Infamous Wee Grafter Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Just looking at trains to the Aberdeen game and was wondering if anyone knows whether Scotrail are actually enforcing the 9pm booze ban or not? Dinnae fancy making the trip hame without a beer or two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special aka Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Apparently yes, they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casey Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 They weren't on Saturday!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordy Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 They weren't on Saturday!!! Please see the full official statement below. on drinking or visibly carrying alcohol on ScotRail trains between 9pm and 10am. We are also refusing travel to people who are not considered fit to do so due to the effects of alcohol. Our staff use common sense. Customers’ bags are not searched, and the new rules have been gently phased in to give people time to get used to the idea. Speaking on the launch date, Steve Montgomery, ScotRail’s managing director, said: “Customers should be able to travel in a safe and friendly environment. “It’s time to call a halt on the irresponsible minority who spoil journeys for the majority. These individuals disrupt services, abuse staff and fellow customers, and cause accidents.” In the six months to July 2012, ScotRail uncovered at least 260 occasions when British Transport Police (BTP) had to respond to drink-related incidents; an increasing number of trains delayed due to anti-social behaviour; and at least one accident a week caused by excessive alcohol. What's changed? There are two elements to the changes: A ban on the consumption and carrying of alcohol on board our trains (except the Caledonian Sleeper) seven days a week between 9pm and 10am. We will turn away anyone we believe is unfit to travel due to the effects of alcohol. If they are already on a train - having boarded at an unmanned station - arrangements will be made for BTP to meet the train. How does this work? The ban is enforced by BTP through a national Railway Byelaw allowing train operators to stop intoxicated people travelling, prevent the carrying of alcohol, and publicly declare that certain services are so-called ‘dry trains’ where the consumption and carrying of alcohol is banned. (Railway Byelaw 4 – parts 1, 2 and 3). Alcohol is already banned on specific ScotRail trains during major events. This extension will further improve our customers’ experience and reduce alcohol-related anti-social behaviour at stations and on trains. BTP will be alerted if passengers refuse to leave after being declined access to trains or if behaviour causes concern to train crew or passengers during a journey, just as they do just do for public order offences. Do you still sell alcohol on trains? Yes. However, ‘last orders’ will apply on trains with catering services. We stop selling alcohol at 8.30pm and customers are politely reminded to drink up by 9pm. If someone has alcohol in a carrier bag, are they not breaking the law? Common sense is being applied. There are many laws that have a wider scope than is actually applied in practice. The ban is not aimed at passengers returning from a shopping trip with a bottle of wine or a few cans of beer. However, anyone visibly carrying alcohol during these times (opened or unopened) will not be allowed to travel, so we are advising to people to pack it away and keep it out of sight. So it’s okay if people have alcohol in their bags, where it cannot be seen? We are not searching bags. Remember, the key purpose of the ban is to ensure customers can make rail journeys safely and in a friendly environment, no matter the time of day. Why have you made an exception for the Sleeper? The Sleeper is ‘a hotel on wheels', with a lounge car serving hot food and alcohol, and is exempt. However, anyone unfit to travel is not allowed on board, and staff actions if faced with on-board anti-social behaviour are the same as for ‘dry’ trains. What about alcohol at stations? Alcohol retailers have a legal obligation not to sell alcohol to anyone who appears to be unduly under the influence of alcohol. Local authority byelaws already prevent drinking at about 70% of our stations. If a passenger is refused access to the last train home because they are unfit to travel, what happens to them? They will be asked to leave the station and find alternative transport. If they refuse to do so, British Transport Police will be called. This is about encouraging people to take responsibility for their own actions. If they wish to get the train home, they must ensure they are fit to travel. Just as now, arrangements are in place to care for vulnerable passengers, or those with children. What if they already have a valid ticket to travel? Anyone turned away because of anti-social behaviour is not entitled to a refund. What do I do if I see someone causing problems on my train because they are under the influence? Move away from the person if you can, into another carriage ideally. Then report it to the member of staff on board. In more extreme circumstances, call BTP directly on 0800 405040. Keeping you informed National rail conditions of carriage ScotRail & the environment Kids Go Free Popular Destinations Travelpasses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casey Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I'm ok then, I had mine in a bag! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous Wee Grafter Posted February 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Mind when fun was allowed, sigh..... Looks like a sneaky carry out is in order, allegedly of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Mind when fun was allowed, sigh..... Looks like a sneaky carry out is in order, allegedly of course. Im someone who enjoys a bevy& sneaky few beers on the train as much as the next person. But as someone who has regularly got the last train home on Friday nights for 10+ years, i can tell you theres nothing worse than seeing boozed up arseholes causing bother. Ive lost count of the number of pricks i've saw assault members of the public on those trains or cause enough bother the driver stops the train until the police arrive further holding up everyone else. The booze ban isnt there to stop you getting on the train after a good session, its there to stop the arseholes who take it too far. I 100% support it, as long as they only police it in a 'sensible' manner the way they have advertised. Ide also like to think the scotrail staff would look the other way at a 'sneaky wee carryout' as long as no-ones causing bother 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolhandluc Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Im someone who enjoys a bevy& sneaky few beers on the train as much as the next person. But as someone who has regularly got the last train home on Friday nights for 10+ years, i can tell you theres nothing worse than seeing boozed up arseholes causing bother. Ive lost count of the number of pricks i've saw assault members of the public on those trains or cause enough bother the driver stops the train until the police arrive further holding up everyone else. The booze ban isnt there to stop you getting on the train after a good session, its there to stop the arseholes who take it too far. I 100% support it, as long as they only police it in a 'sensible' manner the way they have advertised. Ide also like to think the scotrail staff would look the other way at a 'sneaky wee carryout' as long as no-ones causing bother Well said Stall.........better behave masel on the way back from Edinburgh mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stall Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 I should say, I back the general 9pm ban across the network. Im not however convinced about targetting 'football services' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzie Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 If there was no booze ban, I'd have taken a slab of beer on Saturday and sat getting pleasantly merry, as I have many times before, but because the ban is now in place I ended up drinking a variety of things that were easier to disguise and was therefor blootered. Not at all my own fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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