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58 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:
Arguably, the most interesting aspect of tonight's bounce game, apart from the new players, are the starting and finishing line ups. They should give us an insight into our new manager's thinking and the health of our squad.
Agreed.
Result not that important tonight.
Performance related to availability and fitness of players will be far more illuminating.
Hopefully we dont get a doing and some of the new signings are available to bolster what might be a threabare squad.
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Its hard not to think that there is more at play here when the punishments applied are clearly excessive.
Neither the club nor Elliot Watt have questioned the integrity of the match officials, well maybe the club inferred it with the photo of Beaton & McGregor, but its not the most blatant example Ive seen/heard.
Of course, we will take it more personally as its our club that is invovled, but it appears most fans of most other clubs agree, if the views expressed on P&B are anything to go by.
Again, I will await the punishment of McInnes with interest.
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€2m is a decent fee I guess.
Be interested to see what the "signing bonus" is? Never heard of that before.
Hopefully we now have more players incoming.
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McInnes ban should be longer than Watts (albeit I wholeheartedly disagree with Watts punishment.)
His language was stronger, he inferred foul play, even if he didnt say it implicitly, and it was in reference to a game neither he nor his team were involved in.
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17 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said:
JWFC, totally agree mate.
weeyin, normally I’d agree with you also but even by their lazy/low journalism standards, for them to pick the low figure - one that I’ve not seen mentioned - for a player who is widely regarded to have been one of the best midfielders in the league last season is strange.
Maybe the source likes succulent lamb and his benefactor has a vested interest in keeping the price down! 😍😍😍
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13 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said:
Guy at work says the scum is reporting that we’ve knock back a bid of £1m for Watt. We’ve been hearing that we’ve knocked back bids of £1.7m for him so where do they get their low figure?
Can we now expect them and other Scottish media outlets and pundits to be saying that one of the arse cheeks has offered £1.5m and we should take it?Scottish newspapers generally have no clue what we are up to these days. Its quite refreshing, even if it is a little frustrating waiting on any real news about our ins & outs......
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13 hours ago, wellfan said:
I wasn’t thinking like this a week or two ago, but the negativity has started to creep in because of the lack of signings, the pre-season starting XIs, and reports of yet more injuries adding to our ever-increasing list of crocks and duds.
If we go out of the UCL to HB without so much as a whimper, I’d say it’s game over for AJ before the league season has even started. It might not be entirely his fault, but the buck will stop with him. A defeat like that would be terminal, just as it was for Alexander after Sligo.
That said, a busy week in the transfer market, both in and out, could quickly change the mood. The concern is that, even if it does, it’ll still leave little time for AJ to get his preferred XI ready for next Thursday.
We had nearly 2 years of Alexanderball before Sligo, so I dont think quite the same thing. But would be a horrendous start nonetheless.....
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I would hope that unless negotiations for any of our better players are at a significantly advanced stage, then all of them should be playing v HB (unless injured).
I get that we are a selling club, and I get that we cant stand in the way of players progressing their careers, we literally sell ourselves as the vehicle for that, but deals can fall through and the club has a duty to the fans first and foremost.
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25 minutes ago, MelvinBragg said:
Doesn't matter whether you think they're any good or not, they're still taking home a wage so the original point that we need to free up wages before bringing in replacements remains true...
It does.
But do we write off the opportunity to make money from Europe simply because our squad is a little bulky in certain positions right now?
Spending a little to accumulate more has served us well recently.
The group stages might be a long shot but our signing strategy shouldnt ignore it.
Especially if we see some players moving on eventually.....
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10 minutes ago, AllyMax said:
It was obvious he was only out to fleece the club...
The Shear audacity of it! 😍😍😍
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20 minutes ago, MJC said:
It is very unlikely that we will see anywhere near the same levels of performance both by the extremely attractive football we played when at our best last season and how we finish in the table. And to be fair that is absolutely fine and reasonable to not expect a repeat because that was always going to be very difficult to repeat. If, for example, we finished bottom six after a pretty mediocre campaign but nowhere near relegation then we could probably look at that as a positive, certainly if that is what was being offered to us right now. It doesn’t work like that of course.
The key thing which will determine how our season goes will hinge on who we are able to bring in between now and the end of August and at this point we still have time to get our squad sorted.
So why predict doom & gloom?
You admit there is a possibility we might not f#ck up the re-build?
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On the bright side, if all our good players do get sold, Alfred has a blank slate and a shitload of dough to build his own team....
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47 minutes ago, Big Stall said:
Quite a few sports the best coaches have never been elite players.
Hoping our new manager is one of them! 😍😍😍
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If I kn-ewe I was gonna get this kinda response I woulda started a chaat about Roasted Cheese!
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Two years on from Barmack and his Wild Sheep, how do we feel fan ownership is going?
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Rumours on instagram that Southampton are interested in Eli Just....
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These are training games.
If we get turned over by Hanvar and pumped out of Europe then I might start to get concerned.
Hopefully a couple more signings in this week.
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Im hoping Olly Whyte is gonna be taking up one of the midfield slots.
If its Hallidays, Im fine with that.
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On the face of it, those seem like 2 decent signings.
Both in positions we will need to fill, both young with decent youth pedigree and room for development.
Hopefully the reality is as good as the data and that there are more incoming!
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27 minutes ago, David said:
It depends, really.
From your post, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, it sounded like you thought we should be getting £4.5m cash as a basic fee. I figure we're likely to get around £3.5m as a basic fee, maybe a little more if there are more than a few teams interested and he's happy to go to either.
If there's one particular team that he's really keen on, and they're offering £3.5m basic fee, and are open to add-ons as I detailed above, I'd take that. would you?
I tend to think about the headline figure rather than how the deal is broken down, as its hard to compare like for like otherwise.
Ive no idea how the Lennon Miller deal breaks down, but we are led to believe the headline figure is around the £4.5m mark. Whether thats in total or including add ons I have no idea. But its a useful guide to start with when valuing Just.
FWIW, I dont think Just is worth anywhere near what Raskin or Engels are worth purely based on the wages they currently earn and how that factors into transfer fees. (Despite the fact that he had a better season than both last year.)
But you would think Just is on at least the same, if not more than Miller was, so thats a fair comparison.
I guess only the club know exactly what the Miller deal is worth and therefore will be best placed to put a valuation on Just.
I totally accept we cannot stand in the players way when we sell ourselves as a club that provides players a platform to progress their careers, but he still has 2+1 years on his deal and we are a long way past the point where we bend over as a club at the first offer.
In short, I think £3.5m plus add ons is the minimum we should be looking for and probably the starting point for negotiations. I would hope to be pushing it towards the £5m mark.
Anything short of that they clubs should be told to jog on.
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24 minutes ago, texanwellfan said:
On the negative side we have to spend some of that money to get a replacement which will be a gamble for us. Will we finish lower down the table or go out of competitions ‘cause we miss him on the park, leading to loss of money?
Can’t really accurately assess the possible negative financial aspect of the situation but I think it Will all really be driven by Just amd his agent. Once the lure of a Much better pay day is up for grabs it’s hard to retain a player per contract amd keep them settled happy amd playing well.I guess this is where we have to trust Nick Dawes and his data, unless of course Alfred already has a replacement in mind......
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1 hour ago, David said:
Fair question, and at the risk of writing too many words for some people, I'll give it a go.
I’d probably value it by separating the player from the deal structure.
As far as the player goes, I think Just is excellent. He’s 26, coming off a very strong Premiership season, has World Cup visibility, plays in a valuable attacking role, and we are not under immediate pressure because he has two years plus the club option.
That matters, although we do need to factor in what the player wants as well.
On top of that, valuation still has to sit inside the market he’s being sold from.
The closest benchmark for us is Lennon Miller at roughly £4.5m-£4.75m, but that was for an 18-year-old midfielder with major resale upside. Hibs getting around £6m upfront for Kieron Bowie is a useful comparison too, but Bowie is 23, a Scotland international, had strong resale value and there was Serie A interest.
So for Just, I’d break it down like this:
Basic fee: £3.5m-£4m
Appearance add-ons: £500k-£750k
European/international performance add-ons: £500k-£750k
Future sale add-on or profit clause: 15%-20%
Total package ceiling: around £5m-£5.5m if everything landsThat, to me, is the realistic sweet spot.
I don’t think £6m-£8m guaranteed is how buying clubs will price a 26-year-old winger from Motherwell, even after a brilliant World Cup.
But I do think Motherwell should be pushing for a deal that lets us benefit if the buyer is right and he kicks on again. The buying club is gambling on that happening, so we should position ourselves to share in that if it does.
So my number would be:
£4m guaranteed, or as close to it as possible (no less than £3.5m), plus serious add-ons and a proper sell-on. Obviously, the higher our guaranteed ask is, the less we can ask for when it comes to add-ons, usually which is worth keeping in mind.
I honestly think that’s recognising his value while structuring the deal properly so Motherwell aren’t left short if he proves he’s worth more.
Obviously something mental such as a bidding war between two or more clubs desperate for him could happen, even if the chances are slim, but we can always hope!
So we actually agree roughly on the numbers?
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7 hours ago, Yabba's Turd said:
Skyscanner showing flight prices of £500 with massive layovers, 10 hour travel time around £6-700, watch it on't telly
Aye had a good look around yesterday. Couldnt find anything remotely palatable under £600 without staying for a full week!
Always wanted to go there but never managed previously with Scotland or Motherwell.
If we were guaranteed to go thru, saving the money for the next round would seem like a smart plan.
Unfortunately with Motherwell nothing is ever guaranteed!
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2026/27 Ins & Outs Discussion
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Not sure he is a direct replacement, but we have seen Oscar and Fadinger play very well together at the base of the midfield, so it is at least a known quantity.
We probably still need a back up in there for injuries and suspensions, but that could well be one of our academy players as there certainly seems to be a huge emphasis on youth development coming through the clubs communications this season, whether it be talking about the manager or just the squad in general.
Id still like a Watt replacement though as last season all 3 got plenty minutes.