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Our CEO was talking about that a few months ago. It's crazy that there hasn't been an update to the fee structure.

I think the 2025 version of Liam Gordon is every bit as bad as kofi balmer. Balmers arguably been better in the league cup games

Again an issue that needs addressed. The Training Compensation that applies when a young player leaves his parent club (eg. Max Johnston to Graz) is based on some magic calculation linked to ages 12 to 21. A set fee per year developed. Like you I don't think that has kept pace with the market. The Solidarity Compensation which relates to moves thereafter (eg. if MJ joined Juventus tomorrow) is % based so will increase with the market. 5% of the full transfer fee is hived off and shared to those that developed a player from age 12 to 21. Pro rata. . It certainly amounts to very little if MJ moves for £3m. Perhaps £125k only. We would be due around 7 years worth of the 5%. So maybe that % needs to be upped to 10 or 20% in line with commonly agreed add ons? Seems reasonable Also the fact that both schemes apply to cross border moves only is a joke. For transfers within the same Country I think UEFA wanted to leave the local Association to deal with it. Maybe because of volumes or maybe to not stand on the home Authoritie's toes. Scotland could just adopt the same schemes if they wanted but that would require common sense. Accies felt they were shortchanged with the outcome of the Ferguson Tribunal.

Only covers.....and no bloody Muse 😄 But we will do Twist and Shout 3 times at least if we win on Saturday 😄 We play in Rothesay, not Las Vegas 😂 Muse are too new to have reached Rothesay yet !

100% spot on. The only thing is now that the governing bodies should be updating these arrangements to take account of current transfer market trends. There were no £160 MILLION transfers when these development fees were introduced. Current dev fees should reflect current transfer market fees.

I agree 100%. He looks uncomfortable playing out with too many passes playing our midfielders into trouble or being intercepted. His punts upfield have been closer to me than our strikers. He also seems to think whatever goalie we play has the ball skills of Leo Messi. He did fine for St J playing as an out and out stopper CB but that limited role does not suit our brave new world. He needs to show he can adapt or I think JBA will look elsewhere. Time is running out for him to prove himself. Saturday would be a good start.

I like Balmer as a person and always someone that has taken the club to heart. However if we can get money for him then I would definitely take it but we MUST get 2 centre halves in

First phase of last season he was doing just that, strolled thru the games. Then the SK shite ball got to him.

But do you trust him to put his foot on the ball and pass to a team mate? He's been a bit hit or miss in that department so far this season (e.g. his underhit pass that led to the pen against Hertha), but hopfeully that will improve.

Gordon is solid,he just had shite around him last year.

I'm not sure Gordon is equipped to play out from the back, but I'm OK with him if he can.

I pray this is true I do, to be fair, like Gordon as a centre half and with a decent footballer beside him, it would maje for a good partnership imo

I really hope so. We have been crying out for decent central defenders since Hartley & Aldred left us.

Can we sign these new CBS already got the dead for Saturday with our central defence

You put 2 in the fridge for an hour before the adding them to the bag just before the draw. The other balls are room temp. As others have said, however, when the draw is on the radio only, you don't need to be that clever. You just read out whatever you like.

Yes please. And it suggests JBA has replacements in mind. Quite honestly I think we don't have any central defenders ....by trade or makeshift...that merit a first team place. So I'm hoping we see more than one depart. To be replaced by at least two that are comfortable playing out as the Manager expects. Might save me a few 'moments'.

Kofi Balmer being touted about? Maybe a good move for all parties concerned?

Draws were on the wireless in them days so we would be none the wiser on what was going on

Well regardless of whether it was driven by defiance or just plain support for their club, Rangers fans did turn out in big numbers when they were in the lower leagues.

Interesting stuff...how would you heat them there balls? And would they not have cooled by time draw was made. If we can work that out, there's a book deal in this...

Just to add to the complications and confusion. It really is a minefield. Clubs who are losing a youngster (despite offering a new contract) very often do a deal with the new Club that bypasses the compensation rules that apply to cross border only movement. Like I believe we did with McKinstry to Leeds. Maybe building in a larger up front fee with a lower sell on %. Or the other way round. That may suit both Clubs depending upon their financial situation at the time. For internal transfers the compensation rules usually do not apply. Like with Hastie to Rangers. (Individual Associations can adopt the International rules if they like, but Scotland don’t). So we did a deal with Rangers rather than go to a dodgy tribunal whose decision is final and a one off payment. Sometimes with no add on %. So you can get screwed. I understand we got £350k for Hastie plus decent add on had he moved on for big money. A Tribunal might not have been so generous. We will never know. Best recent example of a tribunal outcome is Lewis Ferguson to Aberdeen. Accies got £250k and a small add on %, the level of which was not disclosed. No appeal allowed despite Accies going public that they felt hard done to. Compare that to our Hastie deal. Aberdeen certainly scored when he moved to Italy. Accies may have still been due further training compensation if Ferguson had then left Italy before a certain age….. but I’m not 100% sure on that. It is debatable and not specifically covered in the rules I read. I think Motherwell have actually done pretty well over the years, often successfully negotiating with the new Club. Bailey Rice a recent example. Certainly for youngsters not fully established in our first team. We were unable to negotiate a better deal for MJ though as Graz were happy to go with the set compensation arrangements. No discussion. The ball was in their court as Max had decided to move on. No bad feeling from me on that one as he did what he thought best for himself. And he had only joined us age 12 and appeared in under 20 games for our first team. So very different from Miller. We also lost out initially on Cadden as the US were not in the International arrangement. And when they signed up under pressure from the ruling bodies, they were regarded as a lower tier country where lower amounts were due. History wise. After the Bosman ruling that players could just leave at Contract end with no compensation due (in line with other occupations) Clubs from several countries approached UEFA and FIFA asking them to set up a scheme that rewarded Clubs for developing youngsters. Until they came up with the current scheme Clubs were due nothing. That was seen as a barrier to youth development. So why bother developing kids? The present arrangement is something that helps. Covers cross border only though which is a flaw in the system imo. Like many countries, Scotland opted to go to a tribunal for internal transfers if Clubs do not agree a deal. At least that recognises the need for some reward for youth development I guess. But it is not perfect. That’s my take on things anyway. Others may know differently. Told you it was a nightmare.😀

Thanks for the clarification.

Dennyc is correct

You may be right so I absolutely will look at that - but that isn't what comes up when you do a search online.- it just says we were due the money because he came through the ranks at Motherwell and was under 23 I'll have a look tomorrow - thanks for that info. Appreciated

There is. But they have made the disparity between the haves and have-nots so great in other ways, they don't need to worry about cup draws.