Guest Posted October 7, 2010 Report Share Posted October 7, 2010 That STREET more like. Always seemed bonkers to me having two football clubs/stadiums right next to each other like that. Grates on me a wee bit this. Why should they merge? Dundee have some financial problems just now but they pale in insignificance to the problems they had last time, they'll survive and will reach the SPL again. Its the same argument that Motherwell and Accies should merge, they're close, they're both relatively small clubs. If they've survived this long as two separate teams, why should they merge now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcalf Posted October 7, 2010 Report Share Posted October 7, 2010 18 teams, play each other twice, once home, once away. Two up, two down. Simples, the way a league is supposed to be. OH and share the gate money, it takes 2 teams to play a game so why should only one club be paid for taking part whilst the other has wages to pay and travel costs to meet and no compensation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yabba's Turd Posted October 7, 2010 Report Share Posted October 7, 2010 Never mind the gate money, split the weekend's takings/TV money evenly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 Never mind the gate money, split the weekend's takings/TV money evenly for get the gate money (unless you want to start including pie money too) an even split of the TV money would be a great start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 By doing this we need to open up the leagues below by bringing in a pyramid system to allow the top Ayrshire, Highland and other junior sides the chance to progress. Sad fact is Junior Football teams would vote against it. They are happy the SFA (wrongly) backed down and allowed them three cup places as it is. No way will they allow themselves to be dragged into the Football League. They'd lose too much money - no longer would they be able to play Division 1/2 wages if they're playing in the 4th teir of Scottish Football - as the taxman would keep a nice little eye on them amongst other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlukemurray Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 Grates on me a wee bit this. Why should they merge? Dundee have some financial problems just now but they pale in insignificance to the problems they had last time, they'll survive and will reach the SPL again. Its the same argument that Motherwell and Accies should merge, they're close, they're both relatively small clubs. If they've survived this long as two separate teams, why should they merge now? because times have changed - short and simple answer if we want to improve scottish football and increase competitiveness then we need stronger clubs and the clear fact is that there are far too many weak clubs, struggling from month to month and season to season with no real future or ambition. scotland has a population of 6 million people, geographically spread out other than the central belt, not enough to support the number of so called professional clubs that we currently have. there should be 3 divisions in scotland, possibly even just two. mergers are the way forward, if they don't happen clubs will just go to the wall anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niall Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 league cup sections are the daftest idea of all. the crowds in the cis are diabolical right now for straight knockout games and would be lower for group games and non existent for dead rubbers. also the fact that the gates are split means an even worse return. but if its a 30 game league season that opens up some free saturdays for these games to be played (or at least some of them) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelboy Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 i don't understand why the wee clubs always get the blame. the likes of east stirling and albion rovers aren't hurting anyone and the people involved obviously get some pleasure out it, if those clubs were scrapped their officials and fans would likely just restart somewhere else or wrap it. can someone explain to me how getting rid of some part time teams would improve the spl? the only thing that will improve scottish football is more money for facilities and qualified coaches. iceland seem to have a cracking u21 team just now and after seeing the facilities in and around reyjavik i'm not suprised. obviously that was all paid for by their dodgy banking practices but it shows what investment can achieve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superwell87 Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 18 teams, play each other twice, once home, once away. Two up, two down. Simples, the way a league is supposed to be. OH and share the gate money, it takes 2 teams to play a game so why should only one club be paid for taking part whilst the other has wages to pay and travel costs to meet and no compensation?This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 The only way we'll get an 18 team league is if there is an 18 team league with no auto relegation or promotion. Hell there is only 20 or so Full Time clubs in Scotland as it is. It is unlikely that the league would change year in year out. Also, not sure why the Motherwell should benefit from the Old Firm getting 50,000 fans each through the door! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malky79 Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 because times have changed - short and simple answer if we want to improve scottish football and increase competitiveness then we need stronger clubs and the clear fact is that there are far too many weak clubs, struggling from month to month and season to season with no real future or ambition. scotland has a population of 6 million people, geographically spread out other than the central belt, not enough to support the number of so called professional clubs that we currently have. there should be 3 divisions in scotland, possibly even just two. mergers are the way forward, if they don't happen clubs will just go to the wall anyway. With that attitude we may as all pack up and just leave rangers and Celtic to sod off to England or some euro league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeyin Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 Also, not sure why the Motherwell should benefit from the Old Firm getting 50,000 fans each through the door!It's redistribution of income to benefit the league overall. Even the capitalists in the NFL are happy to give equal distribution of revenues to the participating teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcalf Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 mergers are the way forward, if they don't happen clubs will just go to the wall anyway. If Motherwell were to merge they'd be dead to me anyway so makes no difference. Also, not sure why the Motherwell should benefit from the Old Firm getting 50,000 fans each through the door! Well just let them play each other all the time. If they want meaningful competition on the park they need to share the cash about. We'll give them half of our gate money for coming through to play us 'Up By' in return. Only fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 The only way we'll get an 18 team league is if there is an 18 team league with no auto relegation or promotion. Hell there is only 20 or so Full Time clubs in Scotland as it is. It is unlikely that the league would change year in year out. Also, not sure why the Motherwell should benefit from the Old Firm getting 50,000 fans each through the door! You're right we shouldn't they deserve every penny - it's just a bitch there isn't another major religion to grasp onto - we're just bitter old bottom feeders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellfan1984 Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 If Motherwell were to merge they'd be dead to me anyway so makes no difference. Well just let them play each other all the time. If they want meaningful competition on the park they need to share the cash about. We'll give them half of our gate money for coming through to play us 'Up By' in return. Only fair The only way it will work is if the teams agree to give each other the money from away sales. So all ticket, programs, food & drink bought by the away fans is given to the away team (after the expense for stewards, kiosk/turnsyle staff taken off). This would of course mean, all games are All Ticket and an agreed % through-out the league must be agreed regarding minimum ticket allocation. Celtic and Rangers, probably even Hearts, Hibs and Aberdeen are not going to like sharing their income with teams like Motherwell, Hamilton, St Mirren, ICT and whoever else we bring up to make 18 team league. It has no benefit to them - which lets be honest is all they care about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkySuperSub Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 You're right we shouldn't they deserve every penny - it's just a bitch there isn't another major religion to grasp onto - we're just bitter old bottom feeders Islam must be up for grabs, why don't we push for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcalf Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 Of course they won't like sharing it out, that's why the ludicrous decision was taken to keep all home gates in the first place not so many years ago. But share it out they should otherwise why should we play them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Diggle Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 Islam must be up for grabs, why don't we push for that? Watch what yer saying wee prez ahmandinejad reads the boards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkySuperSub Posted October 8, 2010 Report Share Posted October 8, 2010 Watch what yer saying wee prez ahmandinejad reads the boards Hahahahaha... That photo MUST be doctored... There's no' fucking way that's his real eyes......... Seriously?!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Kerse Posted October 9, 2010 Report Share Posted October 9, 2010 I still hate the idea of a split. Much rather go for 16, play each other twice, have a few weeks break in the winter and keep players fresher. I know this won't fly right now, as there would be financial implications, but I think that would be partly addressed with an increase in average attendances. I'd also scrap the minimum stadium requirements. That has taken a lot of money out of the game with little benefit. However, I can't see it being voted through. Although even managers like Wattie agree it may be a positive thing from a footballing perspective, the money men don't care about anything but the bottom line. And they are the ones who will ultimately decide. Unfortunatley a split is the only way to give the Old Firm 4 games against each other and clubs a chance to play them both twice at home. For that reason it is a no brainer on the parts of the SPLs moneymen. What they fail to realise (or at least entertain) however that there is fuck all chance of the ridiculous gap between the Old Firm and the rest closing as any challenger has to play the giants 8 times and practically forfeit 12 points in Glasgow over a league season. There is no doubt the gap would close if a good Hibs or Hearts side or ourselves even got to play sides like Dunfermline, Rath Rovers, Dundee etc.. rather than extra games against top six sides. Not to mention how exciting the one visit of say Hearts, Hibs or Rangers would be if there are only a few points seperating the top 5. Then again, when was Scottish Football about excitement and teams trying to win stuff... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLip69 Posted October 10, 2010 Report Share Posted October 10, 2010 Then again, when was Scottish Football about excitement and teams trying to win stuff... 1890 to 1975 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilian Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 Meeting today to discuss the future of the SPL Neil Doncaster to put proposals to the clubs unlikely to vote on it today, but the wheels on the bus are turning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 unlikely to vote on it today, but the wheels on the bus are turning The problem with buses is that they always end up back where they started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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steelboy Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 if we vote for this we're off our heads. ending up 7th by a point or two after 26 games would be a hammerblow to the club. hopefully the well show a bit of savvy vote against this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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