Gaag
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Really sorry to hear about this - he was an active and very well regarded member of this community and the place won't be the same knowing he's not around having a read.
If anyone is able to go, please get in touch with me - I'd love to send a claret & amber bouquet on behalf of the forum to the funeral.
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There's a wee bit of a difference between pub opening times and slavery too.
There's a wee bit of difference between bananas and oranges - but you still have to peel them both before you eat them.
As I would have thought obvious - the extreme examples are exactly that, extreme. But the way they changed the mind of the governments and people in charge was to force them to reconsider, not to ask nicely.
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Wee bit of a difference between decades of racial oppression and deciding if we play ICT twice or 3 times in a season though, eh?
Obviously - but the political ideology of forcing change is applicable regardless of the point in hand.
Whether it be examples as blatant as that or wind farms, nuclear energy, football leagues, pub opening times, alcohol minimum pricing, cigarette bans.
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I think the votes so far show that our hardcore support are pretty much there for the duration, regardless of what utter shambles the earless SPL/SFL create. I'd imagine this will be the case at most clubs. The trouble is that our hardcore is not overly sizeable, nor is it elsewhere really, and I do not see anything from the reconstruction proposals that will encourage floating fans to attend more regularly or attract new fans to the game.
I couldn't give a monkeys about the SPL/SFL anymore, or any other Club for that matter. I used to attend games as a neutral, was a real football fan - but I'm lost to the game now. If the administrators don't care about fans' opinions then fuck them.
Motherwell is my team, always has been, and always will be regardless of the League structures.
In my opinion this is exactly why nothing will ever change. If people are happy to keep plodding on with getting consistently ignored - then what's the point in even discussing reconstruction or prize money?
Women didn't win the vote by sitting at home thinking it'd be quite nice if they let us have a say. It's not as if we all just woke up one morning and thought "aye, that slavery is right unfair, lets ban it" - change needs to be forced and fought for.
I will never ever stop supporting my team - but it saddens me how many are so apathetic to the situation and are quite happy to continue paying and watching those with nothing but 100% self interest slowly but surely killing the game with greed.
P.S my answer was - I will PATG for cup games, friendlies and euro games - and that'll be my lot I'd think.
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I'd trade it for a Scottish Cup win - oh aye.
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Saša_Ćurčić
Legendary quote under
Known to enjoy his night-life and his appreciation of the opposite sex, he remarked: 'I would not sign for another club, not even if I was offered 15 million dollars. However, it would be different if they were to instead offer me 15 different women from all around the world. I would tell the club chairman: 'Please let me make these women happy - I will satisfy them like they have never been satisfied before'. -
Wonderfull 2nd half performance and it should've been 5 cos Hately's free-kick in the first half was over the line too.
.Come on MJC a wee bit of praise MJC has been praising them. Fair play. Also, Hateley free kick over the line? Naw it wisnae.
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How many points did we end up on last season again?
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Cracking return. Yer a ledge Higgy.
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Belting 2nd half - kudos McCall!
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Goal of the season contender surely?
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And the second! Big man is BACK!
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Yass.
Higgy - what a celebration! GIRUY mcpake
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Our corners are deplorable. How many fooking times do we end up defending up the other end as a result of our utter shiteness at taking a corner kick!
We're never scoring here tonight by the looks of things but unless we tighten up at the back then we'll concede again.
Agreed re the corners but apart from that one little error we haven't been that bad at the back. I'll chalk that down to Lasleys injury that the cross got in there!
If anything I think we look the more like scoring. Hopefully a rocket up the arse will help at half time.
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Get Hateley off those bastardin corners, Jesus fuck!
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Baws. Hate those hibee twats
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Or the Johnny Doyle version ............. It's my Attic and I'll Fry if I Want to <_>
That's stinking mate. Poor show.
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I've done another one from a different machine
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Thanks for your reply Leeann/Alan/Whomever else had input.
I will in turn reply to you point by point.
Prize money
I appreciate that the club has an open door policy and has always been very good at responding promptly to individual requests and emails (certainly in my case anyway) – however the argument can certainly be made that in instances such as this; sometimes any reply is better than none – even just to say “we’re considering the points made and will make a further statement in due course”. The fact that you replied to me is great, and I appreciate that – but there is still no statement on the club website – the official outlet for your news – surrounding reconstruction updates, colt teams or prize money in recent times. You need to have your finger on the pulse of fan sentiment more.
Anyone who knows anything about Scottish football knows that it is reported in the media in a way that spends no particular time or effort on those teams or issues that do not impact the largest teams in the league. So surely it must come as absolutely no surprise to you that the issue of prize money is a bone of contention now. At the time it was “widely” publicised and reported, it was certainly never made clear to me, nor many of the fans on this site, that the team that finished 1st in the SPL retained the same % of prize money as the year before and 2nd lost a significant proportion. Never mind 3rd remaining the same and everyone else gaining 0.5% - that’s not the issue here. It was “publicised” as Celtic making a grand sacrifice to ensure the survival of the other SPL teams. Please excuse my language, but what total bullshit. I’m sure you had your reasons for voting this through – but why not explain it to your fans at the time; considering you must surely have known this would happen.
Which leads me onto my next point.
Why did you think it right to support this one season only solution? I, as a Motherwell fan, don’t concern myself with other clubs finances, but I care about the club you run for us. A starting point for change? Why not just force change instead of starting it? What are you so scared of? Were you that convinced that we wouldn’t finish 2nd or 3rd this year that you didn’t want to keep it as was? Or, perhaps more to the point, what did Celtic threaten you all with if you didn’t agree to this?
How do clubs benefit from a small additional prize fund? If Motherwell finishes second, they aren’t benefitting? They may stand to earn a small fortune less than what they could previously have finished with in that position. How is 3rd place benefitting from this? What is the prize money for finishing 3rd this year, compared to last year?
In my view this is interesting that it’s come up now because we feel as though we’ve had the wool pulled over our eyes by the SPL and the Scottish game. And the only reason we are having this backlash is because it wasn’t communicated properly.
RE: Colt teams: I’m glad for that very simple response – hopefully it’ll be recognised as the power grab it is and get booted into touch by the SFL member clubs and in turn, the rest of the Scottish game. David Longmuir has obviously enjoyed his wee taste of the Old Firm pie this season, which has left him begging for more. Makes us all feel a wee bit like crack addicts needing to rely on them so much.
Finally. League Reconstruction.
Where to start!
Actually, I’ll start by telling you what I’m going to do if this goes through. I’m going to not buy a season ticket, I’m not going to attend any more SPL games and will only attend on cup games/friendlies/European games. Please don’t take this as insincere bluster, and don’t think me as the only person that is likely to do this. I don’t want to do it, it’d be very difficult for me to do it – but I just cannot justify it anymore. The game is broken, from the ground up – and the only way to fix it is to grab the bull by the horns and do it. Not just make a couple of wee changes to tide you over till Rangers re-join the league. This is not aimed at just you OfficialMFC, but every single club in Scottish football.
If the only options on the table are Status Quo or the proposed new set up – why don’t you all not just get together, sort your own futures out (without the meddling of Doncaster and the SPL) and say, do you know what? We all believe so strongly in this that we are not agreeing to either, and as such, here’s a new proposal. We have to be prepared to make big sacrifices for the long term viability of the game. If we don’t, our club won’t exist in 25yrs time, I’m sure of it.
The ‘Well Society members have agreed on the proposed suggestion because you haven’t provided them with another option. 11 clubs having a public vote of no confidence in the SPL or Neil Doncaster would soon make them go back to the drawing board.
Why do you think the crowds are as they are now? The reasons are clear to see:
- Too expensive
- Poor Quality
- Television
- Playing the same time 3/4 times a season
- Lack of Competition
- Winter Football
- Financial tightening of everyone's belts
I could name a few more. This new proposal, in my opinion, will have an impact on attendances and season ticket sales – What’s the point in buying a season ticket when you don’t know which part of the three sections you’ll end up in and you might even end up with points being reset?
On April 15th 2013 – I hope and trust that you will do what’s right for our club. Not what’s right for this season or next, but what’s right for the long term future of the Scottish game.
Competitiveness and fairness wins over greed. If the SPL aren’t playing ball – then the clubs shouldn’t play ball with them.
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Ballsed that up Andy!
Anyway:
Motherwell FC Official wrote.....
Keith, the club is never too busy to communicate with supporters, there are different times and different forums for this, however, let's take the three issues you've highlighted.Reconstruction – the current state of affairs is that we have met with the members of the 'Well Society.The general debate and outcomes from that day were largely covered in a members update and emailed to 'Well Society members. It is also fair to say that the discussions from that day were also covered in this forum.We said at that meeting that, although we did not like all of the reconstruction proposal, there was more to like than not and we felt that it was a better solution for our club moving forward over the next few years.
Some at the meeting had a different perspective however we communicated the issues and gave the group all the information we had at that point. We took a vote at the end of that meeting to see if the mood had changed and, by in large, it had.On the 15th April 2013 (SPL reconstruction voting day) there will be two options for us to vote on for our club. These are either to try a new set up as proposed or to remain the same.There are no current options for 14 or 16, these are not on the table and are unlikely to be on the table for the foreseeable future.Irrespective of what we want as a club, we can only vote on what the majority have put forward.
We have spoken to 'Well Society members, heard their positions and comments but we want and understand the need to address the entire support on this matter so, as already highlighted after the 'Well Society meeting, there will be a supporter meeting organised before we are required to vote on this change. You or anyone else can ask any questions you like at this meeting and we won't dodge the answer; to be fair to the board, I don't think we ever do but others may think differently. We will post soon to advise when the meeting is planned.
Your second point - Colt Teams - came out of left field on Monday, has been off the agenda for months and months and we see no reason for that to change.
Your last point - Prize Money - this was a proposal that was put to clubs in October. At the time, all eleven clubs decided to support this one season only solution.This was agreed mostly as a starting point to change; it felt like the right thing to do at the time, all clubs would benefit from a small additional prize fund and, importantly, we'd revisit the full distribution, voting etc in due course. It is interesting that this has come up now given it was voted on, agreed and publicised throughout the press at the time.Happy to be more specific at the meeting on any point you or anyone elsewishes
to bring up.
The 'Well Society is your way of taking control of these choices, overtime any board of any organisation has to make tough choices. Ideally supporters can make these choices in due course once the Society has a controlling shareholding.It is down to the will and the want of Motherwell supporters when this happens, the board are not stopping this from happening in any way but until it does, we are tasked with doing what we feel is best for the long term future of the club.
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been trying to ask a number of pertinent questions for days with nothing but stoney silence.
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Wedding the next day - not spending anymore money this weekend than I have to
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aye - quite good to go to the fitba straight from work and get a couple of pints knowing you don't have to bother about work the next day (if you do m-f 9to5 that is)
I've always enjoyed night games under the floodlights, makes for a better atmosphere.
That said, I'm not going.
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the sfl seem to want colt teams as part of their side of the bargain. they probably see long term value in it for the clubs in the bottom two leagues, if the bottom 18 teams are only getting 30-40 grand a year central cash then home games against the colt teams could increase that significantly.
would the spl teams refuse the merger on the grounds of colt teams? if the financial reality of the status quo is as bad as they are saying then i don't think they would.
The SFL booted out the idea of colt teams unanimously at the start of the season - it's David Longmuir driving this agenda and continuing to push it, even though the clubs have strongly said no.
Esteban Casagolda
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Hands up who gives a monkey's?
Well done for your first post... how prophetic