StirlingDosser
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I don't think finishing 9th is satisfactory however it reflects the ongoing slump we are in as a club which has been underway for a few seasons. We are loosing our competitiveness in the league I feel.
As for Kettlewell, he seems like a genuine guy and a good coach. I'm not in the bin him camp however I don't believe we should renew his contract beyond next season right enough as I can't see us making progress with him at the helm beyond what we are currently achieving. I don't think the product on the park has been great for much of his tenure either.
The ethos at the minute that the clubs aim every season is purely to avoid relegation is unacceptable. That isn't being unrealistic, it's a game and a competition. The whole point is to compete and aim up the way. To publicly have the mindset that all we have to do every year is avoid relegation cannot be good for mindsets and sets a bar of mediocrity. If the clubs core aim every year is simply to avoid relegation what's the point?
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Can't wait for this season to be over so we can look forward to more of the exact same next season.
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7 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said:
Obviously we need to wait and see what the offer is and how it is structured but what do folk seriously think would be an acceptable level of investment for a minority control of the club?
I don’t know but the £300K per year mentioned earlier is less than 10% of our current turnover but if the £1.5M figure I seem to remember as our players wage bill is correct and the money all went to this then that’s a 20% increase.You could equate that to one extra player on just under £6K per week, two extra players on £3K or three extra players on £2K per week. Would bringing in one, two or three players who would accept these wages really change things or guarantee our top flight survival long term? I don’t think so. In which case what would be the point or worth of accepting such an offer?
You're absolutely correct if we are aiming for the investment to be for the playing squad, but we have to modernise. If we were taking in say 300k a year investment (which is on the low side), that could allow us to gradually invest in modernisation of infrastructure over the coming years without impacting our current player budget. At present, any major 'patch up job' which needs done (of which in the future there will be a few big ones given the age of the Phil O'Donnell Stand for example), will likely lead to cuts to the recruitment budget.
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2 minutes ago, steelboy said:
Playing side versus off field.
Other than the takeover and the pitch fiasco I think the non playing side has been fine.
It's all worth bearing in mind that the Well Society doesn't have majority control of the executive board. The club has been run by the exact same clique of people for the past 20 years. So blaming the Well Society for level of investment in corporate facilities is a clear sign someone doesn't have a clue what they are talking about.
I didn't blame the Well Society for a lack of investment in facilities. I pointed out that it has happened and needs addressed, and that is unlikely to happen under our current funding model. I'll just skip past the insult.
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Okay here goes an essay...
As this progresses I find the society even more amateur and backpeddling from its failure. If the Well Society wasn't a failure this discussion wouldn't even be happening. The society are a group who have done very little in my view in recent years until the prospect of some external involvement knocking them off their perch. Saturday's Well Society day didn't convince me otherwise. The additional attention and focus they received on Saturday was considerably greater than our average match day sponsor (so I hope they stumped up an additional payment to the club for advertising, like we would ask of any sponsor). It can't be attractive to any investor I have to say when the organs of the club were promoting the alternative to investment throughout the day.
I was at Fir Park for the first time in a couple of years due to working abroad with a group of mates who support other provincial clubs and discussed all the politics of this probably in more depth than the match. When you are away for a while and come back it shows how we are falling behind the pack very quickly in terms of our facilities, budget and resilience. Before anyone gives us the "well rollercoaster" or "punching above out weight" lecture, let's look at three other clubs similar in size to us.
Dunfermline - relegated and not come back.
Falkirk - just spent 8 years in league 1, lucky to still be on the go until their recent turn in fortunes - with the help of a blend of external investment and fan support
Dundee United - the yo-yo club of the decade.
If Motherwell were in the situation of any of these clubs we would struggle to maintain ourselves without a shadow of doubt. All three of these clubs have different models and I accept that. But our budget and working capital differs to these three clubs as a result of top division TV money and away ticket revenue only. Our overall home ticket and commercial income is likey on a par. The additional investment is necessary or we will join that club, or likely be in even more of a right rope year on year financially than these guys as no fall guy would be there to cover the losses.
The Club needs to build a pathway towardsa substantial modernisation of our facilities and corporate operations. Our main training facilities are rented, our players are bussed between two sits for their training and we have a stadium which is in dire need of replacement once sentiments are put aside. We are simply no longer attractive to companies for corporate days or hospitality as we have such dated infrastructure. Once we have modernised infrastructure the club can start to widen its income and stability.
The external investment at Dundee is being laughed at but I think long term as their project takes shape they will be the ones laughing. Unlike Aberdeen's new stadiums which have been proposed about 40 times, this genuinely seems to be making traction. We need to watch this as a "what could be" rather than looking at what is going wrong/has gone wrong elsewhere.
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9 minutes ago, santheman said:
That's going to split us right down the middle.
Half will love it half will hate it.
I actually can't believe we've put that out. We would be absolutely rinsing any other club serving that up. Absolute red neck.
I certainly hope we haven't paid "Scotland's leading advertising agency" for this, hopefully it was a charitable gift.
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2 minutes ago, Alpha1886 said:
Think it’s 2 points. We still got 1.
Lesson learned. No quick posting when pissed off 😂.
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That'll be three points chucked through absolute stupidity. With the space and possession given to Hibs the last 20 minutes hell mend us.
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13 hours ago, SteelmaninOZ said:
Well this is the one that could change the rest of the season for us. A big crowd behind the Steelmen should get the job done.
COYW
A big crowd rarely seems to do Motherwell any good, quite the opposite actually.
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Our board aren't amateurs. Derek Weir has significant professional experience, more than probably most on this board. He is doing the Chief Exec role to fill in, nothing less. Mcmahon likewise. However he in my opinion has not held certain personnel to account in the manner required of a chairman in recent times.
Douglas Dickie, in fact the continous presence of a member of the Dickie family for the last 20+ years when I think of it, has me scratching me head. Why is this chap always there and what is his role? Genuinely open to being educated on the matter but why, after so many years, do this particular family still hold significant influence over the club. Is their shareholding that substantial?
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St Mirren must have some sort of record for knocking us out cups...
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On 5/12/2023 at 2:32 PM, joewarkfanclub said:
The club crest didnt exist until the 80s so its hardly traditional.
I do like the crest, particularly as it retains the connection to the steel industry, but like the hoop/band, Im not wedded to it as other incarnations existed before it.
For example, I think the MFC script worked very well on the last blue kit....
43 years ago? Pretty traditional.
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I'm in the white shorts club, they make it look a bit more classy.
One thing I insist on (and I wouldn't buy the shirt otherwise) that it has our club crest and NOT the MFC lettering from yesteryear that was "reinvented". We stopped using it for a reason...
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Watching on the online stream. Our commentator getting torn into the referee big time throughout the match but Nick Walsh 100% was nowhere near the reason we lost today.
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This is what happens when we don't take our chances.
Fair play we have been 1 up most of the game but this performance today just isn't on a par with what we have seen recently.
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I looked at who was on the board last night and notice that Douglas Dickie remains on the board meaning that family have had an almost consistent presence as long as I can remember.
Can anyone explain what he does for the club as its not overly known? Did the Dickie family not transfer their shareholding to the Well Society at the same time as Boyle/Hutchison and the other minor shareholders?
I'd agree with some earlier posts over looking at the structure of the board. It is a little bit small and could do with some additional presence on there. Whether we need a director of football specifically though I'm not sure. I don't really see the benefit of that as at the end of the day the function of the business is football. If we have department heads for each of the clubs activities (Academy, First team (aka manager), commercial, catering and facilities) then they are directly accountable to the board fo the running of their respective operations.
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Just waiting the Alexander fan club analysis of tonight's showing
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Not expecting this to be comfortable at all. We have no right for it to be either. I actually think Thursdays game will be challenging and we may even concede, eventually settling into the tie. Just pure speculation as I don't know the first thing about their squad. Then I query which Motherwell squad will turn up - the one who ground out a result against Hearts or the one which dragged its feet through January and February.
Any word on how ticket sales are going by the way?
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Thinking about all this and possible dates, are we going to be able to play our home tie at Fir Park with all the work ongoing? Would hate to be going to Airdie again.
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It was emotional as a fan, this gentleman has given everything to this club through thick and thin. A genuine love for the club, along with the passion that has been missing since he (and Hamell) hung up their boots. I'm used to hearing the older generation talking about "their" set of Motherwell legends, this guy is undoubtedly one that our generation will talk about for years to come.
Best of luck to him, and I hope it's not the last we see of him.
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I'm all for a hybrid pitch but if the figure of 2 million quoted is what's being thrown at it I can't say I'm onboard. I'd go as far as to say it's absolutely nuts.
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5 hours ago, Yorkyred said:
I’ve honestly got no idea if there will be an impact on season ticket sales, they remained high under Robinson and is the football any worse under Alexander ? nothing in it for me.
Huge difference between Robinson and Alexander. Robinson had a rapport with the support I've never seen previously with a manger or since. It felt very much like a journey together and many, myself included, were genuinely gutted when it started to fall apart. Alexander does not have that luxury, nor does he have the perception of love for the club that Steven Robinson built up over his time at Fir Park. His attitude genuinely stinks. This talk of Alexander's wholesale change of the backroom team concerns me, if this is indeed true then the empire will be harder to bullet financially when we are sitting in the bottom three in November.
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I understand the apprehension but the reality of the Well Society is summed up here. Today's details have not come out the blur yet here they are once again asking the fans to trust them to come up with an alternative AFTER they vote against the only offer on the table. For me it's all a tale of too little too late from the WS...the organisation have done absolutely nothing of note since taking the majority shareholding and are now all talk when that position is put up for debate.
I would back this if I had a vote for the simple reason it diversifies the ownership and this is more income than the club is likely to get from the society. The clubs assets aren't touchable which will therefore of impacted the value whilst also giving some security. It may not be the big money but certainly it's bringing in some investment and some expertise.