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  1. 3 minutes ago, David said:

    Far be it for me to defend or champion the cause of the people you're talking about, but the world would be boring if we all agreed. 

    Or, it would be like a Twitter feed—an echo chamber. 

    Most people here bring something to the discussion, and everyone adds value in their own way. But the call is yours to make. Hopefully, we'll see you back at some point.

    Cheers pal, 

    I like a balanced viewpoint where I think P and B will suit me

    There are certainly things wrong with the club. No escaping that.

    But to deal with people who can only see black is like speaking to a Tory about the qualities of say SNP or labour or vice versa. Completely deaf. 
     

    take care and all the best David 

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  2. Well this is my last post on this site. 
    Off to P and B to chat to people with similar thoughts. 
    Would the miserable bastards on this site do us a favour and not follow suit. 
    You can stay here and hate the world. 
    I know plenty of people in the world like the people above and never stood about long enough to listen to their bile. 
    See you in the Spl next season. 
    I’ll spot you because your pants will be wringing and Kettlewell will have taken a shite on your doorstep. 
    Catch the good guys later. Keep up the faith. 

  3. 1 minute ago, thewelllfan said:

    If we don't get a striker in just can't really see us avoiding that relegation paly off squads now

     

    Kelly/Oxborough

    Mcginn/SOD/Butcher/Casey/Blaney

    Devine/Elliot  Miller/Davor/Paton/Halliday/Slattery(INJ) Montgommery/Gent/Jill

    Spittal/Nicholson

    Bair/Vale/Obika

    Still short of a St and an experienced cb

    What makes you say StJ and Ross County have better?

    St J signed a striker that plays semi professional football

  4. 3 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

    I can assure you a loan is not a loss. There are not a set of accounts on the planet that show a loan as a loss, well except Donald Trumps accounts. The only contributing factor  factor any loss would be the outgoings to finance the loan. In this case I.e £200,000 a year.  You cannot attribute a twenty years cost to one years accounts. 

    The P and L which is a loss of 1 million pounds includes this cost. Funded by a balance sheet item of a loan. You and I can go into politic speak about describing the same thing in two different ways. I do understand what you are saying.

    What I will say is the cost up front is probably set off against losses that would be incurred by paying to maintain the fully grass pitch over time. ie a P and L hit now for the greater good, as you say funded by the government but in time repayable.

    What is more concerning is that wages matched turnover because "we done well" as per Jim McMahons comments.

    Some finance model that. As I say again that's why we are pinching the pennies.

  5. 46 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:

    Bollocks how often do fans need to be told the ground renovations were paid for by a twenty year £3.5 million interest free loan from the Scottish Government

    That my friend is still a loss in the p and l funded by long term debt.
    Still lost a million quid whether they borrowed it from the government or borrowed it from Taylor Swift.
     

  6. 1 minute ago, Mccus28 said:

    Right now they have 31 first team players and we have 22 so I don't agree with you.

    The number difference alone more than makes up for the wage discrepancy

     

    Ok Killie Accounts!

    Due the same day as Motherwell this month.
    They lost 1.8 million in the season they won the D1 title.
    Running a wage bill of 3million. Still pretty hefty.
    Have a high list of creditors and borrowed 1 million from Scottish government.
    More difficult to decipher until later this month and the accounts of the return to the SPL.
    My gut is if Billy Bowie wants something then he will put the money in.

  7. 2 minutes ago, steelboy said:

    We lost a million because Bellend Burrows decided to flatten the pitch as a vanity project.

    Half and Half I'd say this and salaries.  Although one year out in comparison - later this month we can compare like for like.

    Turnover : 5.5 MILLION (St Mirren had same)

    WAGES: 5.2 MILLION (St Mirren 3.8)

    Other OPERATING EXPENSES: 2.1 MILLION (this is where the pitch comes into play - and savings here would have cut the million loss)

     

  8. 1 minute ago, steelboy said:

    We have 1 striker are in are in a relegation battle. He surely has to be worth more to us than he is to Killie or St Mirren?

    Again your not wrong but as I've guessed at earlier I think accounts are going to be grim reading for last season.
    So I think the board will not budge and do this two years in a row to save our season.

  9. 2 minutes ago, wellgirl said:

    To be fair. As someone pointed out on twitter a few days ago St Mirren are getting bigger crowds than us just now. More gate money coming in. Its always going to be tough for a club like Motherwell given that we are fan owned and have a relatively small core support 

    Correct look at the correlation of the league table.

    The bottom four are in exact order, the bottom four.

    https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/scottish-premiership/attendances

  10. 10 minutes ago, steelboy said:

    They are a charity. They can't give St Mirren money. 

    That's correct. You are right.

    I think what we can take away is they spent 1.4 million less than us in salaries.

    We lost a million, they broke even and just wait until we publish 2023 in line with them.

    2 manager sackings and panic buys to stay in the league.
    That for me is why they are stronger just now and we are tightening up the purse strings.

    The board cant lose 7 figures two years in a row of "our money" in some ways.
    So get used to our new tighter squad whilst we work towards Break Even.

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  11. 7 minutes ago, wunderwell said:

    25 to 50% of St Mirren are owned by Kibble Education and Care Centre with a turnover of £41 million pounds.

    St Mirren also have loans due of 1.8 million.
    They publish a very detailed set of accounts.
    Last season they very much held their own on the P and L, and had 1.3 million in the bank.
    Although 1 year behind, Motherwells accounts showed 1.4 million overspend on St Mirren on staff wages with the SAME TURNOVER leading to a 1million Loss - new accounts will be filed this month.

  12. 1 hour ago, thewelllfan said:

    tbf mate 

    i'm quite happy with that we have some poor players on the wage bill atm.

    Ideally I'd keep

    Casey

    Mcginn

    Miller

    Davor

    Spittal

    Bair

    Gent permanent

    And maybe Kelly if he starts performing to the levels we know he can consistently

    wait and see on the new signings.

     

    I don't think we are far off at all from my post after that one.
    4 of them are contracted along with Paton and Blaney

    BUT I missed someone so we are up to 8 including Halliday......Ross Tierney

  13. 22 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:

    All Brophy's goals for Killie were in the Premier. Every goal Shaw got for them was in the Championship, and he hadn't scored at all in over a year before coming here.

    Good info and shows the differentiation.

  14. 3 hours ago, Spiderpig said:

    Over 100 appearances and 29 goals at Killie , 7 goals at St Mirren and 4 so far at RC, he's worked out a damm site better than some of the alleged strikers we've recently had and still have. But you stick to whatever agenda suits you, don't let facts get in the way.

    But isn't he really really comparable (certainly in my mind) and in goals per game as ollie shaw?

  15. Trying to bring it back to the original post because it has gone sideways.

    It is likely that Kelly is one of, if not the top earner at the club.

    Do we want to spend budget here matching or bettering what he is on for a further contract extension?

     

  16. It be easy to say Malpas but to add a bit of debate I will say McLeish.

    Some fantastic football in the season after Tommy Mclean left but bit by bit he managed to destroy that team.

    Also wasted monies others did not have on Roddie, McSkimming. etc.

    Ultimately he destroyed Tommys team.

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