Jonesy
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28 minutes ago, MJC said:
Just because we’ve “got there” in the past doesn’t mean that we will get there this time around.
The reality is that we are probably due to be relegated, overdue perhaps. I am not one of these Motherwell fans who sees us as this tinpot nonentity that are smaller than clubs like Falkirk, Dunfermline, Morton etc and who no doubt would be in favour of us merging with Accies “for the good of the Scottish game” and all that nonsense…but given the level we operate at the budget available to us and that clubs who are undoubtedly bigger than us have been relegated more than once during our 40 year stay in the top flight then it’s inevitable sooner or later.
Looking at our current situation, a poor squad bloated with guff and devoid of quality and a manager in place who - in my opinion - was the wrong choice of appointment and won’t last the season with us then that for me points to this season finally being the one where we are relegated.
We will end up relegated at some point but with Falkirk, Livi, Steven Presley's Dundee and (dare I say it) Stuart Kettlewell's Kilmarnock in the league it won't be this season.
If you can at least accept relegation will happen at some point you'd be as well trying to enjoy it and have a bit of fun with it now and then rather than being a constant fucking misery.
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6 minutes ago, wellfan said:
I ask again. Who’s pissed their pants or gone insane?
Apart from all the examples listed, no one. You're right.
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2 hours ago, wellfan said:
Who’s pissed themselves or gone insane on here?
The over-the-top jibes aimed at those of us who dare to use a fans’ forum to offer balanced criticism and praise of the team are pathetic. It’s a tired, lazy trope at this point.
"Defensively worryingly bad"
"Miles off it, nowhere near the level"
"Verging on embarrassing"
"Looked awful"
"Worrying signs already at this early stage"
"Players X,Y,Z shouldn't be anywhere near the first team"
"Chasing shadows"
"Early days but uninspiring. Expected better" (Albeit as part of a much more sensible post)
"In for a rude awakening when the real stuff starts"
All sound pretty pant pissy to me.
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I wonder if the Twente fans pissed their pants this much over drawing 2-2 with us last summer, before going on to finish 5th in the Eredivisie?
Falkirk lost to Edinburgh City at the weekend and they've probably stayed more sane than most of the folk on here.
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17 minutes ago, wellgirl said:
We are also in the situation where other teams can afford to pay more than us. St Mirren. Killie. Assume we'll be relying on the usual free transfers and loans
Slattery, Stamatelopoulous and Balmer cost more than St Mirren and Killie have spent in recent years combined.
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1 hour ago, Spiderpig said:
Its all ancient history ffs nobody gives a toss apart from you apparently, so can we start discussing the present challenges facing the club, and not what some long forgotten manager allegedly said or did 18 years ago
18 years ago!?
Numbers aren't your strong point, eh?
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45 minutes ago, twistandshout1983 said:
I am no fan of him either , the way he handled the Uncle Phil tragedy he has my biggest respect on that forever .
Folk say this all the time when talking about McGhee.
What would he (or whoever might have been incharge at the time) have had to have done (or said) for people to say anything otherwise?
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20 hours ago, wellgirl said:
You're raging because he threw supporters under the bus. I get that but it was months ago and what's the point in keeping digging at him?
I'm still bitter about Malpas and McLeish they were both about 20 and 30 years ago.
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34 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said:
Correct, in my defence I wrote that last night while slightly drunk 🥴
The most important part of this appointment is getting someone who can be trusted to spend their cut of the Miller millions wisely and not hand it over to a complete tit like McLeish and Davies as we did previously.
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6 hours ago, Stuwell2 said:
This management appointment is possibly the most important one post administration and I don’t envy the boards task. Ignoring the arse cheeks at least Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs, Dundee and Dundee Utd will all out spend us this season on player purchase and wages leaving us - potentially (if money equates to a better position, which we all know doesn’t always happen but could) - fighting it out with St.Mirren, Killie, Falkirk and Livingston to avoid the bottom 2 spots.
Although we will have money from LM’s transfer I don’t think we will see much of that being reinvested in players as long term projects like a training ground will eat into that.
So that leaves us with two options, a hopefully safe option with someone who knows the Scottish game and can grind out another season in the top flight or another Wimmer type more risky option which hopefully lifts us to a higher level.
Neither option is a stick on to succeed and could etch the boards names in Motherwell’s history as the board that got us relegated/took us to the Great Leap Forward - no pressure at all then.It's nowhere near the most important appointment post admin. The Wimmer appointment itself was much more important. The Kettlewell and Alexander appointments also. You could also add Craig Brown and Mark McGhee 1.0 to that list off the top of my head. Baraclough as well, probably.
Livi and Falkirk being in the league should give us a fair bit of breathing space to the bottom of the league. Dundee deciding to become a basket case again after a couple of relatively quiet seasons, Killie replacing McInnes with SK and St Mirren potentially losing Robbo should make the season even more comfortable. We'd have to genuinely have one of our worst seasons ever (not one of the kid on ones everyone has claimed we've had for the last 15 years) to finish below 2 of that lot.
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1 hour ago, Toxteth O'Grady said:
Finally a rumour! Just a pity it is from The Sun
If that mentions a recommendation from Ange anywhere I'll pass. He recommended signing Danzaki.
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9 minutes ago, weeyin said:
I might be misremembering, but I thought Neilson was in charge during the spell Hearts were subject to a signing embargo and his first stint in the Championship involved playing youngsters.
I think he was also head of Hearts Academy at one point.
I could be wrong but my memory of that is they were relegated under Gary Locke with a team of youngsters during the transfer embargo, then Neilson came in.
It would be a bit of a cheek for him for bringing them through when they'd already had a full season in the top flight under their belt - a bit like the Kettlewell puff pieces giving him credit for developing Cornelius, who made his debut under Robbo and played dozens of games under Alexander and Hammell, or Miller a generational talent who made his debut under Hammell and only a total moron wouldn't have moved into the first team.
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8 minutes ago, David said:
It really depends on what the club wants.
If it wants pragmatic solidity, clear structure, and safety-first organisation that grinds results, Neilson is your man.
If they prefer high-intensity pressing, rapid transitions, attacking fluidity, and a knack for developing youth talent, someone like Wimmer offers a more modern, progressive style.
Yep, but if we go from an unpopular Option A manager to going all in on Option B and giving everyone a bit of optimism then suddenly back to someone from Option A in the space of 3 months - despite talking about using the same metrics in our search - it would show that we've really got no idea about what our plan is or what we want our 'identity' to be.
Like a heavily scaled down version of Everton failing to get Bielsa so appointing Sean Dyche instead. Guys from complete opposite ends of the spectrum who teams that know what they are doing and what they are looking for would never have in the same conversation.
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16 minutes ago, fizoxy said:
What is Neilsons style? I don't pay much attention to the other teams. Does he have a preferred formation?
Also, did he not leave hearts for a job down south the first time around?
Dull and boring seems to be his style. He left for MK Dons first time round but the fans were already heavily on his back - they flew a plane over Tynecastle wanting him out.
2nd time round was much the same and he was eventually hounded out again.
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47 minutes ago, weeyin said:
I'd be OK with Neilson. He has a decent track record in the Premiership, he has experience developing youngsters with Hearts, and he likes to play attacking football.
(And as an ex-full back, might know how to organise a defence).
I don't really remember him being big on bringing through youth players at Hearts, or even Dundee Utd. Was it not his Hearts team that was full of old guys like Naismith, Lafferty, Michael Smith etc?
He was hunted from Hearts twice for playing depressing football.
Apart from that we completely agree.
Going from Wimmer to Neilson would suggest to me we don't really know what it is we want.
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7 hours ago, wunderwell said:
I’ve heard that the strip is kind of like a continual blend of our colours merging
whatever the hell that means…
maybe that’s like amber flowing gradually down into claret or the other way round
sounds interesting anyway
I actually had the thought this morning that this image of Fadinger might be a bit of a hint for the new kit. That would tie in a little with what you're saying
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1 hour ago, stv said:
Aye but if his house is in Edinburgh that a very big improvement over the last guy
Who cares if he's any good or fits what we're looking for, his postcode is nearby.
If that's the attitude we take I'll be after a refund on my season ticket.
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4 hours ago, mfc said:
Neilson is touting himself for our job,dundee and thistle,he's a shit manager desperate to get in anywhere he can,I hope we give him a wide berth.
If we're using the same data metrics to appoint a manger as we did with Wimmer Neilson won't be anywhere near it.
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4 minutes ago, wellon said:
Thompson, again, I don't mind, but if it's between him and seddon, I'd probably go for seddon
In a choice between Seddon or Thompson, Thompson should be 3rd on the list.
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2 hours ago, Yabba's Turd said:
Paton likely to end up at Killie?
Here's hoping.
Seddon, Casey and, at a push, Ebiye are the only ones we should be considering keeping on.
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7 hours ago, purestate said:
Any away from combo below would suit me thanks
QP (it’s my home game)Kelty Hearts (never been)
Spartans (daughter’s nearby)
EK (my other home game)
Queen's Park and Spartans would be home games.
Ideally we want Queens Park from pot 2. By far the worst team in that group. (We'll get Morton because we always do)
Pot 3 I'd take anyone but ideally a trip to Inverness, Alloa, QOTS or Stenny
Pot 4 Dumbarton or Spartans at home.
Pot 5 Away to anyone but Clyde or EK, thanks. Brechin, Brora, Stranraer, Forfar, Bonnyrigg, Stirling - in that order.
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15 minutes ago, steelman1991 said:
Could get behind that appointment
His Dundee team conceded over 130 in 2 seasons.
No ta.
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46 minutes ago, mothman said:
VAR was rejected by the top-flight clubs in Sweden, so it's not outwith the realm of possibility with collective objection/action. Although it was never introduced there in the first place, so a slightly different situation.
Norway brought in VAR, but similar to us are scunnered with it. Their top flight clubs voted earlier this year to get rid of it from next season, but the vote then failed when it had to be ratified by the lower league clubs and they bizarrely voted to keep it in place - even though they don't use VAR outside the top flight.
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Hopefully we have a wee word in Ronan Hale's ear on Sunday to join us if County go down.
It wouldn't be terrible if we could get Noah Chilvers from them as well
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FC Twente v Motherwell
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For a start it's a pre season friendly so I don't really know why anyone cares.
Beyond that we're getting used to another new manager who is setting up in a new formation and asking them to actually play football after 2 years of being told that the ball is their enemy, not to go anywhere near it and just let the other team keep it, of course there will be teething problems.
Picking up on things like we didn't look comfortable playing out from defence or that the players were too slow to pick there pass (at time it felt like you could see their thoughts processing in real time but they're obviously still not sure of themselves yet) is a critique. Writing off some of the players or labelling it embarrassing is well past that and into lost the heid, pissed your wee panties territory.