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An expression of religious and civil liberty? I, as many, will have seen orange parades taking place in Motherwell. The dregs of society following the March, never cease to amaze, its like the night of the living dead. This element of Scottish society is the last bastion of the “Rule Britannia” brigade. It has in contemporary culture, as is well researched and documented, little to do with religion, than it does with a demographic graphic so disengaged and disenfranchised through direct and indirect action, that it clings for the safety of a group whereby they are no longer the marginalized but rather have the ability, for a short time, to marginalize others. So, yes I stand by my point that anyone prepared to celebrate Irish religious wars and killings (on either side of this divide) for the purpose of momentary groupthink, should be flushed out - there should be no place for this in modern civil society, in 2018, Scotland. But hey ho, my and my ignorance eh?

Indeed let's move on. Suggest, politely, onthefringes and Kmac take their debate (relevant or not) to messaging and off the public forum. I've watched a couple of the Rangers euro games and my mate at work goes to the games at Ibrox. From what I've seen and what he's said we can get something from the game for sure. Rangers are most definitely better defensively than last year but they are by no means great. High tempo, close them down, keep it simple defensively, watch the wings, dont always pump it long (sometimes it will have its place) and we will get chances. Take them and we can do this. I would love it. For me: Carson Alfred McHugh Hartley Cadden Bigi Campbell Rose Tait Main Johnson

Panic over, 'Flow confirmed on Twitter last night that the free Mixlr comms would still be available. Just looked to me like they wouldn't because the UK TV packages say they include live audio commentary too -- appears that's just boilerplate text for all the clubs using the same service.

"Orange Walks are just about being pro-Protestant." "IRA songs are just about being pro Irish." "UKIP is just about being pro UK." "Confederate flag is just about celebrating our southern history" "KKK is just about being pro-white." Same old language. Same old bigotry. Welcome to the 21st century.

Yeah, ignorance. Not every parade in Motherwell is an orange parade... Poor analogy of marginalisation in your scramble for relevance. Suspect one is tapping into a subject they know little about - no mention of the teachings, scripture and promotion of true Christian reverence, but, a focus on being disenfranchised? One country, many cultures? Not here at any rate. My point was in reply to how you see fellow supporters (there are many) and some employed by the club whose leanings differ to that of a bastion like yourself. I’m not a member of any of the loyal orders, I certainly don’t require to wear a collarette to let others know what I am.

How so? Suspect an ignorance that knows no bounds... plenty of our support follow a similar path with plenty others readily celebrating the expression of civil and religious liberty. That goes for some inside the club also Staunch.

Thats nothing, Iv been looking on here for the past few years and guess what.... Some of the things they say about our club is way over the top , and thats from our own support.

I know his brother and remember once telling him while we were struggling that if he helped us beat Partick I'd buy all his drinks on a forthcoming Scotland trip. 9 or so minutes in and we get a penalty

its not about keeping journalists happy. I just don't like the way we are portraying ourselves at times. Maybe I am just too nice a guy (with honking jokes) but I would rather we are seen as a good footballing and family club

As a few have pointed out, Hartley laughing at Cardoso with blood pishing out his face is very different from laughing at the fortnight of shite after it. Looking at it now, I think he was talking about the latter and should have cleared things up in a statement rather than apologise. Anyway, fuck it - adds a wee bit more edge to Sunday and I think Hartley will revel in being the pantomime villain for 90 minutes.

It was a stupid thing to say, other than that people can make of it what they wish. If we get beat on Sunday it won’t have anything to do with what Hartley said though. People still make too much of other factors when it’s 95% down to the quality of a team. Rangers will have a better season because they are now actually a better team than the one we faced at Hampden and that alone makes the challenge for clubs like ours tougher.

The snowflakes are alive and well within the Motherwell support I see... ...if this was any other team (bar Celtic), we wouldn't be having this bullshit, from an off-the-cuff quip. Rangers have turned into a Club who love to be offended, they love to be the victim, they love to have a reason to say 'see, everybody hates us'...fuck them. The media latch onto this, and before we know it we're putting out grovelling apologies to a Club whose fans have got themselves into bother umpteen times already this season, fighting and coming off second best at home and abroad...this is a Club that condones, by continually turning a blind eye to the 'special atmosphere' created home and away, glorifying in the death and destruction of all things Catholicism. This is a Club, that along with the other cunts from the East End, have consistently bled the Scottish Leagues dry, and we're apologising to them because our captain said that he laughed at the way Cardoso moaned about a broken nose? A broken fucking nose, not a life-threatening injury, not a leg-break or a decapitation...a broken nose, and while the way he put it across was clumsy, its been blown out of all proportion by the victims from Ibrox and their self-serving pals in the media, meanwhile we've got Motherwell fans wringing their hands and worrying about, what the rest of Scottish fitba' thinks of us...I've got news for you, they think we are a team of cloggers and thats down to our style of play and whether Hartley said that or not, they would still think that this morning...our fans are worrying about Steven Gerrards team talk, c'mon tae fuck really? If he needs Peter Hartley to get his team wound up and up for it, then hes in a bit of bother...our fans are worrying about the referees take on it, but its Craig Thompson and he'll fuck us over whatever the fuck we say or do, we could send the physio in to give him a massage with a happy ending before the match and he'll still give these cunts everything on Sunday. I've heard others ask, 'but what if the roles were reversed and it was a Rangers player laughing at our player for being a big fucking lassie'...my answer to that, 'the compliance officer would be giving not one single fuck'.