Goggles & Flippers

Didnt the last one in 2011 cost £1,200 Dee? The starting point is now £4.5

Tom English is a bell end, looking at the result rather than the background. Riling up the BBC panel too.

3:30 onwards, what a clever response and the mock look of surprise. I'm thinking I may alternate between him and Louis for bedtimes cuddles from now on. #manlove

Didn't know that about Bowman, maybe opt for a 4-4-2 as they will be expecting a 3-5-2. Tanner, Frear and Rose could all be interchanged. Big decision to rest McHugh as club captain but I put him in retrospectively as Campbell got hooked with an bump on Sunday to protect him. If Hammell or Tait bomb forward McHugh drops back to give defensive cover in makeshift back three. Lets not overlook Grimshaw too. --------------- Carson ---------------- - Tait - Kipre - Hartley - Hammell - - Cadden - Bigi - McHugh - Rose - ---------- Moult ---- Frear ----------

Press Conference this morning ..... "Pedro doesn't need to concern himself with the final" ..... Yasssss Next showed how well briefed he was and shows how the media team and Flow anticipated the type of questioning especially from that STV hack in particular. "Ryan Bowman has played 45 games in Scotland and been booked 3 times, is that a dirty player?" "In 5 years he's been booked 9 times" "Rangers have committed 115 fouls so far, we have made 106" It's all about context, hit them with facts and their agenda is quashed. Finally he said something pertinent "I think a number of people didn't want us there" Fantastic

I think he'll go with Carson Kipre Hartley Hammell Cadden Bigi Campbell Rose Tanner Bowman Frear

we're 5 points behind them and Aberdeen, and Scottish Cup hasn't started and we're on the up. Nothing to stop us doing a Leicester and doing a domestic treble .........

Another appeal for anyone who is technically minded and has the BT coverage saved, please upload the post match stuff. It is delightful to watch.

The Cry was Nose Surrender

If any of you get the chance to watch the post match chat on BT sport there is no other word for it other than "delicious". Let me set the scene, Fat Sally and McCall looking like Chris Sutton has just had a go on their respective Mrs' then Sutton decides to goad them (albeit with valid questions) but its the manner in which he does it. I've never seen McCoist look like he was going to lamp anyone since he had his little spat with Lennon at Parkhead. It was a thing of wonder and I will cherish the memory of this interview as much as Louis' second dipping under the bar and that extra second it took to resonate among us all it was in. The defining moment was Sutton uttering .... "They won't be singing Tina Turner on the coach home!" ... cue me bringing my thumb, index finger and 2nd finger together and kissing them Italian style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bilLyLdz8lg Sheer joy. If anyone can put up the full post match, I will be forever indebted.

Great result ..... however one of our worst performances of the season, second to every ball until midway through the second half. Moult was excellent after his head knock and the difference, it seemed to focus and drive him. Exact opposite of Aberdeen in last round. If we play like that against Celtic, we'll be 3-0 down by halftime. If we are going to take the silverwear home then we need to have everyone on song and playing to their full ability. Harry the unwashed as soon as they get it, get the ball to feet and play football opposed to head tennis and get crosses beating the first man and we have a chance. Plus the planets aligning and Celtic exhaustion from PSG hopefully. Encouraged by the heart and drive of our team. Really hope the SFA don't impose any retrospective shit. Bowman was clearly watching the ball and Moult did kinda lash out after he was kicked.

Anyone know if its possible to still get a seat on a fischal bus?

You're a clever cookie, what do you think it means and I'll tell you if you've won a cuddly toy

Still a startling number of keyboard warriors from the past few years who have the balls to put their hands up. Just goes to show, for every good guy in C&A, theres two dicks. Still a better ratio than any other team in the league.

half a million down, you can understand that

Happy Days .... is this where he turns shite?

Maybe Les cause a few more problems than anyone wants to admit. But he did play a part in the evolution to where we are now.

2017 .... its a cynical place we now live in #newnormal

I'll put a caveat at the start that I know him personally and I have defended him on here in the past when I felt too many were unfoundedly sharpening their knives or stepping over a line in the sand. However I have also been critical where it was merited but when I have done so I've tried to offer an viable alternative. I think it would only be the most downhearted Well fan who would not be pretty happy and optimistic of where we are at present and the potential of where we can go. Yes under his tenure he's made a few mistakes, however none in the media as he's very adept at that and crucially gets on with most of the press corps. Maybe he should have stood up to McGhee a bit more or advised Les to wind in the spending but when you are new in post, people citing your age as a hinderance and ultimately dealing with very strong and opinionated people I can understand why he may have been steamrollered. In the same, for all we know he may have stood up to people putting his job on a shaky peg. We have a manager who sees a happy dressing room as key. We're seeing it pay dividends as players like Bowman have been a revelation and 3/4? others have penned extended deals. News today of Campbell is what prompted this thread, a 4 year deal in this age is astute and a nod directed to both player and management for reciprocating faith in each other. Our U20's are performing really well under Craggs, Las seems to be fitting together with Robinson like a glove and we have a first team where we've still really to see 3 players involved that on paper could turn games. A good summer with 80%ish (for now) success rate on signings. Financially we're healthy (ish?), 4 guaranteed OF games, Hibs back in the top flight, Cup Semi with the TV and ticket kickback, Marvin's money and Henegen's improved season ticket sales and more astute commercial department that for me has injected a degree of professionalism into what was a bit haphazard. A pitch that winds awards and a new roof on the Hunter for free. Scottish Cup still to come in January. Be aware most of the appointments now in place were made with Flow at the helm, under his stewardship and his influence. Maybe some of the naysayers would like to comment why they still hold a negative opinion or perhaps offer an apology ...... Credit where credit's due. But the PA system is shite and the scoreboard doesn't work, so P45 in the morning Burrows you wage thief.

That was fifth round ...... Dundee in the fourth Stranraer in the fifth next was Dundee Utd in the QF that went to replay then St Johnstone at Hampden then ..... well ..... you know the rest.

Roof done for free as mItch pointed out

Yeah but their contracts go on well past the summer.

My perception was all fur coat and nae knickers. If the accomplishments are binning the two bears and writing a surveymonkey questionnaire then I can understand why Flow may have parted company. Of course he could have walked. Fan Engagement was always a funny term, if it was Fan Growth that is something better defining what maybe the club were looking for and measurable in terms of success. I didn't see what he accomplished because I don't work in the Chapman Mon-Fri 9/5. In the same way I don't see players in training but often question why they are benched at the expense of someone else. I suppose if the role is re-advertised then we have our answer.

A lot to cover, so lets get to it .... As Superward pointed out, the club wanted to reach a threshold of 300k from memory for JB to release his initial stake. The reasoning was to make sure the fans via the WS were serious and had credibility. It was suggested at the time a SPFL club needed a backup fund of around 500k to cover most eventualities including relegation. This would allow us to hopefully only spend one season in the league below before bouncing back without losing any personnel or infrastructure. There was a transfer of funds during that time back and forth plus a shareholding was secured for a sum of money (the amount escapes me). With the transfer to Les and then his plan (which turned out to be curtailed) the goalposts did change. Like ropy I bought into one plan, it then changed to another without a vote. That was quite a dramatic change in direction and one certainly worthy of full membership debate than an executive implementation. Personally I don't have an issue with that WS money being used to go directly to Les. One owner (Les) wants a certain amount of cash to transfer his ownership to a buyer (the WS). A collection of 2,000 committed fans should not be seen in terms of the purchase as any different to a single lottery winner or a successful business person. I think the repayment via the club model was proposed because it was seen that would be the quickest way by Les to recover his outlay. Relying on 300 quid here and there or a drip feed of DD's as illustrated by Jay brings in a 6 figure sum starting with a 1. It looks like Marvin's sale will bring in the best part of 500k, cup semi 250k, etc. It would take the WS 7ish years to accumulate that. As a board member you appear to suggest that all revenues (minus running costs) collected over the course of a year go directly to the club to finance player salaries. I suppose Big Roy does that at Ross County but he is his own boss and unanswerable to anyone. Personally I am in fundamental disagreement with this as how the WS now functions. If it's a convoluted way of accounting that the club pays Les £150k then the WS put £150k into the club, then I get that some elements of our support may be more content as they feel their cash is being used on talent rather than paying off the previous owner (which we actually do have an obligation to do). I'd be much happier if the WS (as owner) said to the club, "If the 6 figure sum we contributed is the gap between skirting with relegation and higher ambitions, then to ensure continued sustainability (that being defined as SPFL status), when that sum equates to 300 adult season tickets or a specific commercial deal(s), then please go out and secure this as a matter of priority" This for me makes things sink home. While I love the club and will and have given it a lot of my time and effort beyond merely watching I also recognise it sells a 1.5 hr entertainment experience for £19. If I spend a further £2, I can get a pie and no longer hungry. If I'm inclined to go to the shop I buy a replica top and I'm a further £45 down but I have an item of clothing. If I want a better seat then I pay £4 more. Other than attaining a lapel pin or the knowledge you are contributing what exactly do we get for regularly contributing to the WS? A £10 DD per month results in a £5 per game hike. To those who say a better product on the park, well what we witnessed over the past seasons was as much down to poor scouting and acquisitions as much as the money in the pot to secure them. This year we appear to have something good building but all it takes are a few lemons or a couple of long term injuries. Money doesn't insure anything Leicester City success over the bottomless pockets of Man City and Chelsea and at the other end of the spectrum Hibs up here a few years back prove that. I accept that a bigger player budget mitigates the chances but is by no means a guarantee. I agree if you continually set up to exist with such a fine margin then it wouldn't take much to dip below that target of 10th and above. I also get that success often breeds success (and extra revenues) plus speculating to accumulate. Personally I don't have an issue with that WS money being used to go directly to Les. One owner (Les) wants a certain amount of cash to transfer his ownership to a buyer (the WS). A collection of 2,000 committed fans should not be seen in terms of the purchase as any different to a single lottery winner or a successful business person. I think the repayment via the club model was proposed because it was seen that would be the quickest way by Les to recover his outlay. Relying on 300 quid here and there or a drip feed of DD's as illustrated by Jay brings in a 6 figure sum starting with a 1. It looks like Marvin's sale will bring in the best part of 500k, cup semi 250k, etc. It would take the WS 7ish years to accumulate that. I suppose I want to see the WS use its revenues and influence to lead the way in Scotland and deliver initiatives centred round the support. I want to see it influence the club to significantly increase attendances and make attending easier on the pocket and supporter-centric. We have a product staged 18/19 times a year and 8,000 spare seats on average. It costs us the same amount to put on the show regardless, so every extra backside on a seat has to be considered a bonus.

Who has been our highest ever paid player? John Spencer during the crazy days?