Jump to content

David

2022/23 ins & outs discussion

Recommended Posts

You can't move a UK tax liability offshore. 

I don't know anything about Boyle in particular but it's pretty obvious from Accies, Livi and St Johnstone that owning a Scottish football club has financial upsides beyond P/L. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, steelboy said:

You can't move a UK tax liability offshore. 

I don't know anything about Boyle in particular but it's pretty obvious from Accies, Livi and St Johnstone that owning a Scottish football club has financial upsides beyond P/L. 

"You can't move a UK tax liability offshore" sounds like something you've read on the internet without having much clue as to what exactly that means in relation to Boyle and his companies, personal wealth, football club ownership debts and if he had any overseas interests in his portfolio.

Once you and Robbos boy have figured out how Boyle saved himself money maybe you can share the details.

If you think Accies selling their old ground, pocketing the funds from the sale, pocketing millions from the sale and add-ons from McArthur and McCarthy and getting sweetheart deals from the district council in office rentals while setting up dodgy sponsorship deals is in any way similar to Boyle's tenure at Fir Park then more power to you both.

I'll leave you both to your high finance discussions. I'm out.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 minutes ago, weeyin said:

"You can't move a UK tax liability offshore" sounds like something you've read on the internet without having much clue as to what exactly that means in relation to Boyle and his companies, personal wealth, football club ownership debts and if he had any overseas interests in his portfolio.

Once you and Robbos boy have figured out how Boyle saved himself money maybe you can share the details.

If you think Accies selling their old ground, pocketing the funds from the sale, pocketing millions from the sale and add-ons from McArthur and McCarthy and getting sweetheart deals from the district council in office rentals while setting up dodgy sponsorship deals is in any way similar to Boyle's tenure at Fir Park then more power to you both.

I'll leave you both to your high finance discussions. I'm out.

 

You can avoid capital gains tax if you invest in another business. . So basically you have made profit from selling an asset but to avoid paying the capital gains tax you invest it in another business, just like the Peacock, but what would I know I'm just an old pensioner. Anyway season over, we move on, oh and I'm out to. :D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 hours ago, Robbos boy said:

Are you for real, that's as good a reply as Jake Carrolls defending. 

Do you actually understand what you post.

You ridiculed someone for suggesting Tom Rogic as a decent signing, by saying Celtic wouldn't let him walk away from the last year of his contact but Celtic have already done just that, making your ridicule ridiculous.

I'm going to take Mark Twain's advise now and sign out

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm not up for John Boyle signing in this in's and out's thread.

He's no Keith Lasley or Stevie Hammell, more of a Brian McClair should he sign up again.

Could try him out at left back though.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Again like an offthefringes titbit on JB.

I used to be  dead set against the players against the club at the time of the administration but then you speak to a couple and you learn what  really went down......

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted in the Celtic thread but better here:

 

If we needed any further clarification, yesterday  proves how critical this summer is. 
We absolutely must bring in a first choice left back, 2 centre halves, 2 central midfielders and 2 strikers in the summer; all of whom need to be first choice starters. 
That’s 7 players and the spine of a team that we desperately need.  We need a couple of senior leaders in the middle of the park and central defence. 
The rest are simply not up to it: Carroll, McGinley, Grimshaw, Nierenold, Goss, Donnelly, Amaluzor, Roberts, Efford should all be away by the time European competition starts. 

It’s a huge summer.

 

———————Kelly

 

SoD/Mugabi——X———X———X

 

—X—Slattery/Cornelius——X

 

—X———-Van Veen——X

 

Subs:

Fox

Solholm

Ojala

Woolery

Maguire

Shields

Tierney

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
35 minutes ago, Kmac said:

Posted in the Celtic thread but better here:

 

 

If we needed any further clarification, yesterday  proves how critical this summer is. 
We absolutely must bring in a first choice left back, 2 centre halves, 2 central midfielders and 2 strikers in the summer; all of whom need to be first choice starters. 
That’s 7 players and the spine of a team that we desperately need.  We need a couple of senior leaders in the middle of the park and central defence. 
The rest are simply not up to it: Carroll, McGinley, Grimshaw, Nierenold, Goss, Donnelly, Amaluzor, Roberts, Efford should all be away by the time European competition starts. 

It’s a huge summer.

 

———————Kelly

 

SoD/Mugabi——X———X———X

 

—X—Slattery/Cornelius——X

 

—X———-Van Veen——X

 

Subs:

Fox

Solholm

Ojala

Woolery

Maguire

Shields

Tierney

I agree we need a new spine right the way through- equally I'd like to see us look beyond the 4-3-3 formation and play to individual strengths. 

S'OD and Carrol for example both struggle to defend but both are blooming decent in the final 1/3. 

Tierney is a dangerous player but he isn't a striker nor defender - play him in the hole just behind. 

Overall yes we need to improve and bring in better than what we have.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think we've done decent enough going forward.  I know Woolery, Shields, Efford etc aren't the greatest but I think they are adequate and might improve having had a season of experience and a chance to adapt.  We do need to replace Tony Watt though as we cannot go into a season with 1 centre forward.

Defensively we have been awful, especially in the second half of the season.  For me, with Lamie going, we need a whole new back four, if that's what we are going to play.  For me O'Donnell and Carroll can't play in a back four.  I'm not against keeping both as options but not as starters in a 4-3-3.  We need two solid full backs that can defend in a line of four.

In midfield we need a guy who can stroke the ball around and we need a player that can make runs into the box.  I'm assuming here (and crossing my fingers) but with guys like Donnelly, Grimshaw and O'Hara leaving there is a bit of scope for bring in more technically gifted midfielders.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Whether folk like McGinley or not, we literally just re-signed him, he's going nowhere. The same goes for anyone else who still has a contract, unless someone else comes in for them. The likes of Efford, Goss, Carroll, and SOD have all played regularly enough that it would hard to imagine the manager trying to mutual any of them.

The only player we have that could realistically be sold is Kelly.

Out of those leaving, there are 3 defenders, 4 midfielders, and 2 forwards. If we're cutting the squad I could see us bringing in 3 or 4 max. We have Johnston coming back from loan, and Maguire from injury, as well the mid season signings of Tierney and Mahon.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

I think we've done decent enough going forward.  I know Woolery, Shields, Efford etc aren't the greatest but I think they are adequate and might improve having had a season of experience and a chance to adapt.  We do need to replace Tony Watt though as we cannot go into a season with 1 centre forward.

Defensively we have been awful, especially in the second half of the season.  For me, with Lamie going, we need a whole new back four, if that's what we are going to play.  For me O'Donnell and Carroll can't play in a back four.  I'm not against keeping both as options but not as starters in a 4-3-3.  We need two solid full backs that can defend in a line of four.

In midfield we need a guy who can stroke the ball around and we need a player that can make runs into the box.  I'm assuming here (and crossing my fingers) but with guys like Donnelly, Grimshaw and O'Hara leaving there is a bit of scope for bring in more technically gifted midfielders.

I think you have hit the nail on the head. I tend to think Alexander will revert back to his favoured 4-3-3 despite the recent change of formation rescuing our European hopes. 

If he does, players like Carroll, SOD, McGinley and Mugabi will be asked to play in situations that will continue to expose their weaknesses and ignore their strengths. Add to that list Tierney who when he was signed was described by Alexander as a player who could play anywhere across the front three, when in truth he played behind a striker for his former club. And has shown up well for us when he reverts to his natural position. In Ireland he was that player that arrived late in the box to feed off the main striker.

Given that all of those players will still be with us, I live in hope that Alexander will bring in players to build on the formation that he used at Utd, County and at home to Hearts. In short. look to the quality players we have ( Kelly, SOD, Slattery, Tierney and Van Veen) play to their strengths and bring in more quality players to improve the team all round. Do that and a few top signings could make a huge difference. Also we can live in hope that Sol and Ojala will revert back to the players we signed with injuries cleared up and a proper pre season under their belts. I've not given up on either just yet, or Mugabi. Would not object to Lamie staying either, but I suppose that ship has sailed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, fizoxy said:

Whether folk like McGinley or not, we literally just re-signed him, he's going nowhere. 

You'd think that but only recently we've fired folk out that we'd just re-signed - Robbie Crawford for one.

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
You'd think that but only recently we've fired folk out that we'd just re-signed - Robbie Crawford for one.
 
 
Letting someone go who has less than a year left on their deal, and punting someone who was an ever present before getting injured, and has a brand new two year deal, are two different things. It's possible that Carroll could face that fate, since he has a year left and is behind McGinley in the pecking order, but even then, paying off someone's contract as well as paying for a replacement isn't cheap.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 5/13/2022 at 12:54 PM, Big Stall said:

Keep Kelly, Lamie, SOD, Beavis,  Slattery,  Cornelius, Woolery, Van Veen.

Get rid of the rest. IMO

Pretty much agree but contracts wont see that pan out .

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 5/13/2022 at 8:07 PM, Haggischomper said:

The thing to remember about Solholm, and I presume Ojala, is that he (they) came from Scandi countries where I think they play in the summer so they've had no break before going straight into a long season with us. I suspect Ojala has been playing through injury too. Might explain the dip in form and Ojala's recent lack of pace. Let's see what a break and a pre-season brings.

Sent from my Pixel 6 Pro using Tapatalk
 

None of that will give them pace or decent positional sense. Both can go anytime.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

You'd think that but only recently we've fired folk out that we'd just re-signed - Robbie Crawford for one.

 

 

Said it before but fact McGinley got 2yr new deal is bewildering. Nothing against him or Carroll but simply not good enough.  Ahhhhh if only we could find a new Rob McKinnon

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, Kmac said:

Posted in the Celtic thread but better here:

 

 

If we needed any further clarification, yesterday  proves how critical this summer is. 
We absolutely must bring in a first choice left back, 2 centre halves, 2 central midfielders and 2 strikers in the summer; all of whom need to be first choice starters. 
That’s 7 players and the spine of a team that we desperately need.  We need a couple of senior leaders in the middle of the park and central defence. 
The rest are simply not up to it: Carroll, McGinley, Grimshaw, Nierenold, Goss, Donnelly, Amaluzor, Roberts, Efford should all be away by the time European competition starts. 

It’s a huge summer.

 

———————Kelly

 

SoD/Mugabi——X———X———X

 

—X—Slattery/Cornelius——X

 

—X———-Van Veen——X

 

Subs:

Fox

Solholm

Ojala

Woolery

Maguire

Shields

Tierney

Easier said than done I think. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 hours ago, cambo97 said:

Do you actually understand what you post.

You ridiculed someone for suggesting Tom Rogic as a decent signing, by saying Celtic wouldn't let him walk away from the last year of his contact but Celtic have already done just that, making your ridicule ridiculous.

I'm going to take Mark Twain's advise now and sign out

 

Dear Cambo, before you sign out, please make an appointment for Specsavers and read my post, thats not what I said, so bye. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Darragh O'Connor mentioned on twitter his time at the club has came to an end. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Kat said:

Darragh O'Connor mentioned on twitter his time at the club has came to an end. 

Seen it, big guy was worth a chance, you’ll get the haters saying he got relegated from the championship but one player doesn’t make a team, Oyala is slower than a week in the jail, Sol is a bomb scare and our left backs are shite, so why not give him a chance.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, Kat said:

Darragh O'Connor mentioned on twitter his time at the club has came to an end. 

The players getting released are slowly coming out, are there any official lists?

like many others I thought Darragh could have a chance with us, let’s hope GA knows what he is doing, he is obviously getting rid of players as they are out of contract, but there is a couple of players that are still in contract that need to be told to find another club!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
46 minutes ago, Stevie73 said:

Seen it, big guy was worth a chance, you’ll get the haters saying he got relegated from the championship but one player doesn’t make a team, Oyala is slower than a week in the jail, Sol is a bomb scare and our left backs are shite, so why not give him a chance.

I don't think Sol is a bombscare. Sign  of the times on this forum. Let's see how he does next season.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I usually give up reading this thread over the summer and just rely on official announcements instead. But here are my predictions:

There will be some players staying on that some want to punt.

There will some players leaving that some want to keep.

There will be a few signings of players we've never heard of.

Some of the new signings and loans won't arrive until we're a few weeks into the season (that will freak some out)

 

Cheers

Nostradamus

 

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...

Twitter @MotherwellFC

×