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See Jake Hastie  couldn't make the grade at Thistle and they declined the option to extend his deal. Has a player ever become so wealthy on the back of 10 games.... Hes played 101 games in 5 years an utterly pathetic return for someone apparently so talented . 65 of those games were pre 2019. Rangers got their fingers burned with that one. He is a prime example of why players should jump at the money. 

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A good article earlier today in The Herald does a good job breaking down Hastie's career to date.

 

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WHEN Jake Hastie burst onto the scene with Motherwell in January 2019, it wasn’t long before he was considered one of Scottish football’s top prospects.

So enamored were Rangers, in fact, that by May they had agreed a transfer for the precocious winger to the tune of £350,000. Three years later, and it’s difficult to imagine Hastie playing regularly for any team in the top two tiers in Scotland.

Hastie was handed a four-year deal at Ibrox in a decision that looks increasingly baffling as time marches on. The winger shone brightly during the run-in in the 2018-19 campaign but had achieved little of note up until then, with a loan spell at Airdrie the previous year and another six-month stint at Alloa the only real exposure to first-team football Hastie had. In 55 games across the two spells, he chipped in with seven goals and 10 assists – a fine contribution, but hardly the sort of form that was making the whole nation sit up and take notice.

That all changed when he returned to Fir Park and was handed his chance by then manager Stephen Robinson, and it was one that was seized with gusto. A run of six goals in nine consecutive Premiership outings between February and April was apparently all it took to persuade Rangers to stump up the cash.

 

It’s fair to say that Hastie hasn’t exactly delivered on that early promise. The 22-year-old has played a grand total of 11 minutes for the Rangers first team (he came off the bench for a 3-0 win over East Fife in August 2019) and although establishing himself as a regular in the starting XI was always going to be a long shot, green shoots of progress are nowhere to be seen. Loan spells have been arranged to try and kick-start the youngster’s career after years of regression, and not a single one has come close to working out.

At Airdrie during the 2017-18 campaign, Hastie racked up a respectable 2170 minutes over the course of the season. The following year he went one better, playing 3049 minutes between Alloa and Motherwell. In the three years since, he has managed just 1824.

It is a huge problem for Hastie and one that appears to be getting worse. Players need regular football, that much is obvious, yet there is a worrying pattern emerging for Hastie over the last few years. Generally speaking, he tends to get a few starts towards the start of his loan spells but as the season progresses, opportunities become few and far between.

It happened at Rotherham, where Hastie played 1045 minutes in total. He started each of the English League One outfit’s opening eight games before featuring as a bit-part player for the subsequent 16 fixtures before being sent back to Glasgow. At Motherwell last season, Hastie’s minutes played again took a significant dip as he managed just 665. He featured sporadically under Robinson during the first half of the campaign and when Graham Alexander replaced the Northern Irishman in the dugout, Hastie dropped out of the matchday squad, save for the odd appearance here and there.

Hastie had had multiple opportunities in the top flight but hadn’t made the most of any of them, so a loan move to Partick Thistle was arranged during the summer. Playing in the Championship, the thinking went, would allow Hastie to finally receive some much-needed game time and playing in the second tier would allow him to shine.

It hasn’t worked out that way. The Jags have a small squad with just 21 members and are conspicuously short of options at right wing – Hastie’s preferred position – yet the wide player has barely featured at all for the Firhill club. Six appearances might not sound too bad at first until you realise that all have come via the bench, and that Hastie has played a mere 114 minutes this term. Injuries and niggles have played their part, too, but the clear inference is that the 22-year-old’s performances in training haven’t been up to scratch. Kyle Turner, nominally a No.10, has regularly being preferred on the right of Thistle’s midfield.

Hastie’s loan expires in the coming days and the prospect of McCall extending the winger’s stay in Glasgow’s West End looks remote indeed. Quite simply, there is no justification for retaining his services.

It leaves Hastie at a crossroads as he approaches a crucial juncture in his career. If Thistle didn’t work out, it is difficult to envisage another Championship club taking a punt on a player that hasn’t delivered any sort of meaningful contribution in years. Where next, then? League One? League Two?

It is a remarkable nosedive for a player that seemingly had the world at his feet not so long ago. At 22, time is on Hastie’s side and his latest failed loan stint must act as a wake-up call. In 18 months’ time Hastie will be a free agent and without stark improvement, there is no telling just how dramatic the winger’s fall from grace could be.

 

 

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Talking of which, I see Dundee Utd are about to sell Kerr Smith to Aston Villa for £800k plus add-ons. Smith has made 12 first team appearances.

That might give them some spare cash to pay for Watt's early move.

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Just now, weeyin said:

Talking of which, I see Dundee Utd are about to sell Kerr Smith to Aston Villa for £800k plus add-ons. Smith has made 12 first team appearances.

That might give them some spare cash to pay for Watt's early move.

 Hope so we need to end the TW drama and move him on now.

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46 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

 Hope so we need to end the TW drama and move him on now.

I can see a deal been done, I don’t think either club want this to drag on until the end of the season and it’s money we can use to strengthen up top ourselves. I’m sure Alexander will have someone lined up even now should it go through and Watt moves.

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If watt does leave,I would like to see us bring in a couple of strikers,one to replace him and another just to give us an extra option until the end of the season.im almost certain shaw is an upgrade on crawford and if we can add something to the forward line and get a bit of luck injury wise to our centre halfs then we will be in good shape for the rest of the season.

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Thought McCall stayed in Strathaven 
He did at one point. Possibly Robinson, too - certainly went to the pub there. Think Ally Maxwell lived in Strathaven too at one point.

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9 hours ago, Yorkyred said:

I can see a deal been done, I don’t think either club want this to drag on until the end of the season and it’s money we can use to strengthen up top ourselves. I’m sure Alexander will have someone lined up even now should it go through and Watt moves.

You're probably right Yorky. By way of a very rough comparison, as they're different types of players, St Mirren are supposedly looking for £350K for McGrath, who is also out of contract at the end of the season. The caveat is that its tabloid talk and Saints are, of course, media darlings.

I hope we are looking at replacements for Watt but we can't afford to strike a deal at the very last minute without being able to bring someone else in.

Edit: BBC football page saying "Tony Watt has been secured for the summer and talks continue to expedite that deal, but a reported fee of £100,000 is a high price for four or five months. " and "Jamie McGrath and Ethan Erhahon are St Mirren's most sought-after players and January is the club's last chance to sell Republic of Ireland midfielder McGrath, with Aberdeen rumoured to be interested (for less than £100K presumably?)."

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4 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:

.Edit: BBC football page saying "Tony Watt has been secured for the summer and talks continue to expedite that deal, but a reported fee of £100,000 is a high price for four or five months. "

If TW's goals help you move up the league an extra place or two, £100k sounds like a bargain.  I'd be asking for closer to £200k.

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Was having a bit of a set too on P&B with United fans on this. 

I saw a figure of £350k being quoted for St Mirren for McGrath to go to Aberdeen this month. He too is out of contract this summer. I would argue Watt is equally if not more important to us. 

Truth is I doubt we would quote a fee that would be unrealistic as it would be best for both clubs if he moved on. But I think a fee of £150 to £250k would be realistic for the leagues top goalscorer. If United are not willing to pay more than £100k then I very much doubt a deal will be done. 

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3 hours ago, Neilwell86 said:

Totally forgot we had Hastie on loan last season.

trying to blot it from my memory...truly awful player

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1 minute ago, Welldaft Mk1 said:

Was having a bit of a set too on P&B with United fans on this. 

I saw a figure of £350k being quoted for St Mirren for McGrath to go to Aberdeen this month. He too is out of contract this summer. I would argue Watt is equally if not more important to us. 

Truth is I doubt we would quote a fee that would be unrealistic as it would be best for both clubs if he moved on. But I think a fee of £150 to £250k would be realistic for the leagues top goalscorer. If United are not willing to pay more than £100k then I very much doubt a deal will be done. 

I think if a deal is not done ( I believe one will be) it’s going to help no one. If he plays I can see a backlash from a percentage of the support, if he’s then not in the first team we’ve lost out on a chunk of money for a replacement. It’s ok Alexander stating he will play and that’s fine IF he’s not getting abuse from the stands.

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5 minutes ago, Yorkyred said:

I think if a deal is not done ( I believe one will be) it’s going to help no one. If he plays I can see a backlash from a percentage of the support, if he’s then not in the first team we’ve lost out on a chunk of money for a replacement. It’s ok Alexander stating he will play and that’s fine IF he’s not getting abuse from the stands.

I would think it is more a case of how Watt deals with abuse from the stands and I think he will deal with it fine. Personally I would like him to stay until the end of the season.

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And if TW goes this month and continues his scoring run, there is a decent chance he will be called up by Scotland. Generating additional income for United and increasing his value. £100k seems low to me. If that is all we are asking for then we are being over generous. No reason we could not add a few extras, like additional payments based on goals, league position or a Scotland call up. And I'm pretty sure there have been recent examples of players moving early and an agreement being reached that they could not feature against their former club for the remainder of that season? Don't think there are any rules ruling out any lawful terms negotiated between clubs. 

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There are rules against that. Once the players registration has been transferred then no other club has the right to dictate who they play against.

If Watt stays and keeps performing as he has so far this season there won't be many book from the stands, subdued applause certainly but not boos.

I think he'll go but you can see why the manager is saying what he's said.

I also see the Record linking us with Roberts on a permanent deal, I assume that's just paper talk based on nothing new.

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I think he will go for about 100k but it wont happen until the last couple of days of the window but fully expect utd to offer us like 50k and nicky clarke before that,which should be flat out refused.if we don't get what we're looking for we are as well keeping him,there's no point in strengthening utd if we're getting next to nothing out of it.on roberts i wouldn't be looking for us to bring him back this time,he done well first time around coming into a struggling side but this time he hasn't been upto much.

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Tie the fee to their finishing position. They are 7 th now.  For each place above that they pay 80k cash at end of season.  With a 100k minimum to be paid up front. Should they finish 2 places higher they owe us 60k. Should they end up 7th or lower.  We keep the 100k and they don’t owe anything. 

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15 minutes ago, texanwellfan said:

Tie the fee to their finishing position. They are 7 th now.  For each place above that they pay 80k cash at end of season.  With a 100k minimum to be paid up front. Should they finish 2 places higher they owe us 60k. Should they end up 7th or lower.  We keep the 100k and they don’t owe anything. 

It's as much about how many places we might fall, as how many places Utd might rise. It would almost be worth plummeting from 4th to 10th if it meant they had to pay us £800k, doubled up to £1.6M to compensate us for missing out on a brief European adventure.

 Luckily, that particular risky-but-tempting option will never actually be on the table, because knowing our luck we'd overshoot 10th and end up relegated while trying to cash in :wink:

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£100,000 isn't enough if we don't get a proper replacement in.

If we get someone who can go straight into the team or someone to develop on a long term deal then fair enough. But if we are doing the usual last day of the January window routine with minimal quality available then we need to be well compensated to weaken the squad. 

We don't want another Harry Smith or Eddie Nolan situation. 

 

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I think Shields will end up being the best replacement - at least over the next few months. He has been training with the squad all season and well up to speed now with our shape and tactics and looked decent enough in the games he's played.

Unlikely we'll find a 10 goal/half-season replacement in the January market.

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4 minutes ago, weeyin said:

I think Shields will end up being the best replacement - at least over the next few months. He has been training with the squad all season and well up to speed now with our shape and tactics and looked decent enough in the games he's played.

Unlikely we'll find a 10 goal/half-season replacement in the January market.

My thoughts as well,  if TW goes in January and / or he is not played till the end of the season, Shields deserves his chance of an extended run in the team and if GA thinks we need extra cover wait till the summer when we have more time and probably better options to explore. 

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2 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:

My thoughts as well,  if TW goes in January and / or he is not played till the end of the season, Shields deserves his chance of an extended run in the team and if GA thinks we need extra cover wait till the summer when we have more time and probably better options to explore. 

That’s my thought, we need to give Shields his shot first, no point bringing in promising players from the championship on 3 year deals if we don’t give them time. We might as well just go back to 12 month contracts if that’s the case.

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3 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:

My thoughts as well,  if TW goes in January and / or he is not played till the end of the season, Shields deserves his chance of an extended run in the team and if GA thinks we need extra cover wait till the summer when we have more time and probably better options to explore. 

Merit in some of that. Doubt those currently training/on trial will wait till the summer.

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