Our New Manager

[Kmcalpin]

We've been told that the hunt for our new manager (and players) will involve analytics. What exactly is this? Without wishing to know the fine details, presumably its a program/method that matches our requirements i.e open expansive football; run on a tight budget; squad size; level of ambition etc to the skillsets, personality and achievements of individuals.

Does anyone know a wee bit more about this?

  

[fizoxy]

When we hired JBA we mentioned how many young players he gave their debut, but my guess is the analytics are more around how his teams play, i.e. possession, formations, tactics and the like. 

This is more about the higher level clubs, but is pretty interesting:

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/48758776/want-hire-next-jurgen-klopp-how-data-help-clubs-pick-manager

[weeyin]

It's difficult to tell exactly what data is being used, as clubs and the data company like to keep that very secret. It is their intellectual property after all, and different clubs will be looking for different things.

As @fizoxy says, though, you can imagine we look at the number of key metrics that he mentions from percentage of games played by academy graduates and net profit on players recruited, developed and sold, to formations, tactics, style etc.

It's only part of the picture of course, and candidates still need to be good fit for the club. In our specific case, we need to find a manager who supports the fan-owned model the Community Trust. Not sure if we'll have metrics on that, but there could be some.

A number of years ago on one of the Royal Institution Christmas Lectures of all places, I remember the data scientist from Liverpool discussed how they were using certain models. It wasn't related to recruitment, but it was still fascinating.

One of things they had done was to map the pitch into 1 metre squares. Then they took all the match data from their own games, and all the data from other EPL matches, and figured out the chances of a goal coming from possession in each individual square. Then, when they were training, part of their focus was to have tactics and formations that would get the ball into the higher percentage areas as quickly and as often as possible.

[Great Balls of Shire]

37 minutes ago, weeyin said:

It's difficult to tell exactly what data is being used, as clubs and the data company like to keep that very secret. It is their intellectual property after all, and different clubs will be looking for different things.

As @fizoxy says, though, you can imagine we look at the number of key metrics that he mentions from percentage of games played by academy graduates and net profit on players recruited, developed and sold, to formations, tactics, style etc.

It's only part of the picture of course, and candidates still need to be good fit for the club. In our specific case, we need to find a manager who supports the fan-owned model the Community Trust. Not sure if we'll have metrics on that, but there could be some.

A number of years ago on one of the Royal Institution Christmas Lectures of all places, I remember the data scientist from Liverpool discussed how they were using certain models. It wasn't related to recruitment, but it was still fascinating.

One of things they had done was to map the pitch into 1 metre squares. Then they took all the match data from their own games, and all the data from other EPL matches, and figured out the chances of a goal coming from possession in each individual square. Then, when they were training, part of their focus was to have tactics and formations that would get the ball into the higher percentage areas as quickly and as often as possible.

Just hoof it up the park!

[stv]

14 minutes ago, Great Balls of Shire said:

Just hoof it up the park!

Brilliant 🤣, life in general seems to be run and arranged by computers now. Where is it all going to end.

With the next exiting new manager hopefully. But will it be via an online interview. 

[bobbybingo]

Could we not get ahead of the curve and appoint an AI manager? If they want to leave, we just switch them off and back on again.

[grizzlyg]

19 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:

Could we not get ahead of the curve and appoint an AI manager? If they want to leave, we just switch them off and back on again.

Or we appoint a geordie manager using Way I ! 🤪

[weeyin]

8 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:

Or we appoint a geordie manager using Way I ! 🤪

I thought you retired earlier today.

[grizzlyg]

2 minutes ago, weeyin said:

I thought you retired earlier today.

Couldn't resist it.........lenny Henry Couldn't top that one

[smiddy]

Tam on off the ball on sat saying

he knows for a fact that the directors knew JBA was going at the end of the season and had already been on it 

but the curve ball was that JBA then gave them a couple of names that he would reccomend to take over and carry on that style of play and everything he had set up 

he wouldnt give any names when pushed but did say he had txts to prove 

anybody know any good phone hackers 😜👍

[grizzlyg]

57 minutes ago, smiddy said:

Tam on off the ball on sat saying

he knows for a fact that the directors knew JBA was going at the end of the season and had already been on it 

but the curve ball was that JBA then gave them a couple of names that he would reccomend to take over and carry on that style of play and everything he had set up 

he wouldnt give any names when pushed but did say he had txts to prove 

anybody know any good phone hackers 😜👍

Tam also said JBA rejected offer from sellik.  Not really convinced as he was happy entertaining Rod Stewart.    Time will tell who we get

[weeyin]

I'm no expert, but if I was on the Board at Fir Park the last person I'd be sharing confidential business details with is Tam.

[Kmcalpin]

1 hour ago, smiddy said:

he knows for a fact that the directors knew JBA was going at the end of the season

That ties up well with what Andy Halliday said, before the announcement was made.  No smoke without fire? 

[weeyin]

4 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:

That ties up well with what Andy Halliday said, before the announcement was made.  No smoke without fire? 

Even of they didn't know, succession planning is standard business practice and something the Board should be implementing for every position.

[mio]

Apparently Celtic made an offer to Motherwell with regards compensation. Shock and horror that it was derisory and we said “no thanks and go away”

 

[weeyin]

7 minutes ago, mio said:

Apparently Celtic made an offer to Motherwell with regards compensation. Shock and horror that it was derisory and we said “no thanks and go away”

I don't know why they even bother with those. Maybe it appeases their fans.

[mio]

4 minutes ago, weeyin said:

I don't know why they even bother with those. Maybe it appeases their fans.

Cheapest club in the World. If they were a person they’d be Tam from Still Game 

[texanwellfan]

Let’s hope for a speedy replacement then 

[weeyin]

1 minute ago, texanwellfan said:

Let’s hope for a speedy replacement then 

As they as they are a good replacement, I'm OK with waiting.

[bobbybingo]

31 minutes ago, mio said:

Apparently Celtic made an offer to Motherwell with regards compensation. Shock and horror that it was derisory and we said “no thanks and go away”

 

How much did Celtic ask for?