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58 minutes ago, robsterwood said:
Personal opinion but I'm not that interested now finishing 7th or 8th or 9th. I know money means a lot to club but to fans I'm not interested now and season over. Splits not a great idea. Means seasons finished and clubs in top half sometimes have less points than bottom 6. Think we're safe now points plus goal difference. Wil be back at league cup matches.
Ive never understood this logic.
Surely you are interested in how much money the manager has to spend on new players in the close season.
As has been already stated the difference of a couple of places could be £125k.
That could be the difference in getting a couple of our 1st choice targets, or having to settle for "projects" again.
Every game between now and the end of the season is important to us.
We have a big rebuild again in the summer. The more money we have for that the better.
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21 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:
Given our injuries this season and our horrible winless run I would have settled for 10th spot a few months ago. So for me, its almost job done but not quite yet. Lets take the summer to rebuild for next season. Hopefully SK will find it easier to clear the decks this time round and bring in more of his own choices.
Hopefully a more balanced squad that will allow us to play more than one way!
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The wind spoiled the game today.
Thought we started the brighter although Hibs grew into it and were the more dangerous team for 10 -15 minutes in the middle of the half.
Thought we might have got the advantage with the wind behind us but it didnt really seem to pan out that way.
Pretty scrappy second half and although Kelly made a couple of good saves, I didnt think there was much between the teams.
SK's substitutions continue to baffle me. I felt sure we were going to a back 4 when he took SOD off for Nicholson which would have been the obvious move, so to see Nicholson playing wing back seemed weird and didnt really play to his strengths
Taking off both Miller and Spittal and firing on 2 forward players when we already had Bair and Moses on the pitch seemed a bit mental, albeit we ultimately got the equaliser.
It felt that we got it in spite of the changes not because of them.
Mental to think we should have won it at the end with Shaws chance.
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2 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:
Was talking to some Celtic supporters this week about Theo Bair and said he must be the biggest player in the league.
Well I wanted to know for sure....so I did the research.
Top Ten Units in the Scottish Premier League (height x weight, goalkeepers excluded).
1. Theo Bair (Motherwell)
2. Ricki Lamie (Dundee)
3. Cameron Carter-Vickers (Celtic)
4. Michael Nottingham (Livingston)
5. Leo Balogun (Rangers)
6. Dante Polvara (Aberdeen)
7. James Scott (St Mirren)
8. Stephen O'Donnell (Motherwell)
9. Charles Dunne (St Mirren)
10. Dan Casey (Motherwell)
Surprised Bevis isnt on that list.....
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16 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:
Kelly
O'Donnell
McGinn
Casey
Blaney
Gent
Miller
Zdravkovski
Spittal
Vale
Bair
Not too much to argue about there.
Devine probably better foing forward than SOD, but SOD has been pretty steady at the back this season. Probably his best since he joined us.
I like Mugabi in the centre of the 3 just to clear the ball at set pieces, but maybe not so much an issue v Hibs.
The rest picks itself.
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2 minutes ago, grizzlyg said:
Hi folks, is Motherwell TV available for UK residents? My mates dad unable to attend today and was wondering if he could watch it online anywhere?
As far as Im aware its only audio available officially via MFCTV in the Uk.
There may be ways to get it online but not officially via the club........
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My view is that no one is in a position to make a decision on what way they would vote right now as none of us has any detail of what the deal is.
Once that is known, if as Steelboy claims, it doesnt value MFC appropriately AND doesnt provide us with a platform to increase our revenue streams, then I would be voting against.
If they want a controlling share of the club the offer, for me, would have to be "transformational" for us as a club to be entertained. I dont see these guys as having that sort of money, but lets wait and see.
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10 hours ago, steelboy said:
Giving up transfer income would be crazy unless we are getting some kind of transformative investment on the playing side.
It would just be giving away an income stream for nothing in return.
I addressed that in my next paragraph which you cut.
Im not sure what your agenda is here, but no one Ive seen is saying we should roll over and get our tummy tickled. Far from it.
But you seem to have already decided that this guy cant be trusted and should be chased.
Do you have some knowledge or information that the rest of us dont?
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11 hours ago, wellgirl said:
Absolutely. But I really do want outside investment. I think we need it. As much as I appreciate the job the well society have done I still think there hasn't been enough transparency over what's been done with the funds to date. I am sure it's been diverted to good causes. But where is the information?
And I also see that the new board are doing good things. But... We have members of the board speaking out saying they don't want outside investment. I completely get that too
I looked at my emails today. I got one email when I joined in 2018 and then nothing till 2022.
I also absolutely appreciate that people do this in their own time for no money.
If the well society don't want outside investment.. Then they need to look at raising a lot of money to inject into our club
How do they do this? I need to be honest here. The they are doing better now after the length of time they've been going really isn't good enough
They've had people giving them money when they've had very little and if they really want to make a solid case for fan investment they really need to get a move on
I agree that outside investment would be helpful. But it has to be on the right terms.
Some of the figures being quoted, if true, are just derisory.
£1.5m for controlling share of the club should be shown the door.
If we are honestly looking at that just sell Lennon Miller now and move on.
We make more money and still have control of the club.
Everyone on the Well Society Board will have their own views, but I dont think Ive heard any of them say they didnt want any investment under any circumstances.
I have heard some say that they wouldnt want investment that meant giving away control of the club. But given that the Society exists for that purpose I wouldnt expect any different. The new Society Board have only been in place a short time so, happy to be patient with them. However, they are now under a little bit of pressure to deliver the improvements required given the ongoing investment talks.
Re that investment, if we are talking £1.5m for 20% of the club with the Society retaining 51% then I think thats closer to where we should be valuing ourselves, albeit I think thats still a little on the low side.
Id be more relaxed about the % split on player trading if thats where the investors think they can make their money. But that part of the deal still requires us to be getting a % that improves our current position.
Im not worried about where we are right now, I actually feel that its quite exciting as we have a real opportunity to strengthen the club for the future.
We just need to ensure that we examine the details closely and make the right decisions.
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11 hours ago, weeyin said:
It did get paid, though. Just took longer than usual because it was the first year MLS teams were in the scheme and their federation were trying to claim they were Tier 4 for the purposes of compensation pay outs. So it had to go through all the UEFA and FIFA bureaucracy until it was settled.
In the end, when Cadden signed for Hibs, the fee had to be paid before he got his clearance.
'Flow talked about this on a couple of occasions including confirming that it was paid.
Also, anybody who gives a footballer any credit for the brains to come up with a scheme like that hasn't met many footballers.
Must have missed the fact that it was paid.
I do recall Flow talking about being in communication with the US club but there were complications because they were outside the regulatory framework.
Ive never thought Cadden cooked the scheme up. Always felt is was down to Columbus Crew and his agent. I hold no ill will towards the player but Id rather we didnt end up in the same situation again.
Anyway, my post was intended to be light hearted so maybe I should have used some imojis! 😆😆😆
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2 hours ago, Mad Dog said:
Although preferably leaving for a transfer fee as well.
Of course!
You could add, not try and wind up our fans on your return to Fir Park having left for no transfer fee and bending international rules to ensure the development fee doesnt get paid!
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I dont think its failing either.
It could be better, and we could raise more money which would help.
But we still exist, we are still in the top league and are doing at least as well as some clubs who are spending way more than we are.
I get that all of that could change quickly and having extra investment on the right terms would be advantageous but the Well Society has served a purpose and with the right decision making can continue to do so going forward.
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39 minutes ago, texanwellfan said:
So they are approx. 12 million in the hole?? Where do they think they are getting the money to make that up???
It looks to be about £9.2m all in if correct.
Still a hefty sum.
Given United are also reported to be wracking up losses and are reportedly around £10m in debt to their "investor" I think folks need to re-assess why they think "fan ownership" is failing........
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45 minutes ago, mfc said:
I see dundee have posted nearly a £3 million loss for the past year and expect similar next year,clearly they have been overspending on player wages again as none of it is going on there pitch,that's one club that never seems to learn a lesson when it comes to finances.
They also appear to owe £6.3m to shareholders in what I presume are "soft loans"........
I think its fair to say the investor model doesnt come without a price tag.
Devil is always in the detail.
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Better to stay, get games under your belt and move on as an Alan Campbell, David Turnbull or (whisper it) Chris Cadden, than a Jake Hastie or Bailey Rice........
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1 hour ago, santheman said:
One fly in the ointment could be the Dundee Rangers game being off this midweek which going by the weather forecast is a distinct possibility.
It would leave us in a bit of limbo for a few more days, especially if we beat Hibs and Aberdeen beat Dundee.
Hopefully it goes ahead and we know whether it's top or bottom 6 by 5pm on Saturday.
Is their game not on tv again?
I would Imagine the covers were put back on the park immediately after the game on Saturday and every effort will be made to get the game on.
Given we were able to play on it on Saturday and the pitch seemed perfectly playable (albeit a poor surface) I would like to think the game will go ahead.
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10 minutes ago, wellgirl said:
Why are people entitled to a vote if they aren't paying into the well society?
Because under the initial rules you didnt have to.
My initial stake was £300 for full membership. I was happy to pay that as I had the money available and wasnt buying a season ticket at that time.
There were other tiers of membership with far higher subscriptions than mine. I think the top level was £1500 if I recall correctly whereby you got all sorts of other benefits.
The rules changed later to smaller monthly subscriptions to allow those who were able to give a little more often to join.
I now pay monthly, but didnt for quite a long time.
I think its only fair that anyone who gave money under the rules at the time have their right to vote protected.
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14 hours ago, wunderwell said:
Got to laugh. People want the manager to quit at half time.
Beat Rangers at Ibrox, what a few weeks ago?
Eighth in the league, budget lowered, safe as houses soon.
God help us if were losing 1-0 at half time against Hibs on Saturday. Morons can't even wait until full time anymore.
Probably the same tadgers that get bored half way through a 10 second clip on Instagram.
Its kind of a reflection of where society is now.
Too many want instant gratification.
For all the positives of social media, this is the huge negative.
Football has always been an emotional game, but back in the day you just vented your frustration at the match or disected the performance over a pint with your mates afterwards in the pub.
Now everyone has the ability to publish those thoughts immediately and thats not necessarily a good thing.
Not a big fan of posting during a game as Im usually too engrossed in it to be bothered with my phone.
It is good to debate things before and after though, particularly for those of us who dont live in the local area and dont meet any other Motherwell fans on a day to day basis.
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11 hours ago, wellgirl said:
All I saw on here earlier in the season was that Bair and just about everyone else was shite and that Kettlewell should go. Not in disagreement but shame it's taken this long to realise what a good team and manager we actually have.
Not sure thats fair.
There are always some posters who are entirely negative, but there were enough of us who tried to keep things positive.
Most just post in respect of how they are feeling at that particular time and 15 games without a win seemed like a very long time.
Personally, I dont think we have a good team. But its a lot better than some gave it credit for.
Similarly with Kettlewell.
Id call both a work in progress.
I think most reasonable fans now agree.
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Absolutely.
You can cast many accusations at Kettlewell and the squad, but not being together isnt one of them.
The manager has his faults for sure. He wouldnt be at Motherwell if he didnt. But he has created a strong dressing room and that is there for all to see.
We may not have won as many games this season as we would have liked, but the number of points we have picked up from losing positions has been quite impressive.
I think the manager and the team deserve one last push from us to help them over the line.
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£1.5m for a controlling share of the club values us at £3m.
Given that Lennon Miller is worth that on his own, Im not sure how seriously I would be taking those figures.
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Just went back and watched the video again (yes, I know!) and whilst the video is clearly aimed at US investors, it doesnt at any point actually stipulate that AND it finishes by making an appeal to ANYONE with money that would see us as an attractive proposition.
Not really sure what Steelboys angle is here. I agree we need to be wary about the type of investor we attract and that we should certainly be carrying out due dilligence surrounding the individual/group and the offer, but there is nothing I've seen to suggest that we arent doing that and the Well Society certainly arent sending out those kind of signals.
No need to be getting our knickers in a twist until we have something to deliberate over.
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Are cup goals not included?
Not that he needs any more entries, but Spittal's free kick v Alloa has to be a contender.
Of those in the compilation, Slattery's is the best team goal.
Individually its between Spittals screamer v Ross County and The Bairs dink.