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Embarrassing, rudderless, unfit.
Worryingly accurate. We look drastically unfit and have done since the beginning of last season. We got away with it in several matches last year and again last weekene but today we've not been so lucky. We need McCall to step up to the plate and find a plan B.
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3-1 us. Ojamaa to make the difference.
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Disappointing to lose late on like that but it's hardly a shock given our absentees and United's pace and power in attack. Hopefully we'll get back to winning ways on Saturday against Inverness.
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For some reason I've got a feeling we'll get a point from this one. 2-2 with Sutton and Ainsworth scoring.
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1407624553[/url]' post='418746']
Too many people are being clouded by the result. If Erwin hadn't got that break of the ball then this would be a very different thread.
I really don't think anyone is allowing the result to cloud judgement. It was not a great performance from us, anything but, and we've got a lot of work to do in order to improve our performamce. However we won the game and that is the main thing and given the downer since the Stjarnan debacle then it was important for us to start the season with a positive result, otherwise confidence and mood would have dropped further. Regardless of how many chances St.Mirren had, it's goals that win you games and we scored, they didn't so we get the points and they get none. Hopefully we'll take confidence from this and that stands us in good stead for the season ahead.
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If Thompson was fit we would have lost by 3 or 4. Abysmal.
It wasn't a great performance but after all the gloom of recent weeks we badly needed that win and I'm just delighted we got it. Yes St.Mirren had plenty of chances but they failed to take them so that's their problem not ours. I think our lads deserve credit for hanging in and getting the result.
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1407189541[/url]' post='418328']
Is it a game of football you are interested in or a jolly down south?Thats a few times you've lashed out because someone disagrees with you,maybe time to calm down a bit.
Can't speak for something else, but I think his point was quite obviously that we should be looking to test ourselves against the best possible opposition as possible in order to prepare ourselves for the season ahead. As mentioned, various other clubs are playing against decent/top sides from down south and indeed do so on a yearly basis. Regardless of how these matches go it must be good preparation for the players to play against sides like that AND it does add a bit of glamour for the club and the supporters.
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3-2 St.Mirren.
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1407022672[/url]' post='418202']
I'm not at all happy about the way our very short European adventure went or about our pre season preparations or about our injuries but a sinking ship......come on. Our league campaign hasn't yet started and we haven't kicked a ball in domestic cup competitions yet. We've been in far worse situations before.
Yes I think we are a sinking ship. As the club are never done telling us, the Cup games are massive to us as they bring in much needed revenue and as a result of our recent utter failures in that department we have made significant losses. You can add our latest Euro flop to that aswell. We aren't likely to bring in any new faces for the new season whilst other sides are strengthening their squads and our threadbare squad is already ravaged with injury before the campaign has even begun! You can spin that anyway you want but that is not good. Also, who is running our club? Who's making the 'big decisions' now that Dempster has gone? And why did she bail out? There's a number of questions surrounding our club right now that aren't being answered and that is a concern.
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1407014720[/url]' post='418195']
How the hell are they all injured. We've hardly played. Same happened last season after the January break we had. Came back worse off than we were before it.
Jeezo we hardly train and when we do we end up with injuries galore. Can't remember a pre season I've felt so pissed off about things for ages.
Again this has to raise serious questions over the training and fitness within the club if we've got injury doubts over so many key players before the season has even started. We looked completely unfit and under prepared against The Icelandic mob and on several occasions last year we were running out of steam by the hour mark in games and for a full time professional club that cannot be right surely .
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Oh ye of little faith.
Some of the biggest greeting faced pessimists live here.
So a few players have some knocks and miss a friendly and it is meltdown time. Ffs get a new hobby you clearly canny handle supporting a fitba team!
Well let's hear why you think differently then? Tell us why we're not right to be deeply concerned at having a squad with no re enforcements and no real chance of re enforcements due to us blowing several hundred thousand pounds by failing against a semi professional outfit in the Europa League?? Not to mention several injuries to key players before a competitive ball has been kicked???
Answers on a postcard please
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Things are genuinely looking bleak for the new season. No new signings, several injuries already and the club already financially hampered by yet another failure in a tie that really mattered. We as a club are a sinking ship.
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1406540875[/url]' post='417745']
Well said that man.....
You like me will also have seen Motherwell in the old 1st division, where our players could hardly string a few passes together. Sure we won twice at a canter, but the football was bowfing...
Be careful what you wish for is the mantra. TBF I believe it is a small minority that would like to see a change in management.
What's seeing Motherwell in the lower divisions what? 25 years ago now got to do with today's team?
The fact is we have, one way or another raised the bar in the last few seasons when we've gone from not just a long time established top flight club but a top half club and in the past few years best of the rest club. We have had a lot of luck in that time but we've also had and still do to an extent have some good players at our disposal. Yet time and again we fail spectacularly in big matches/one off cup ties largely because our attitude, tactics, preparation and fitness are all wrong.
I don't think the majority want a change of management, rather a change of attitude and approach to games like these and a change in results from going out with a whimper no matter how good or bad, full time or part time the opposition are to actually beating such sides and progressing in cups.
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Not at all, I'd love to see us win a cup, just not at the possible expense of us losing our top flight status.
If we finished 5th or 6th and won a cup I'd be happy enough with that.
Agree with this 100%.
There's nothing I'd love more than to see us win one of the domestic cups, especially the Scottish Cup, but not in return for relegation which would be crticially damaging for us as a club.
Give me a 6th to 10th placed league finish this season and a Cup win and I'll be delighted.
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I've given up trying to predict how we'll do in the league as we've managed to defy the odds time and again in recent years despite annual player losses and budget cuts. I really don't think we'll have enough about us this year to outperform Aberdeen and United over the course of a season and I reckon we're looking at a respectable mid table finish providing we can bring in some new faces and our confidence doesn't nose dive. Who knows though?
What I can quite confidently predict without any danger of being proved wrong is that we will do absolutely nothing in either domestic Cup except whimper out at an early stage and if we draw 'The Rangers' or Aberdeen at any stage in either tournament then we'd be as well just not turning up to play the match as we all know we would lose.
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How did we do against Inverness that season? Oh aye, that's right, we thumped them 4-1, 5-1 & 3-0 that season. The whole "well, look what so & so did to them after they beat us" chat is ridiculous.
Its not ridiculous whatsoever its stating fact. Inverness thumped them 3-0 at Ibrox just four weeks after we rolled over against them when they had their best and most expensive players including the aforementioned David Templeton sitting in the stand so that negates your ' they pay bigger wages' excuse straight away. And in any event if you want to go down that road, part time QoS beat them at Ibrox the week before our capitulation against them, their players earn less than ours would I would guess.
The 'Rangers' result was an embarrassment for us, just like last night was and can be put in the same bracket as that and last seasons Albion debacle as three shocking results under mccall's watch.
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1406289953[/url]' post='417408']
As pathetic as it is ill-judged.
It's as if he's trying to add insult to injury every time he opens his mouth on the back of a humiliating defeat. For him to say that this is not embarrassing because Stjarnan train every day is fucking ludicrous. They are a step up from amateurs who would be cannon fodder in the SPFL and we lead them THREE times in the tie, at one point by two goals and we will end up losing 5-4 on aggregate. I honestly don't know what goes through McCall's head when it comes to cup matches and dealing with the inevitable boot in the stones afterwards.
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1406289383[/url]' post='417404']
Don't know if its been posted but McCalls comments in the record are "I'm disappointed to be out but its not embarrassing. Everyone keeps going on about them being part time but they train every day and have lost one game in their last 16. But we should have won over the two ties and we haven't"
Sorry I cant find a link to this on their website
Jesus suffering fuck!
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1406289018[/url]' post='417401']
Know what I hate? I HATE being a cuddly, fluffy, friendly family club. I cannot STAND the constant "yeah we'll do our best but it's a privilage to be playing at this level" nonsense, and our media sound-bites regarding any of our players, no matter who it is are based around "yeah he's a good lad, works hard, keeps his head down, hopefully one day he'll be able to get a good move to an arse-end division side but we'll keep him grounded"
People criticize Aberdeen for their Billy-Big-Baws attitude, and other fans hate them for it but you know what....i'd LOVE a bit of that. It sickens me when you hear fans of other clubs talking about how nice we are, and how there isn't much to hate, and how we're so realistic.
"We're going into this game feeling like favourites, and this is a game we should win"
And then actually play like we believe it, because whether it's true or not....we should believe it. So we lose soemtiems and end up with egg on our faces, looking stupid, but who cares! We look stupid anyway...and i'd rather look stupid for thinking we're amazing, than look stupid because we look like the playground sap that doesn't even believe they should be there.
We might still take a tanking....but whoever beats us should most definitely be appreciating their victory whilst lying in the hospital bed next to us, not sitting in the pub laughing at how pathetic we were whilst we borderline apologise for daring to turn up.
In a nutshell.
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1406272013[/url]' post='417312']
At least we still have the domestic cup games to look forward to. This could be our year.
Just about every lower league/part time club in the country will be desperate to draw us in one of the cups as they will look at the Albion Rovers result and our capitulation against the semi professional Icelandic side and rightly fancy their chances.
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I just can't get over the sheer frustration of that debacle last night and last week. As I've said before, I don't really view Europe as anything more than a two game bit of fluff at the start of a season as we're never going to make any sort of impact there but I can honestly count on one hand the number of European matches I've seen us involved in that I've actually enjoyed and we have plunged new depths with this fiasco and we're now a laughing stock. Let's face it, to enjoy us being in Europe you need to be able to fork out time and money to travel abroad for the tartan army style piss up whilst shrugging off the inevitable disappointment. For me well I just don't see the appeal and if I wanted a few jars before or after the football then I'd do what I've done for years and go to the electric bar before and after the games. You try and get excited by us playing in Europe but with the clubs poor PR in the build up and absolute embarrassments like last night then it's very hard to. If I never see us playing another European match again it won't be a day too soon.
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I don't think their will be much soul searching or big changes after this game - there never is. We'll probably finish 4th this season, get knocked out the cups early, possibly sneak into Europe again (and appear absolutely toothless again) before losing our best players on a free. It's the Motherwell way.
It's been the Motherwell way over the past few seasons alright but there is going to come a time sooner or later when our constant cup failures resulting in budgets being cut and players lost is going to catch up with us. For all it was great to finish second last season we didn't half carry some luck especially in the run in. The games against St.Johnstone, Inverness, Ross County etc we were out on our feet after an hour and just managed to cling on for the win. And that managed to compensate for us doing likewise against Hibs and St.Mirren where we surrendered 2-0 leads.
Our fitness is clearly an issue and yet again last night and last week we ran out of steam and paid for it, all while McCall inexplicably tried to defend a narrow lead when it is patently clear we are simply not capable of doing so.
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Where do we go from here? Quite simply we as a club need to grow a set and address this pathetic losers mentality that we are riddled with from top to bottom. Debacles like last night are continually shrugged off with 'we ain't Barcelona, we're punching waaaay above our weight' all while such results, along with the cup failures are financially damaging us and serious questions should be being asked of the manager, players, preparation tactics and fitness.
Anticipate the standard McCall apology in the next 24 to 48 hours along with vows to learn lessons and put it right in the cup....then we'll get Lasley and Hammell etc tweeting about their lunch at Nandos and their round of golf afterwards, cue everyone thinking 'what a great bunch of lads our boys are' ........repeat the same process after we get pumped out of the league cup at the first hurdle by East Fife or whoever.As someone said in the other thread, the players must love playing at Motherwell because they get such an easy ride of it, from both the club and the support and there is no expectation or desire to go that bit further and achieve something. I hate with a passion the 'We are all Stuart McCall' line but it's probably fairly accurate because our lack of expectation as a club suits him down to the ground. If he ever gets a move to a bigger club he will flop spectacularly because he is no tactical genius and is in fact a poor manager but he gets away with it here because our expectation levels are non existent.-
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Stuart McCall has now overseen two of the most embarrassing defeats in Motherwells history. Albion Rovers in the cup last season and this latest debacle.
That's being generous to him, I make it three if you throw in the 'The Rangers' debacle.
I've said it time and again, McCall is a poor manager and does not for the life of him possess the savy and know how to win games such as this. Yes, he came up trumps against Aberdeen back in May but overall his record does not lie.
In fairness to him its not just him who has the problem. We as a club are a small time outfit with a loser's mentality and a yellow streak as wide as the Clyde running through us from the boardroom to the support. We shrug off utterly inept cup performances and results like tonight with 'We're only Motherwell and we're punching way above our weight' and that is why, IMO we will never achieve anything of note in the game ever again, ie winning a trophy or making some sort of progress in Europe.
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Motherwell V Inverness Ct 16/08/14
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Our fitness or woeful lack of is a major, major concern for me. How in the name of God can we be so off the pace at this early stage in the season when we have had a supposed training trip to Portugal and Europa League matches to help get us prepared for the campaign??? And it's no use offering the excuse of it being early days and we're still rusty etc. because Inverness were streets ahead of us in terms of fitness today and they are at the same stage of their season as we are. I have to ask, just what is it we do in training all week on the days we actually train? For us to be so far behind an opponent like we were today in terms of fitness just three matches into the season is unacceptable.