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8 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said:
The difference in your attitude towards Hammell and KVV is mistifying to me.
One is our post war record appearance holder and club legend. The other is a very talented but huffy manchild who conttributed to getting the former sacked due to his poor attitude.
I would never have dropped KVV because without him we really didnt have goals in the team. And yes, the new formation does suit him better and is getting more out of him.
Hammell, could have changed that but didnt. Thats on him. But as a senior pro, you can down tools like he did, or you can roll your sleeves up and give everything youve got, as he is now showing.
Hammell is gone and no changing that. But you dont need to dance on his grave whilst glorifying a guy who may be a cult hero. But wont make it near our Hall of Fame.
You are right of course, and there is no doubt it should not be tolerated and he did do this as a professional earning more than the majority of people who graft every day.
I suppose the but is this. Managers are paid to manage players and personalities. O'Donnell, Tierney & McKinstry aren't playing just now and it'll be up to Kettlewell to motivate these guys too. Hammell didn't manage Van Veen and what he is. He wants to win, and get goals. The manager did not give him the support he required by his formation.
I won't dance on his grave but he mismanaged him & a vast number of other matters.
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4 hours ago, Great Balls of Shire said:
Fair dues but the board can't win here....if they don't give it to sk now, they're would be an outcry
Personally I am happy for him to get it to the end of the season, he can't do much more....he's maybe not the fashionable name but hes done above and beyond
He is benefitting from the players hammels brought in , whether hammel could've got the same performances , well never know
We do know - we played Raith.
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I really enjoyed Kettlewells interview and paid aspect to the fact of the 3-5-2 and what St Mirren had done to be hard to beat. He installed graft tonight - St Mirren were the better team but a solid foundation and an impressive interview.
Well done Stuart.
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Having rewatched the first goal I can't believe how lame Goss was for the first goal. He has zero toughness.
I like the 3-5-2 suggestion or 5-3-2 could we chuck in a youngster, i'd rather have that than O'Donnell.
Kelly
Johnston
Lamie
McGinn
Youngster
Furlong
Cornelius
Slattery
Danzaki
Van Veen
Aitchison
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For a start I've no idea how much I've put in
https://rewards.foundationofhearts.org/login
They have a reward scheme found here
https://www.foundationofhearts.org/about-the-fans-reward-scheme/
The total pledge (wow) is on the front page
They have people collecting at every game
etc etc
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I'm not a mad fan of the Well Society set up and think it can work but a simple few changes of commercial changes of direction by the society would provide ample awards.
https://www.foundationofhearts.org/#
Much much better
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I'll be first to name the team
Oxborough (just to see what he is like/ what if Kelly gets injured?)
Johnston
Blaney
Lamie
Penney
McGuire
Cornelius
Tierney
McKinstry
Van Veen
Crankshaw
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9 hours ago, Coatsy said:
Why would we offload Shields if he's Championship quality we will need him next season. I cant believe that i'm the only one saying Goss (cant tackle a fish supper) and Slattery (falls down when challenged)are the ones that need to go. A team stands or falls on the spine this year Kelly has gone backwards, CB are poor but we need stability which we have not had, C Midfield pair constantly let runners run off them, and We only have VV Up top who blows hot and cold and has lacked any meaningful support.
Its time to ditch this failed bunch bring in the youths and rebuild for the championship
I don't blame those two - I don't see much shouts for a quality Defensive central midfielder - I think it's the most vital of signings.....and I think it will help those guys out massively.
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1 hour ago, wellsince75 said:
we sadly miss any leadership and ownership on the park.
Miss the days when the likes of Craigan, Hammell, Lasley, Leitch would all get stuck in.
I think that's the issue with our current squad -players hide and very little fight.Leitch was a tremendously underrated player good to hear his name again.
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2 hours ago, Great Balls of Shire said:
Is O'Donnell a blue nose too, he played his part too...maybe they're all just shit
O'Donnell is a Celtic fan
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Assuming nobody who is injured plays this is the rough team
Kelly
O'Donnell Soljohm Lamie Penny
Spittal Cornelius Slattery Goss
Moult Shields
Five boys as subs & Morris/Mcguire
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I like the few definitions of madness posts from earlier..........2 up top please. Even if Moult is not the player he was the style of the second half play was more dangerous.
Midfield needs industry and in Cornelius we have this from the bench.
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6 minutes ago, mio said:
2 points dropped. Should have had that done and dusted in the first half. Second half we struggled to get started and looked tired.
But still had the better chances.....
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4 hours ago, MelvinBragg said:
Hearing rumours of Mikey Johnston on loan from Celtic. My Tic supporting mate states "a five a side player, wouldn't bother"..
I think he'd be amazing with us /whoever. He would have the Spl teams in toast if he avoids injuries which he has struggled with.
Reminds of McGeady permanently booed by Celtic fans because he takes men on and sometimes loses it.
Have him in a heartbeat.
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1 hour ago, David said:
It's been a while since we gave someone a right good doing, so why not Aberdeen?
1-3 to the good guys.
Team time. Getting harder each week. This would get us the 3-1 win.
Ummmm let's do something a bit different.
Kelly
McGinn Mugabi Sol
O'Donnell Slattery Goss Spittal Cornelius
Van Veen Coyne/Arnott
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SOD seems to get better with every post. He's been crap, no doubt. Sure he will live on that England game forever. Shame he was beaten so tamely in the air in the next game against Croatia. Let's not mention that. Comparing him with the likes of Efford, Carroll etc etc is a mute point. All of the comparatives are not good enough either. This is why we are watching this guff.
Let's see in the fullness of time, how SOD performs. I'd rather be incorrect that right. So as I said before over to SOD.
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It’s not one or the other.
Both Alexander and O’Donnell can get tae.-
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6 minutes ago, Welldaft Mk1 said:
I tend to agree. I would like a Manager that would be happy and grateful to get the Motherwell job. Even as a stepping stone.
Already you can sense by his comments that he considers himself above the role to even bother applying. Not an encouraging sign imho.
Dick Campbell
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8 hours ago, Onthefringes said:
Ratings mean very little, often marked by persons not even at the game so easily discounted.
Holding them up as some sort of virtue in comparison with rest of the team playing badly is a nonsense.
I'm not sure the analogy with regards applause - verging on the ridiculous that.
He had a wee spell where he looked as if he would do the business, hence the cries for contract extensions. Sadly has reverted backwards. Confidence is low.
In fact I would say Shields, Mugabi and if we are unfortunate very soon Tierney, Spittal and Morris could all be lacking in confidence.
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Nobody has picked a team - so I might as well as the new interim manager
Kelly
McGinn Sol Mugabi Carroll
McGuire Cornelius Goss
Slattery Tierney
Van Veen
I actually don't like this team at all, one goal will win the game but to who? It's clear we need signings that are direct up front.
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23 hours ago, dennyc said:
Kelly and (when he eventually got recalled) Lamie are about the only two that had 5 decent games all season. And they made mistakes as well.
Plenty of others........to name a few in no particular order....Carroll, Mugabi, Goss, Shields, McGinley, MacGuire and even Watt and Van Veen....had a run of games where they made the same mistakes over and over. But they were not treated in the same way as O'Donnell. That is, benched and ignored until season end no matter how dire the situation got. Short time memory seems to work both ways. So no. I'm not going to scapegoat O'Donnell for making errors. He sure did, but so did everybody else. Almost the entire team was underperforming from January onwards, if not before. Just some were singled out more than others. O'Donnell was not alone in that but he suffered most. Grimshaw came close but in his case he disappeared from the matchday squad for not being good enough but was not made to sit on the bench game in game out.
As for fan votes. I'll take those with a pinch of salt given that many of those voting would not have voted for O'Donnell if he had scored a hat trick in the last five minutes against Celtic/Rangers in a cup final.
And if we are to believe fan votes online, then us Motherwell fans voted Goss as our player of the year in the matchday BBC poll.
I think O'Donnell was treated appallingly. You don't. We'll just have to agree to differ.
I think we will but this is the last I will say. You clearly have more people agreeing with you as you have the post likes!
How where they not treated the same way? Carroll and McGinley played a merry go round with each other and both ended up starting less games than O'Donnell. I do agree that both individuals more particularly Carroll was at fault for certain goals and he did lose his place like O'Donnell. So how is that not the same? Shields only started 17 matches in a yoyo season, was he treated unfairly? MacGuire was injured for most of the season. Watt was our best player and led us ultimately to 5th dropping him would have been insane.
I don't think I agree that our support on Steelmenonline online are petty enough that if O'Donnell had some form of cracking game the fans would not vote for him. Kelly won man of the match in our last game by a mile where some of his comments may have caused supporters not to vote. I cannot remember O'Donnell having good games. I've seen him be ok but can't recollect better than that. Talking about this Motherwell supporters site and the BBC where one man and his dog voted is not comparable.
It's up to O'Donnell to prove me wrong, if he plays well I'll be the first to acknowledge. There is no grudge to bare. He simply needs to do the business on the pitch.
PS: I agree with every single post David has made, more eloquently put than myself! (but i did use the word eloquently)
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Short term memories. O'Donnell made about five critical errors in games in a row. Crazy handballs to not clearing his lines (remember now?) gifting goals.
I am the polar opposite to your narrative, I couldn't believe when we signed O'Donnell and thought it was a coup for the club.
Stinks of player power and when Gannon got sacked for dropping seniors who were simply not playing well.
No one has a god given right to play when they are playing poorly.
Which is why I found it nice and refreshing to see the young man make his debut last week ahead of Tierney who played poorly in his last game.
* Name 5 decent games he's had. Where did he finish in last seasons votes by fans?
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On 7/25/2022 at 12:16 PM, Great Balls of Shire said:
think its the old thing of becoming a better player by not playing . i said before we had the worst full backs in spl, ga has addressed the rb position , but not the left.I would be for giving sod a chance at lb , it may work but he was a large part of the defensive problems last year. so on this one , i dont blame the manager
This comment is absolutely smack on the money.
"O'Donnell's critics go away when he has a good game" - I've seen games he's been ok - but I can't think of any games where he has stood out at all. What position did he finish/how many points did he get in this forum for last year (perhaps on a per game basis?) - my gut says not many.
Seems a nice guy and wish him all the best but I'd certainly rather have McGinn.
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5 hours ago, FirParkCornerExile said:
Not for someone who thinks Aberdeen and Hibs won't be better next year. That was the entire point I can't for a minute believe they will be any worse than they were last year. If others are so confident they will be it's up to them to take the bet. An improvement is anything better than they did last year. That's all I said at the outset that they will be better than last year.
I'll take the bet. Aberdeen will be 6ish or better. Hibs worse. Have you seen who they have signed???
Joe Efford
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Efford can play as a striker.