Our New Manager

[Kmcalpin]

We've been told that the hunt for our new manager (and players) will involve analytics. What exactly is this? Without wishing to know the fine details, presumably its a program/method that matches our requirements i.e open expansive football; run on a tight budget; squad size; level of ambition etc to the skillsets, personality and achievements of individuals.

Does anyone know a wee bit more about this?

  

[fizoxy]

When we hired JBA we mentioned how many young players he gave their debut, but my guess is the analytics are more around how his teams play, i.e. possession, formations, tactics and the like. 

This is more about the higher level clubs, but is pretty interesting:

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/48758776/want-hire-next-jurgen-klopp-how-data-help-clubs-pick-manager

[weeyin]

It's difficult to tell exactly what data is being used, as clubs and the data company like to keep that very secret. It is their intellectual property after all, and different clubs will be looking for different things.

As @fizoxy says, though, you can imagine we look at the number of key metrics that he mentions from percentage of games played by academy graduates and net profit on players recruited, developed and sold, to formations, tactics, style etc.

It's only part of the picture of course, and candidates still need to be good fit for the club. In our specific case, we need to find a manager who supports the fan-owned model the Community Trust. Not sure if we'll have metrics on that, but there could be some.

A number of years ago on one of the Royal Institution Christmas Lectures of all places, I remember the data scientist from Liverpool discussed how they were using certain models. It wasn't related to recruitment, but it was still fascinating.

One of things they had done was to map the pitch into 1 metre squares. Then they took all the match data from their own games, and all the data from other EPL matches, and figured out the chances of a goal coming from possession in each individual square. Then, when they were training, part of their focus was to have tactics and formations that would get the ball into the higher percentage areas as quickly and as often as possible.

[Great Balls of Shire]

37 minutes ago, weeyin said:

It's difficult to tell exactly what data is being used, as clubs and the data company like to keep that very secret. It is their intellectual property after all, and different clubs will be looking for different things.

As @fizoxy says, though, you can imagine we look at the number of key metrics that he mentions from percentage of games played by academy graduates and net profit on players recruited, developed and sold, to formations, tactics, style etc.

It's only part of the picture of course, and candidates still need to be good fit for the club. In our specific case, we need to find a manager who supports the fan-owned model the Community Trust. Not sure if we'll have metrics on that, but there could be some.

A number of years ago on one of the Royal Institution Christmas Lectures of all places, I remember the data scientist from Liverpool discussed how they were using certain models. It wasn't related to recruitment, but it was still fascinating.

One of things they had done was to map the pitch into 1 metre squares. Then they took all the match data from their own games, and all the data from other EPL matches, and figured out the chances of a goal coming from possession in each individual square. Then, when they were training, part of their focus was to have tactics and formations that would get the ball into the higher percentage areas as quickly and as often as possible.

Just hoof it up the park!

[stv]

14 minutes ago, Great Balls of Shire said:

Just hoof it up the park!

Brilliant 🤣, life in general seems to be run and arranged by computers now. Where is it all going to end.

With the next exiting new manager hopefully. But will it be via an online interview. 

[bobbybingo]

Could we not get ahead of the curve and appoint an AI manager? If they want to leave, we just switch them off and back on again.

[grizzlyg]

19 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:

Could we not get ahead of the curve and appoint an AI manager? If they want to leave, we just switch them off and back on again.

Or we appoint a geordie manager using Way I ! 🤪

[weeyin]

8 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

Or we appoint a geordie manager using Way I ! 🤪

I thought you retired earlier today.

[grizzlyg]

2 minutes ago, weeyin said:

I thought you retired earlier today.

Couldn't resist it.........lenny Henry Couldn't top that one