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As I’ve said many times on here in defence of my argument for having ambition and in response to those of cry wolf about what has happened to Dundee United, Gretna, etc., it doesn't have to be a famine-to-feast scenario for us.
There's fiscal prudence and there's throwing millions, but there's also an in-between, and it’s that middle ground I would like to see implemented once the Club and Society have sorted out the governance and financial side of things.
It's tiresome reading responses from folks who consistently shout ‘But look at club x, y, z’ when someone dares to suggest the Club has a little ambition.
I'm accused of being negative about Kettlewell, which is fine, but the negativity towards those who suggest seeking to achieve something better is equally loud. Have some ambition!
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3 minutes ago, StAndrew7 said:
Just because it's always been a feature doesn't mean it should be accepted or not challenged when there is evidence to the contrary.
My point wasn't that it shouldn't be challenged; it should be. My point was that it'll be everpresent, regardless.
In this context, it's also fair to note that it's reasonable for fans to display mistrust for what the club/society chooses to tell them when there are significant things that both have chosen/forgot to communicate to us recently.
Furthermore, much like it's accepted that perceived fallacies should be challenged, it's also acceptable to question the narrative the club/society presents to us. There's maybe a more nuanced way to go about the latter, however.
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26 minutes ago, StAndrew7 said:
My point is, and will continue to be, that there are what I believe to be fallacies (I concede that lying might have been the wrong word to use in my post) being posted on here without any evidence, when, in this instance, we have evidence of (decent, not brilliant) communication to the contrary directly from both the Club and Society.
Introducing fallacies will always be a feature of fan forums, whether deliberate or otherwise, particularly in the face of poor comms.
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36 minutes ago, StAndrew7 said:
So you're saying that both the Club and Well Society boards are lying to the fans about it, then? Evidence, please.
I'm not sure any deliberate lying is happening or is being suggested to have happened. However, given the recent mistakes made and embarrassing failures in basic communications on big issues, you can see why fans will and do speculate on what the hell is and has been going on.
Clear and consistent communication is required to build trust between a football club and its supporters, which generally prevents speculation and accusation. I think we could all agree that both the club and society (the latter to a lesser degree now that it has new board members) have been crap at comms for a while now.
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42 minutes ago, wellgirl said:
The club may budget for tenth but I'm not sure that's what they aim for. We had top six and European football two years ago and we were 7th last season and 5th the season before.
We need investment, as everyone knows.
Of course, we aim higher, but the budget tends to dictate the final result, barring the exceptions of the past you mentioned.
And yes, we do need investment so that our aims can become a consistent reality instead of an occasional exception.
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50 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:
The basic principle of speculation is that you need cash in the 1st place to speculate with, which we don't have so hence the need to live with our means.
So unless a billionaire oil sheik or a group of investors give the club shed loads of cash to spend as we want, with no guarantee of a return it won't happen, the odd bucket collection before a game won't cut it.
So living within our means in the "shit market " as you put it is where we are, and we've done OK over the last 38 seasons.
You outline why we require investment, hence my comment regarding speculation.
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33 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:
Realistically then where do you see the clubs ambition to be at each season, league champions, win a cup, top 4 finish, European football every year, given the budget under which we operate?
I've written about this elsewhere. I don't expect much but I expect better than we’ve had recently. At least one cup run every season, plus top 6 and European football maybe twice a decade or so.
35 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:As for the rookies / journeymen you mention whether that be players or managers, the harsh reality is that's the market we are in, people need to realise that the money we offer for salaries, player budgets, transfer fees etc etc is never going to attract any big name managers or players.
The market we operate in is shit because we keep aiming low with a shit budget that will never increase unless we speculate and aim to achieve some of the basic targets I mentioned above, which do bring financial reward.
I worry that budgeting and aiming for 10th at best every season will only see us go in one direction in the longer term. That's called a managed decline.
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9 hours ago, David said:
Is it really "promoting from within" when the guy had been at the club for four months? Would you have felt better about the appointment of Kettlewell had he been appointed as manager but hadn't taken the lead development coach position a few months earlier?
Also, is it really the cheap option? I don't see how that would be the case.
He was promoted from within as he currently held a lesser post at the club.
I still wouldn't have been pleased with his appointment if hadn't held the lead development coach position, as his managerial record at Ross County wasn't great.
Maybe he wasn't the cheap option, and maybe he was, but he was likely the easy option given he was deemed a promotable current employee. It's generally cheaper/easier to recruit from within than undertake an external recruitment exercise.
A club generally has to speculate to accumulate, yet it appears to me that the club is scrimping and expecting to accumulate. The scrimping approach may come good next season, but I just don't see anything other than more of the same for as long as we maintain the current regime.
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9 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said:
You are of course entitled to criticise SK and have done extensively.
And of course you dont have to identify who you thing would do a better job than him.
But by not doing so you leave a void and the credible argument presented previously, which is, there may not be anyone better on the money we are willing or able to pay.
The list of candidates on the last 2 occasions was less than inspiring which is why Hammell and then Kettlewell got the job.
Lets face it, with the budget we are running, its just not attractive to anyone with any pedigree.
Which is why we get rookies & journeymen.......
Then we’ll continue to get rookies and journeymen and suffer the mediocrity/failure that brings unless we show some ambition as I suggested above. However, if the club is content to scrape 10th place most seasons, fail to go on domestic cup runs, and tolerate shocking runs of form with the odd random victory, then the conveyor belt of rookies and journeymen is there for them to continually pick from. That's probably not going to keep the masses on side for long though.
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2 hours ago, dennyc said:
So not any suggestion then that folk could debate? Very easy to pick holes in the Club's choice but unwilling to risk your own credibility by coming up with an alternative. Fair enough.
It has nothing to do with risking my credibility; I just can't be arsed playing chess with a pigeon on this point. People can and should present their views on a current manager without having to have an alternative suggestion immediately lined up purely to satisfy an inevitable continuing line of questioning. That type of questioning is not debating; it's a deliberately quarrelsome approach to try to disparage the views of others. It suggests that someone's view on a topic is invalid because they don't present the solution alongside their critique.
Anyway, I've already contributed to this debate by offering my view that he was the wrong man at the wrong time and for the reasons outlined. However, if others want to suggest potential candidates, thus giving you what you require or else you suggest their views are untrustworthy, they can crack on and present their shortlists.
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2 hours ago, dennyc said:
You have plenty of views on a range of things so why not who we might have appointed instead of Kettlewell.
Cop out?! Come on. My view is that we should've learned the lesson during the Hammell debacle that promoting from within may be the cheap option in the short term but is likely to be more costly in the long term in terms of poor performances and the lost revenue that can lead to, and the potential gardening leave when it goes wrong.
I can hold that view without having to name an alternative manager. My alternative was to not promote from within, again, as that was a gamble that had already backfired, and now we have a manager who appears tactically naive and limited in his decision-making.
And yes, a known quantity of a manager may also backfire, but they may have also taken us on some cup runs, or into the top six already, or taken us on a run of form opposite to the one we witnessed earlier this season.
Some ambition would be good. That's an alternative.
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1 minute ago, bobbybingo said:
As you say, according to the current laws of the game, there was absolutely nothing wrong with that goal, so how can at least two paid, trained officials with the benefit of endless replays make such a pig's ear of it?
Because they're incompetent and unaccountable fucking morons, protected by higher-paid incompetent and unaccountable fucking morons. The SFA is a self-serving, backslapping lads club, closed to all scrutiny and transparency.
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1 hour ago, Toxteth O'Grady said:
Interesting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68597180Crawford Allan: Scottish FA head of referees to leave post in summer amid VAR review
Last updated on1 minute ago1 minute ago.From the sectionScottish
Crawford Allan has overseen the introduction of VAR during his four years in charge
Scotland's head of referees, Crawford Allan, is to leave his post at the end of the season as the Scottish FA conducts a review of the role in light of ongoing VAR controversies.
The governing body says Allan, who has been in post for four years, is leaving "to pursue new opportunities".
SFA chief executive Ian Maxwell admits that "VAR processes need to improve".
But he urged all to "work together to alleviate the unsustainable pressure on match officials and VAR operators".
Maxwell wants "to remove the convenient blame culture attached to subjective or unpopular decisions and to ensure more focus is placed on the entertainers rather than the on-field facilitators".
He told the SFA website: "This includes all key external stakeholders having a better understanding of the laws of the game, the lines of intervention for VAR and the adopted guidance within Scottish football, especially in subjective areas such as the handball law."
The SFA it has started its search to "ensure an experienced replacement will be in place for the new season".
"This will coincide with a planned review of the operational priorities of the department based on the insights to date from VAR implementation, as well as feedback from category one match officials and VAR operators, the Scottish FA's professional game board, the SPFL's competitions working group and the independent review panel," Maxwell said.
The chief executive thanked Allan for "his efforts in implementing VAR within Scottish football and guiding refereeing through the Covid-19 pandemic", describing the introduction of video assistant referee system as "a thankless task".
Allan considers it "an honour" to have been in charge "during such an historic period of change" following his 30 years as a match official, including 15 years in the top-flight.
"While there are refinements and improvements to be made to VAR, as there are in leagues across the world, it has taken a monumental effort from my team at the Scottish FA and the match officials to have it embedded in the Premiership and cup matches at Hampden Park," he said.
"VAR is only one aspect of the role, albeit one that can overshadow the positive strides we have taken forward."
What a pile of shite. Completely riddled with the blaming of others and zero accountability from them.
If they want to fix the issues, the SFA needs to be honest about the inconsistent application of VAR. They should start holding their referees to account publicly through better comms, explaining decisions and/or owning up to mistakes, but they won't as this article suggests.
We all know that they need to look at those operating the technology and those making the on-field decisions, not the technology, but that's like asking someone to mark their own homework, and therein lies the problem.
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5 hours ago, texanwellfan said:
Not so sure they’ve tightened up at the back, we scorned a decent number of chances.
It seems fair to suggest that Aberdeen and Motherwell are probably on par with each other this season in terms of where we'll both finish, although, given their budget, they should be performing better and be higher up the league. Both teams have similar W/D/L stats, so I expect both will finish no higher than 7/8th at best.
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16 hours ago, Spiderpig said:
We know you dont like / rate him but you mention SK as "the budget option" implying we could have afforded better, who did you have in mind ?
It's not difficult to imagine that Kettlewell (and Hammell) was a budget option as he was promoted from within. It's also not my job to scout potential managers or forecast staffing budgets; that's the job of a CEO. Oh, wait...
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Whilst recognising the apparent positive attributes noted in the comments above, we’ve gone for the budget option in Kettlewell so we need to accept having a poor tactician and decision-maker at the helm for now. Will he learn and improve? I don't know.
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Yesterday was a reminder that we're still generally crap, and any fantasies that I had of getting top six have evaporated.
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VAR is a complete fucking nonsense. Fans are going to quit going to games.
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Normal service resumed. At least the fight for 7th will be fun.
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They're there to be beaten by 3 goals, but we’re also there to immediately capitulate and concede 3 again. However, given they're in dire straits and we’re doing better, we should be looking to batter them at Fir Park this weekend.
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7 hours ago, Chanzeypopz said:
Wonder if Burrows will jump ship again sometime soon 🤭
He's more likely to be publicly sacked by Cormack during a halftime incident.
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County equalising against Hibs in the last minute is helpful, although a win for County would've been preferable.
Aberdeen losing to Dundee isn't helpful, as a draw would've been preferable, but it's still funny to laugh at Aberdeen.
Top 6 is still on.
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4 hours ago, numpty said:
They’d be quite entitled to say the same about many players.
As I said, it works both ways.
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It works both ways. If refs want to be treated with more respect, they should stop being fucking useless at their jobs.
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He would’ve been a nailed-on starter for me against Aberdeen, but for some reason he wasn't picked. I think he was either carrying a knock and being rested for international duty, or it was another tactical masterclass from the manager.