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I don't often agree with Ya Bezzer either but I always like reading what he has to say and to be fair to him he has been flagging up the poor league performance for some time now. I was actually coming on tonight to make the point you have made about Cooper, Russell etc (you could add Tommy Coyne to that list). I think the days of attracting big names in the twilight of their careers is all but over. I fall into to the happy clapper camp when it comes to retaining football managers. I think the term happy clapper is misused however in the sense that the happy clappers I believe are actually the realists who know how difficult the job of a football manger is and don't go pretending that there is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow with the next new man that roles into town. A turn around time of about 2 years at Motherwell for a manager over the last decade shows how tough the gig is. For me the manager has to be given the support of the board and the fans. He has brought a professionalism to the club that has at times been missing in recent years. Those in the know say that he has taken the quality of the training sessions to a new level and it is clear that the players are fit and motivated even if things are not clicking at the moment. I think we must be careful not to confuse a lack of confidence with a lack of effort. Robinson's biggest crime has been the inability to replace Kipre and Moult but let's face it that was always going to be a very tough task. You can see the thinking behind bringing Johnson to the club. It has not worked out (yet) but that is the risk that every football manager takes. I enjoyed reading Weeyin's comments about McLean's time because it highlighted very well the lean times under McLean. Sadly I think the days of giving managers the time McLean had are long gone but it would be nice to think that Motherwell could still retain some of the spirit of the Chapman days. For every good spell with a manager I could highlight poor spells that people tend to forget about. McGhee's first six months at Motherwell brought some of the best football I have ever seen at Firpark. His second season (not his second spell) was poor and there was many a game of hoof ball and head tennis in that season. I think Robinson can ride this out and I would like to see him be given the chance.

I'll accept that I'm getting old and crotchety but to me this attitude is part of the problem. Ask players in the 80 & 90's, and even the 00's, about losing in two major finals and they'd probably say it was the worst experience of their careers. These days players say it was the highlight. They are natural born losers. I'll say it again and again. Professional standards have been lowered over and over until we have the current standard of player - small time, lower league journey men. We need to start making demands of the players again. If you play in the top level of a national league you should have basic passing skills. A lot of our squad don't even have that. I don't expect us to win every game but I expect us to try and win every game. Doesn't happen any more. Last weeks debacle against Livingston showed just how far we'd fallen. Not just a Motherwell problem, the whole game in Scotland needs a massive kick up the arse.

Do you still have your boots?

Cannae argue with any of that, and as Andy P said earlier, we had 2 weeks to work on yesterday and THAT is what we come up with?!?!

I don’t even know where to start. Utterly abysmal and devoid of entertainment. Only parts I enjoyed involved David Turnbull but his teammates clearly were not on the same footballing wavelength. No width at all and seriously I wish people would stop saying we play 3-5-2. We don’t we play with wing backs. We are playing a 5-3-2. Cadden and Tait where playing as full backs. Right in line with the back three. Wingbacks should be advanced of the back three and they clearly weren’t. This completely negates any width in our team. Cadden to cross a ball has to run 60-70 yards up the pitch first. We need to go back to two out wide either side, be it 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1 or 4-5-1 . However I don’t think any of our strikers are suited to a lone role. Also although we don’t concede lots a lot of our problems are coming from the sheer inability of Aldred & Hartleys to find a Well player with headers/passes from the back. The amount of time it either goes out the park or to an opposition player. Thus putting us straight back on the defensive. Also let’s be 100% clear and honest, 1 goal in 4 games agains Hamilton, Livingston, St Johnstone and Hearts is utterly disgraceful and completely unacceptable. Not just that but across the 4 games you will be lucky if we have reached double figures on chances and shots on target.

Actually thought like the Hamilton game we were better team for first hour. Not saying much as ST J were quite poor. But our failure to score from any chances means we are always likely to live to regret it at some point. Robinson admits the subs did not work out but, in his defence Frear and Johnson were put on to try and win the game. It backfired but showed some ambition. Not sticking up for Robinson but what can he do when neither Main nor Cadden can hit the target when clear and in the box. For all that St Johnstone stepped it up a notch last 20 minutes and we were poor. I think we deserved a draw but when you give opponents corner after corner something is likely to give. Robinson will be given at least the next 2 games but anything less than 4 points should leave his position untenable. We have broadly the same players who got us to 2 cup finals and some decent youngsters so would like to think we have enough to stay up. But maybe needs a fresh perspective to deliver a change in fortunes.

Obviously a choice that was always going to be debatable and we are taking the best of a very bad bunch here but he put in his usual shift in and tried to hold the ball up and play others in at times while just about everyone else seemed to just be thrashing the ball in any direction. Turnbull did have a promising debut but dare I say the votes are slightly skewed by the fact he’s a young player everyone has wanted in for ages. I’m also slightly biased as Bowman used to play for my hometown club York.

We have a very tough fixture list coming up after the next two against Dundee and St. Mirren. As is well known I'm not particularly a fan of Robinson but I don't see what kind of improvement is likely from firing him given the upcoming matches. There is no point changing the manager over the next couple of months. Right now the change needs to come from the manager and his philosophy rather than a change of manager. If nothing improves when we get into December then will be the time to make the change and give the incoming manager a better chance to pick up points and bring in new faces. Bringing in a new manager to face off against Celtic twice, Aberdeen, Rangers, Hearts etc is basically chopping off the new guys legs straight from the start. I'm afraid you wanted Robinson and now you need to take your medicine.

That was atrocious today . Think Robinson’s ran out of ideas . Was looking for improvement this season but we’ve gone backwards . He doesn’t seem to know how to change and we only play one way . And to compound matters other teams have sussed us out . Think the end is near for Robbo . Would loved him to succeed but it ain’t happening . Never heard so much rumblings since the Malpas day’s . Today was a truly awful watch