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They have. And all of those clubs have spent a varying number of years in lower divisions during the last 35 years, as have Hearts and Hibs, who've also won silverware. I suppose it depends how folk measure success. Out of interest, would you say there's no hope of us winning the league this season?

You’re right! Thank you for only solidifying my point that losing to them was a major boot in the stones and that they were a side we really should have been beating.

It has been yes and it has been absolutely brilliant so see. But at the same time it is tainted with that frustration that we saved our worst two performances of the season for two massive Cup ties and lost both. A scenario we have seen all too often with various Motherwell sides under various managers and with various players. Since we last lifted silverware 35 years ago this May, Dundee Utd have managed it twice…St.Mirren have managed it twice, St.Johnstone have done it three times, Kilmarnock have done it twice and even Livingston, ICT, Raith Rovers and Ross County have managed it once. That is a hard one to take.

19 behind and 31 goals worse off with game in hand.

Maybe on paper it isn’t, if you look at the difference in budgets and size of both clubs as I know is something of a favourite go-to for us and some of our fans. But that Aberdeen team really aren’t anything special. They are nine points and thirteen goals behind us in the league and we have a game in hand. We have beaten them in three out of the last four meetings before last night and they are also managerless. As for the mentality side of things. When Motherwell FC start showing that they can win big games in Cup ties (and let me be as clear as I possibly can here, I am not talking about us actually going the distance and winning the competitions, just not losing to poor sides in the early rounds four years in a row) then I might change my position on our mentality.

I hate to break it to you but getting beat, away at pittodrie is not some giant killing shock. In terms of questioning mentality, coming from.you 🤣

To be fair our mentality in the league has been s**t hot so far. We bounced back before so we all need to get right behind team and JBA for 12 massive games

With Beaton and MaClean a part of the Var team it was only going to go one way with red card. However it blows my mind that every televised game that involves a Premiership side at home in the cup has to have VAR that is a ridiculous rule it should be everyone has it or everyone doesnt.

Because I hate seeing us lose, nothing unclear about that surely? I predicted we would lose this tie, yes, because like I also said, I simply do not trust Motherwell to win any cup tie against anyone and last night was a prime example of why I don’t trust us. Even if we had won last night would anyone really have been surprised if we then fucked up against Dunfermline? We have the wrong mentality as a club when it comes to Cup ties and I don’t know how we change it.

Pretty sure old firm fans have a fair claim to say its unnaceptable they havent rolled over the top of us every game this season. Its football pal, infact its sport. You win some you lose some. The match i watched lastnight, the team defo could not have been accused of not trying. Given why you had decided the outcome weeks ago, its unclear why you are so upset about it......

Ref is Calum Scott. Nick Walsh is the VAR.

The explanation is useless bastards.

Gordon was at fault for the foul he committed because he’s shite at football, but he wasn’t at fault for VAR and Beaton being utter bastards intent on ruining football.

He couldn't have played him anywhere else he's to slow to be the WCB in that shape. If Jens stays I wouldn't expect Gordon to be at the club next season.

St Mirren will be up for this and on their patch this is going to be a difficult game. Officials will play a part, as it seems Gogic and co are allowed multiple fouls before being booked.

I mean as far as I'm concerned his giveaway caused the red and then from that he doesn't save the resulting FK (I accept there's a deflection but there was literally only 1 side of the goal for Nisbet to aim for). He was Ok after that but the damage was done. Your not going to find anyone blaming Preistman as he was trying his best to get back and slipped it's unfortunate. Gordon also killed us just that 1 happened first and made it an uphill struggle.

As ive said Gordon is more to blame than Connelly. He made a mistake on the ball that can happen, but then stupidly took out their player under the knowledge that Beaton was card happy and VAR itching to get involved. Given scottish officials decisions to make seldom goes well for players. Manager was wrong to put Gordon in the middle of the three. He is the weakest on the ball.

Laughable thing is the Aberdeen player in his own box took a tumble and knocked our player over. No foul given. VAR and officials have extremely short memories. Would be good for an explanation by those in charge to justify the non foul compared to Priestman.

Connelly didn't kill the game plan. He made a mistake that could've resulted in a goal (prior to the free kick). He didn't cause Priestman to slip and get a red card.

He slipped on the pitch alright but in doing so he carried on and fouled the attacker who was in a goalscoring position so its a red. Changing rules to suit a slip will open a can of worms. Players claiming they slipped, faking stumbles, slipping and carrying on ito the attacker deliberately etc. Professional game is full of fake,injury playacting, trying to get an advantage etc. If it was other way about we would want the opposition player sent off for stopping us scoring. Keep it simple no interpretation by ref or var what caused it a foul is a foul.

I've listened to the manager talk about load management doesn't mean I need to agree with him. Had he rotated the team on Sunday I wouldn't have been bothered in fact if you look at other posts that was what I had expected him to do. 'Questioning Connolly's involvement' obviously he quite literally had killed the game plan within a minute and a half I'm not seeing a load management argument there.

Didnt get to watch the game but seen some clips. jBA’s selection may or may not have been good enough, due to the red cards we won’t know the answer. We do know that he has been pretty much right, this season so far, in his selections. just have to deal with the defeat in whatever way you choose and then move on to next game. still 100% behind JBA and the players.

Referees are the problem, incompetent poor officials, who know they will face no sanctions irrespective of how they perform, they struggle with the normal rules of the game, so judgememt calls will be no different. Theve always been poor but VAR has made it worse its ruining football as we all saw last night, the whole set up is not fit for purpose.

Said earlier, or on another thread, he's just a Poundland Scott Brown. Charges about thinking he's double hard. Vastly overrated.

Certainly not. According to Richard Gordon he's simply committed. Aye right.