Wellfan1984 Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 But what has being 6ft got to do with that? Casillas and Valdes (two of the top 5 keepers in the world) are both smaller than him (granted both are both shaker under cross balls ) but that has nothing to do with height! If height was the main factor, how do you explain Ruddy's ability to be lobbed from 18 yards out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 I dont claim to be a goalkeeping expert but if he is only 6ft and 11stone he will have a pretty tough time in the aerial battles that ensue on a weekly basis in the SPL against big daft forwards like Kyle or centre-backs like Kenneth and Dods. I dont think there is much point in discussing this anyway as Shagger Broon has virtually said that Hollis will be back-up to A.N. Other, and that Fraser is likely to be on his way out the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al B Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 But what has being 6ft got to do with that? Casillas and Valdes (two of the top 5 keepers in the world) are both smaller than him (granted both are both shaker under cross balls ) but that has nothing to do with height! Hopefully now that you see it written down, you can see how obvious the answer is and folk don't have to bother explaining it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous Wee Grafter Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 The fact that he is only 6ft and 11stone is also a bit worrying for me as well. Why? You obviously don't know him, he's a bit like Louie Spence and likes his men really big and fat. It gives him something to hold onto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils40yarder Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 You obviously don't know him, he's a bit like Louie Spence and likes his men really big and fat. It gives him something to hold onto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunnyMFC Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 John Ruddy had 1 appearance at Everton and had spent the rest of his career making 5 appearances for Walsall here, 3 appearances for Rushden & Diamonds there. Lukas Jutkiewicz had a grand total of 5 goals in 5 years as a professional and hadn't scored since 2007 when he arrived at Fir Park Tom Hateley was released by Reading without making a single appearance for the team and had 15 games in the Conference South as the sum of his career up to that point. You could have quite easily written all of these guys off on their record before they came to Fir Park but every one of them turned out to be much better than could have possibly been expected from their career stats. Give Hollis a chance before you judge him. I can see why folk are a bit nervous with the signing of Hollis with the lack of appearances over the years. But as you pointed out that we signed folk last season whos stats were not that good on paper but they became arguably our best players last season. Hopefully he gets a chance and does well for us I wish him all the best for this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Bones Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 John Ruddy had 1 appearance at Everton and had spent the rest of his career making 5 appearances for Walsall here, 3 appearances for Rushden & Diamonds there. Lukas Jutkiewicz had a grand total of 5 goals in 5 years as a professional and hadn't scored since 2007 when he arrived at Fir Park Tom Hateley was released by Reading without making a single appearance for the team and had 15 games in the Conference South as the sum of his career up to that point. You could have quite easily written all of these guys off on their record before they came to Fir Park but every one of them turned out to be much better than could have possibly been expected from their career stats. Give Hollis a chance before you judge him. John Ruddy made his debut as an 18 year-old and quickly attracted the attention of a whole host of top clubs in England. He was touted as an England 'keeper of the future and seems to have been impressive when on loan in the English lower leagues. Jutkiewicz made his debut as a 17 year old and then got a move to Everton for £1m. He was rubbish in his other loan spells. Hateley was a 20 year old stop-gap signing after being released by Reading. Better clubs than Reading and better players than Hateley have been mistakenly released. Hollis is a 24 'keeper who hasn't been able to cement a regular place in an Airdrie side who keep getting relegated. I've no idea if Stewart Kerr's a good judge of a player and haven't seen Hollis play. I'm only "judging" him based on his rubbishy career record. I'll certainly give him a chance but you can't expect people on a messageboard to be enthused by this signing. Anyway, I'd take it as read that folk should give him a chance and wait to see him play before he gets the full boo-boy treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star sail Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 The arguement that Stewart Kerr has worked with Hollis, therefore he must be good does not really work for me. The classic example is the Andy Roddie situation with McLeish. McLeish had worked with Roddie at Aberdeen and was prepared to pay a reasonable sum for him to come to Well. There was a buzz at the time when he arrived but we all know how that turned out. On the height and weight front, these two attributes are important for an SPL goalkeeper. Set pieces and cross balls have been an issue for Well for a few seasons now (largely because of Craigan and Reynolds in my opinion). Ruddy papered over these cracks because he played so well. His ability at cross balls is largely down to his presence in the box (e.g height and weight). I have not been a fan of Craigan for some time and yet we are stuck with him for yet another season (I know that is an unpopular view). The goalkeeper is going to have to be excellent to compensate. Fraser got a hard time and in some ways rightly so but the protection and assistance he was getting was non existant. (pass backs included). For me Ruddy made our season. I think we would have been losing goals as per the end of the season, all season had he not been there. We need a top notch keeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tassinari Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 The arguement that Stewart Kerr has worked with Hollis, therefore he must be good does not really work for me. The classic example is the Andy Roddie situation with McLeish. McLeish had worked with Roddie at Aberdeen and was prepared to pay a reasonable sum for him to come to Well. There was a buzz at the time when he arrived but we all know how that turned out. Were McLeish and Roddie not related via eithers marriage?? I recall hearing that Roddie was a relation of McLeish's wife. Could be one of the many Motherwell Myths right enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephmfc1993 Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 I can see why folk are a bit nervous with the signing of Hollis with the lack of appearances over the years. But as you pointed out that we signed folk last season whos stats were not that good on paper but they became arguably our best players last season. Hopefully he gets a chance and does well for us I wish him all the best for this season. i too wish him all the best i was just saying that from what i've heard he doesn't sound that good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnymfc Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 All i will say is he canny be worst than Fraser as last season he had a nightmare. Still expect Ruddy to be No1 next season as Paw Broon has asked for cash to spend to maintain top 6 and i just see the Europa League as a competetive pre-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yir Elder Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Were McLeish and Roddie not related via eithers marriage?? I recall hearing that Roddie was a relation of McLeish's wife. Could be one of the many Motherwell Myths right enough. It very much is a myth!! I spoke to Andy Roddie a few years back and put that point to him, and he found it very funny indeed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Hopefully now that you see it written down, you can see how obvious the answer is and folk don't have to bother explaining it? And if you watched either Valdes or Casillas shakeyness at crosses has nothing to do with the fact of their height. The tallest keepers in the world have problem with cross balls as well. Coming for a cross is all about placement and timing. Not the height of the keeper or attacker. The very best Scotland has to offer - Craig Gordon - 6ft 4in is probably one of the worst at coming for crosses. In fact he's that bad Bruce supposedly told him to allow his defence to deal with cross balls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEWELL Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 Im no happy with either Fraser or the Airdrie reserve keeper . Im praying we get big Ruddy again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellfan29 Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 il give the guy a chance but is it wrong to expect us to aim for higher than a 2nd choice keeper from a 2nd division team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
postiejim Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 I'm all for giving the guy a chance ,but Ive got to say that my mate who is an Airdrie fan cannot believe that we have signed Hollis . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Canny be any worse than Rob Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Canny be any worse than Rob Green Or what about the 5' 8 Mexican goalie! Imagine the message board melt down if we signed a keeper the same height as Dougie Arnott! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellarmy Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Or what about the 5' 8 Mexican goalie! Imagine the message board melt down if we signed a keeper the same height as Dougie Arnott! U talkin bout Jorge Campos? That guy was amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazamfc Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 What about Tom Heaton of Man Utd.Seems a decent goalie and must be better than Fraser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 U talkin bout Jorge Campos? That guy was amazing No, the current one. And believe me he wasn't amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Bones Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 What about Tom Heaton of Man Utd.Seems a decent goalie and must be better than Fraser What are his strengths? Or is he another Iain Turner? Good in a computer game but nobody's actually seen him play. Perhaps trafficlight knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trucks Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 What are his strengths? Or is he another Iain Turner? Good in a computer game but nobody's actually seen him play. Perhaps trafficlight knows? Doubtful. Probably would struggle to name the back-up to VDS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Rattlehead Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 Doubtful. Probably would struggle to name the back-up to VDS. Probably couldn't pick VDS out of a line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 What about Tom Heaton of Man Utd.Seems a decent goalie and must be better than Fraser What about Paul Heaton from The Beautiful South? You muppets are just throwin names about for a laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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