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The issue seems to be the SPFL advising that they aren't able to do loans/advances when we received a loan/advance last season.

That would also explain why Burrows has been totally silent on this. 

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28 minutes ago, steelboy said:

The issue seems to be the SPFL advising that they aren't able to do loans/advances when we received a loan/advance last season.

That would also explain why Burrows has been totally silent on this. 

That was already explained over a week ago. Here it is again in case you missed it. Not sure how Burrow'asrepeating it would make it any clearer.

"No loan was approved while Ann was on the board of the SPFL.

"What actually happened was in 2016, when Rangers returned to the Premiership, all non-Old Firm clubs budgeted to get three Old Firm games prior to the split.

"Because of a fixture anomaly with Rangers returning in 2016 three clubs actually lost out: Partick Thistle, Hamilton Academical and Motherwell were all given two Old Firm games pre-split rather than the three that they'd budgeted for.

"The board was very sympathetic to the situation that they found themselves in and in those circumstances - bearing in mind that the board approves fee payments to clubs throughout the season - the board decided that in the case of Partick Thistle and Motherwell - Hamilton didn't want to take an earlier fee payment - those two clubs would be entitled to invoice the league for £150,000 each which they got earlier than other clubs in the league.

"At the same time Celtic actually agreed to forego £300,000 of fees that they would have expected to receive at that time.

"So there was no cash flow impact on the league, nor the other nine clubs involved.

"There's a big difference between loans and fee payments.

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So they could do advances last season but not this season? The idea that there is a cash flow impact on the league between the split and the final game is absurd. All the money goes to the clubs and the league doesn't spend any of it. It's arse covering semantics from Doncaster. 

If there was any kind of shortfall in the highly unlikely event that the league resumes and prize monies due change (despite everyone having dug up their pitch) it could surely be resolved by a 12 month bank loan at historic low interest rates until next season's payments.

The fix was in as soon as Celtic's lawyers were allowed to select the only option to put to clubs. Tying the conclusion of the leagues to cash payments completely undermined fairness. 

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3 hours ago, Stu92 said:

Rangers now offering to pay for the investigation should the other clubs vote for it....

In that case, the inquiry would not be independent. He who pays the piper calls the tune.

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56 minutes ago, steelboy said:

So they could do advances last season but not this season? The idea that there is a cash flow impact on the league between the split and the final game is absurd. All the money goes to the clubs and the league doesn't spend any of it. It's arse covering semantics from Doncaster. 

If there was any kind of shortfall in the highly unlikely event that the league resumes and prize monies due change (despite everyone having dug up their pitch) it could surely be resolved by a 12 month bank loan at historic low interest rates until next season's payments.

The fix was in as soon as Celtic's lawyers were allowed to select the only option to put to clubs. Tying the conclusion of the leagues to cash payments completely undermined fairness. 

Motherwell getting money early was dependent on Celtic delaying money that was due to them.  Who was going to give up their dues this time round?

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11 hours ago, ropy said:

Motherwell getting money early was dependent on Celtic delaying money that was due to them.  Who was going to give up their dues this time round?

The SPFL had all the money which was to be paid out in the bank. 

No one would have to give up anything. 

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On 4/12/2020 at 6:42 PM, Brazilian said:

... I still consider Dundee are the Shady characters in this drama

and as the saga finally starts to unfold, it looks like Gardiner of ICT has been playing everyone all along

it did seem very suspicious, his , strong emotional appeals on behalf of Partick when effectively harming his own club

now being reported that he had manipulated clubs before the vote, to secure a counter resolution proposal , to null and void all leagues , and had been using some 'robust influencing' much like he is now crying wolf about.

His history with Rangers and Hearts pretty much screams that he is a stooge , and now that the championship leaders are starting to out him , it only reinforces thoughts that he has been feeding into the dossier , and as ever in the tragic case of Scottish football,  it all appears to come back to at least one of the arse cheeks, in this case ,  Rangers desire for Null and Void  ( and Hearts - as Budge hadnt even seen dossier! but backed it)

the EGM vote is going to be marginal ,  it be nice for it to be brought to a conclusion , and allow some serious discussions about getting ready for a restart , but a vote either way will just leave  parties on either side and the media stoking the unrest

 

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10 hours ago, Brazilian said:

but a vote either way will just leave  parties on either side and the media stoking the unrest

Its already started Iain with the BBC apparently stirring it, by suggesting that if the vote against is close it would put pressure on the SPFL to hold an inquiry anyway?

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30 minutes ago, dennyc said:

https://ictfc.com/club-statement-11
 

You  either believe the Daily Record or ICT. Seems Like  a fairly robust statement. 

Although I'm always a little bit suspicious when I read " I will be speaking publicly later in the week in greater detail on just how far fetched and ridiculous this is. " - why not just give the details now?

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55 minutes ago, weeyin said:

Although I'm always a little bit suspicious when I read " I will be speaking publicly later in the week in greater detail on just how far fetched and ridiculous this is. " - why not just give the details now?

Or maybe the Daily Record could just have asked ICT for a statement before publishing the accusation. Balanced reporting and all that. Then folk can make their mind up. And the releasing of the article on the day of the vote speaks volumes. 

One thing though which does not add up. If the money was split evenly across each Division (as ICT were accused of making possible by “null and void” proposal) why would teams below 5th in PL and 4th in other Divisions be against it? The  likes of Hamilton, Hearts, QoS , Morton , Alloa and numerous others would have gained monies. More teams stood to benefit than lose out. The Standard  payments per position all the way down to 42 are detailed on the SPFL website. But If you read carefully the story is “may” be split evenly. By no means certain and surely that decision is down to the Members?  And did Holland not null and void , no Champions or relegation, but positions counted for cash split and Europe. Nobody disadvantaged due to incomplete season.
 

But I agree there are two factions here, each using their media pals to push their own agenda. 

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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-egm-live-rangers-resolution-22012200

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15:15KEY EVENT

Rangers resolution overwhelmingly defeated

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SPFL clubs have resoundingly rejected a resolution put forward by Rangers to hold an independent investigation into the governing body.

The 42 member teams met via a video call earlier today to discuss the motion in an EGM but the Ibrox club failed to garner enough support to meet the 75 per cent threshold needed.

A total of 13 clubs did vote in favour with the likes of Hearts, Aberdeen, Partick Thistle and Stranraer all previously confirming they would back the call for an independent investigation.

But in the Championship only one club, Inverness, voted for the proposal while nine voted against.

 

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I get the feeling that when the rest of the footballing world finally kicks off, our tin-pot administrators will still be in the process of fighting the court cases from Hearts and Partick Thistle to decide what league they should be in before we can resume.

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1 hour ago, weeyin said:

I get the feeling that when the rest of the footballing world finally kicks off, our tin-pot administrators will still be in the process of fighting the court cases from Hearts and Partick Thistle to decide what league they should be in before we can resume.

A resounding vote against but will Sevco, Partick, Hearts, Falkirk and Inverness now demand an independent inquiry into the vote.:lol: 

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Our club's statement on the vote.

Following the publication of an SPFL EGM vote on a resolution calling for an independent investigation, I set out below how Motherwell FC voted and why we came to that decision.

Firstly, and contrary to various reports in the press, the board did not reach a conclusion until the weekend. This came after we had spent the appropriate time reviewing all the documentation which was supplied to clubs.

As I have said before, the situation we are in has no precedent. So it is no surprise that we are all, from Government down to individuals, struggling to make sense of where we find ourselves and how best we get through. Good answers are not easy to find.

It is against that backdrop that we reviewed the evidence. The key decision the SPFL board took was to propose a resolution to “call” the leagues other than the Premiership, and giving itself the power to do the latter in due course. Their rationale was twofold.

1) It was extremely unlikely this season could be finished.

2) In those circumstances the most important aspect was to protect, as far as possible, next season.

As a club we felt that was the correct decision at the time and it has been confirmed over the past weeks. There are now no credible voices still arguing that the 2019/20 season can be completed.

Did the evidence produced meet the high threshold required to merit an independent review of that decision and indeed an open-ended and unlimited enquiry into the whole corporate governance of the SPFL? In our view it did not.

We also took into account two other factors in our decision not to support the resolution.

Is this the appropriate time to divert resource into an investigation? In our view, it is not and we are surprised by the amount of effort and energy devoted to this topic at a time when Scottish football faces an existential crisis.

Secondly, it is very likely that a large number of clubs will need significant help to get to the other side of this, which might in turn entail accessing money from external sources. The chance of getting that sort of funding is much reduced if we continue to fight in public. For that reason, can we not all come together as a group to try and get the best possible outcome?

If in due course, when we are through this crisis, clubs feel that there should be a review of how the structure and operation of the SPFL could be improved, then we would support that and would be happy to be involved.

Jim McMahon
Chairman

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26 minutes ago, GazzyB said:

That Caley Thistle statement is a belter. Ours is pish.

That's because they are pushing to get promoted (or a chance of promotion) and we are sitting with the prospect of a nice big pay-off in 3rd spot.

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5 hours ago, dennyc said:

Or maybe the Daily Record could just have asked ICT for a statement before publishing the accusation. Balanced reporting and all that. Then folk can make their mind up. And the releasing of the article on the day of the vote speaks volumes. 

One thing though which does not add up. If the money was split evenly across each Division (as ICT were accused of making possible by “null and void” proposal) why would teams below 5th in PL and 4th in other Divisions be against it? The  likes of Hamilton, Hearts, QoS , Morton , Alloa and numerous others would have gained monies. More teams stood to benefit than lose out. The Standard  payments per position all the way down to 42 are detailed on the SPFL website. But If you read carefully the story is “may” be split evenly. By no means certain and surely that decision is down to the Members?  And did Holland not null and void , no Champions or relegation, but positions counted for cash split and Europe. Nobody disadvantaged due to incomplete season.
 

But I agree there are two factions here, each using their media pals to push their own agenda. 

Maybe they did ask Inverness to comment and they refused? I see Morton have come out and agreed with the Daily Record article.

As for null and void I think the vast majority of clubs would be against it as they might be getting an equal share of a much smaller pot depending on what happened with league sponsors etc. Null and void could open a whole can of worms with refunds claimed.

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A null and void would cost clubs a lot of money.  Clubs like ourselves would have to pay the SPFL back so they could pay other clubs in the Premiership all the same (and that is if the partners didn't demand all their money back).  

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On 5/11/2020 at 7:20 AM, steelboy said:

The SPFL had all the money which was to be paid out in the bank. 

No one would have to give up anything. 

Most of the money has been paid out already.  Clubs get money in 4 stages across the season depending on minimum finishing position at that point.  As at the very start of April the only money left was the final payment to be made.  

 

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Accies are not issuing season tickets for next season. PATG for everyone. Make of that what you will.

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1 hour ago, Kmcalpin said:

Accies are not issuing season tickets for next season. PATG for everyone. Make of that what you will.

It will easier for them to pocket some extra cash to add to their dodgy mega-sponsorship deals from companies nobody has ever heard of while moving funds between illegitimate bank accounts and pretending it was stolen?

 

Allegedly.

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2 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:

Accies are not issuing season tickets for next season. PATG for everyone. Make of that what you will.

Morally, the right thing to do...that's not to say they won't have an additional motive though 

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2 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:

Accies are not issuing season tickets for next season. PATG for everyone. Make of that what you will.

I've said it before no one should be selling season tickets when it's not even clear if fans can attend games or even when the season will kick off or what the competition format will be.

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