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I confidently predict both of them will be labeled as 'shite' prior to playing for us and missing any chances in their first appearances will see them promoted to 'wage thief'.

You say that he should have "completed his apprenticeship with us" then moved on, as if it's a given that a club like Leeds would come calling again a few years later? As I said previously, that's not how professional football works. It's not a three or four step program. What if he'd stayed with us and not made the grade? Or run into a similar issue as the one he faced when here on loan? A manager who didn't fancy him and a team that was shit? We've happily cut loose players like Corey O’Donnell, Daniel Hunter, Kian Speirs and Logan Dunachie without a second thought. What's to say McKinstry wouldn't have ended up suffering a similar fate? Nah, when a club like Leeds come calling, you make the move. Any "apprenticeship" he could complete playing in a Motherwell team in the SPFL is no better than working with coaches like Marcelo Bielsa and training alongside the kind of players Leeds had, in the facilities that Leeds train at. Football is a short career. You make the money when you can, because once it's all over and done with, it's the money that will be paying your mortgage or setting you up for the next stage of your life.

poppadom tsh, surely? (just rogan joshin')

I'm glad the forum didn't exist when Lama TT signed a Mr Arnott from the juniors. Funny thing is signing any player is a gamble and that's the market we operate in, we're bottom feeders looking for the odd gold nugget in the dirt, or develop local talent, where the fuck has everyone been for the last 132 years (Boyle's scatter cash year omitted, but even then we signed some expensive shite)

Would the manager sign them if he thought they were that shite ? After all he did a great job last year turning the team around that no one thought he could do , so i will go with his judgment for the now. Then I think i will wait to see them play and how he plays them before i piss ma pants.

I'm not one for pessimism or kneejerk reactions, but I'm a tad worried about the signings this summer.

It was bad enough signing Obika who was hopeless for us. Signing a guy who was even worse for St Johnstone is fucking unbelievable. Does Kettlewell think talking pish in BBC interviews can replace scoring goals? You genuinely have to wonder what he is thinking about with these signings.

Us drawing Airdrie give me the fear as they would almost certainly beat us.

Mrs grizzly has told me to pitta sock in it!!!..... sorry....I will stop now