top names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haggischomper Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 Hope people on here have taped the Celtic game during the week. No, I'm all out of tapes Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmcalpin Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 Its interesting that Robbo is saying that Andy's Rose January departure has been known for some time and has been factored into our budget ie there's no cash being freed up. He wasn't even on the bench yesterday. Its likely that Jake Hastie will be returning from Alloa. Significantly though he acknowledges our lack of pace and width and has identified some targets, subject to cash being available.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 I just hope he isn't looking to try and convert a good winger into an average wing-back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superward Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 Writing on the wall for Frear you'd have to say with the recent comments on lack of width and pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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