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Season 2020’21: Game 12: Celtic (H)

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1 hour ago, Yorkyred said:

Yes, it’s easy to blame individuals for the result but for me it comes down to the performance of the whole team. One area failing puts extra pressure on another and when you’re  playing a team of technically better players these mistakes get punished in a way they would not against an inferior team. Celtic really put away just about every chance they got, only Rangers can match that.

To back up this point I am sure I read that St Mirren had 16 shots at goal v Dundee United recently. And NOT ONE on target ! 

Rangers scored 8 goals from 14 shots on target v Hamilton and Celtic 4 goals from 6 on target against us. 

That is why they win so many games and have a positive GD of a squillion come the end of the season.

You could make a strong case to say that Ross County has as many chances on target at Fir Park recently as Celtic yet they score zero goals. 

Defending was not great certainly not for 1st and 3rd goal but for 2nd and 3rd you have to say that is also down to Celtic speed of movement and passing which you only really get against the Old firm. 

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Goal 1.  We gave the ball away but they got luck with the rebound

Goal 2.  Skilful from them but we didn’t track the scorer when he moved in the box

Goal 3. Got to be positioned better to defend a cross, goalie suspect with low balls

Goal 4. Gallagher tracked back with Ntcham but left him to get involved in someone else’s man, had a free shot, goalie no chance but looked weak with the low shot.

we could have done better each time

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Was looking back to Tommy Mcleans time in charge and pretty much every season we took points either win or draws against the old firm.

The gap isn't any bigger between the clubs now as it was then but we regularly managed to take some points, yes we got cuffed occasionally but nothing like the regular pumpings we now take.

Can't be too much to expect a draw or win every 5-6 games against them.  Our approach to how to tackle teams is poor, it's a one size fits all. 

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1 hour ago, wellsince75 said:

Was looking back to Tommy Mcleans time in charge and pretty much every season we took points either win or draws against the old firm.

The gap isn't any bigger between the clubs now as it was then but we regularly managed to take some points, yes we got cuffed occasionally but nothing like the regular pumpings we now take.

Can't be too much to expect a draw or win every 5-6 games against them.  Our approach to how to tackle teams is poor, it's a one size fits all. 

I'd imagine the financial gulf between Motherwell and Celtic is much greater now than it was in the early 90s

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9 hours ago, ropy said:

Goal 1.  We gave the ball away but they got luck with the rebound

Goal 2.  Skilful from them but we didn’t track the scorer when he moved in the box

Goal 3. Got to be positioned better to defend a cross, goalie suspect with low balls

Goal 4. Gallagher tracked back with Ntcham but left him to get involved in someone else’s man, had a free shot, goalie no chance but looked weak with the low shot.

we could have done better each time

A feature of all 4 goals was that Celtic had too much time and space in and on the edge of our penalty box. For example at the 4th goal there was only one of our players who made a half hearted attempt to cover the guy who crossed the ball and no-one closed him down, allowing him to pick out his target.  Had the roles been reversed, Celtic would have had 2 or 3 defenders closing down the player in possession, snapping at his heels and preventing the cross.  An entirely preventable cross, which Gallagher should have had no need to defend.   

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5 hours ago, wellsince75 said:

Was looking back to Tommy Mcleans time in charge and pretty much every season we took points either win or draws against the old firm.

The gap isn't any bigger between the clubs now as it was then but we regularly managed to take some points, yes we got cuffed occasionally but nothing like the regular pumpings we now take.

Can't be too much to expect a draw or win every 5-6 games against them.  Our approach to how to tackle teams is poor, it's a one size fits all. 

TV revenues weren't the same then, the Champions League didn't exist in the way it does now and we regularly got 8,500 average where as Celtic couldn't fill up Hampden when they rented it. We were much closer to them then compared to now.

Bosman and Euro runs beyond Christmas is what opened the gulf and our dwindling attendances because people looked for alternatives to spend their money on.

I can't think of where we'd pick players up from but it certainly wasn't Forest Green Rovers and alike.

We now have a mindset against the OF which isn't shared by a few other teams in the league (Killie and ICT being two standouts with budgets around our level or less). The 20 year league thing against Rangers is quite a noose round the neck until you remember they've had "The" in front of their name since 2012.

I just wish we'd actually show up and give them a game more often than we do.

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Aberdeen have a far higher budget than us and the last time Aberdeen beat Celtic was Feb 2016, they've only beat them 10 times in the last 25 years. We beat them in December 2015 and have beat them 11 times in the last 15 years. (From a very quick look online so happy to be corrected on this)

Last season was cut short but we got points of Rangers in a battling performance, that 3-3 with that last kick of the ball from Hartley, you can't claim that we didn't show bottle or battle that game. 

The season  before there was the 1-1 with Celtic which was a battle as well. 

Our record against the old film teams is not that different from the rest of the league, its just that people decide to exclude cup games or play offs to suit the story they want to tell. 

We had a good spell against them in the early to mid 90s, we've had a bit of a poor record of late, that's how it goes. We'll get a spell again soon where we do well (and folk will moan that we aren't doing it every week and it's no good doing it against Rangers if you can't do it against Ross County)  then go through a poor spell. That's just fitba.

 

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14 hours ago, wellsince75 said:

Was looking back to Tommy Mcleans time in charge and pretty much every season we took points either win or draws against the old firm.

The gap isn't any bigger between the clubs now as it was then but we regularly managed to take some points, yes we got cuffed occasionally but nothing like the regular pumpings we now take.

Can't be too much to expect a draw or win every 5-6 games against them.  Our approach to how to tackle teams is poor, it's a one size fits all. 

I would say the gap is way bigger, they dwarf us financially. Before my time but looking back the club has had periods where it’s certainly purchased players of a higher standard that they seem able to do now.

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4 hours ago, C&A not the shop said:

Aberdeen have a far higher budget than us and the last time Aberdeen beat Celtic was Feb 2016, they've only beat them 10 times in the last 25 years. We beat them in December 2015 and have beat them 11 times in the last 15 years. (From a very quick look online so happy to be corrected on this)

Last season was cut short but we got points of Rangers in a battling performance, that 3-3 with that last kick of the ball from Hartley, you can't claim that we didn't show bottle or battle that game. 

The season  before there was the 1-1 with Celtic which was a battle as well. 

Our record against the old film teams is not that different from the rest of the league, its just that people decide to exclude cup games or play offs to suit the story they want to tell. 

We had a good spell against them in the early to mid 90s, we've had a bit of a poor record of late, that's how it goes. We'll get a spell again soon where we do well (and folk will moan that we aren't doing it every week and it's no good doing it against Rangers if you can't do it against Ross County)  then go through a poor spell. That's just fitba.

 

Far too sensible!

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The gap between the OF and the rest of the league has never been so great as it is now. In times gone by most sides had at least something of a transfer budget. Now most sides have pretty much nothing of a transfer budget while operating in the freebie market. Contrast that with the OF who will spend more on a single player in a single window than the rest of the league combined will spend in decades. They're shopping at M&S while everyone else is largely shopping at the charity store or pound stretchers at best. 

There is no comparison. They have more value sitting on the bench than the rest of the league combined will spend  in decades. 

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