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Heading out tomorrow afternoon from Edinburgh via Palma! Overnighter in the Shamrock Bar on the Paseo Maritimo, incoming!
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Im generally a supporter of the Bois as I do like the colour and noise they bring to the stadium, and I was young once myself! But, there does come a point where they need to wise up and take some responsibility for their actions, or at least reign in their behaviour.
Id prefer if it was self policing, rather than enforced, but its costing the club serious money now, and although they have payed off some of their own fines in the past, there is no way they can afford to pay these!
Its not just the €100k to UEFA here though, the club have agreed to cover the €74k for the digital advertising hoarding that was damaged in Helsinki.
We all love our team, and we can all lose the run of ourselves at times, but you can still make a decision not to go over the wall or to take pyro into the ground.
I hope these conversations are taking place within the various groups involved, as Id hate it to get to the stage where people are being banned from the stadium.
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58 minutes ago, thewelllfan said:
is he not out of contract in the summer?
I think we have another year option after the end of this season.
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16 hours ago, Happyhonest said:
Saw on Facebook (so must be right) that Maswanhise is linked to Trabzonspor who have made a 7 million euro bid. Can’t find the link now. Anyone else seen this?
Id bite your hand off for €7m.
I would imagine if the rumour had any credibility it would be a done deal.
Cant imagine the club haggling over much at that fee.
Happy enough for Maswanhise to still be here after the window closes. Would surely be a motivator for him to get a move in January?
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14 minutes ago, Great Balls of Shire said:
So , that's a long winded way of saying you dont have enough knowledge for an opinion but here's mine anyway...most people would just say nothing.
Not sure how much knowledge you need to have to form an opinion, and I wouldnt want to stop anyone from having theirs, or indeed offering it up.
But I do think you should be willing to consider changing your view in the face of information that may cast doubt on your own.
Debate is good, or so they say!
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1 hour ago, Stuwell2 said:
I think Thor and possibly Stam are finished with us. I know it was said they were training themselves as not ready to train with the squad but I feel that there’s possibility more to it than that.
On what basis?
They were both reported to have muscle injuries.
If they are back training, they are maybe ok for light running, but not contact training with the squad?
I think most of us expect Stama to return to Australia at some point, but its surely too early to be calling time on Eythor.
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This appears to be a great signing.
A bit like Hodge, probably a bit more money than we would ever have looked at in the past, but with many more multiples possible in sell on fee if all goes well.
Like all transfers, its a bit of a risk, but he looks an exciting prospect, so we need to trust the process.
Think that will be us done now unless Fadinger, Longelo or Maswanhise go out the door.
Hopefully not though. Would be nice to get the squad settled down at last.
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45 minutes ago, MJC said:
That’s all fair enough and yes, maybe I am a bit of a dinosaur and completely out of touch with modern training methods. I certainly don’t have a sound knowledge on sports science and nutrition and the like.
Simply put, in my opinion as a ‘tone deaf’ supporter, I think we got our priorities wrong. Those who are far more qualified than me to say otherwise will probably disagree.
There is nothing wrong with having the opinion that the League Cup should be a higher priority than a European tie.
Im torn on that, as Id love to see us win another trophy in my lifetime, and I actually agree with you that we only have 2 realistic shots at that every season.
Its the ignoring the circumstances that the manager and the players have found themselves due to the turnover of staff at the club over the summer that I have an issue with.
I dont think Alfred didnt want to win the league cup.
He was just in a difficult situation with fixtures and injuries.
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Glad we took advantage of the opportunity to postpone the game.
The players have been full on since the start of the season with 2 games a week, plenty travel and precious little time on the training ground.
The break will hopefully allow some of the injuries to ease / be managed and give Alfred a few more days to get some of his ideas across.
Hopefully Dundee United will agree to the midweek game being moved. Makes sense for both clubs.
Despite having had a very decent start to the season, I dont think we will see the best of Alfred / this squad until the window is closed and the fixtures start to settle down come October.
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4 hours ago, MJC said:
I’m not taking the piss.
They’re professional footballers, they are capable of playing a game three days after the last one. The problem we had with Stenhousemuir is that we dropped key players and didn’t take the tie as seriously as we should have done.If there was any game where we should have rotated the squad and played fringe players then it was the Freiburg game because we were never winning that and in the grand scheme of things the league and league cup are far more important to us.
Ive tried really hard not to bite on your posts recently, but you are either tone deaf or purposely trolling and I fear its the former rather than the latter.
Football is no longer played in the 80s when the boys pissed off to the pub or the bookies after training.
They are highly tuned professional athletes pushing their bodies to the limit on a weekly basis.
Physical load is an actual thing, otherwise clubs wouldnt be employing sports scientists to monitor and take care of players to try and prevent injury.
Unfortunately this only goes so far and cant take into account contact injuries which we appear to have had a number of this season.
The manager was on a hiding to nothing with the Stenny game. He could play a full team, risk further injury, risk losing more players for weeks of the league season and get a hiding off Freiburg home and away.
Or he could play some of the young boys, hope we squeek thru and manage the load.
It didnt come off for him, and I maybe wouldnt have played as many of the young boys, but that was his judgement.
If he had followed your judgement instead of the sports scientists, there is a high liklihood we would still be in the league cup, but every chance we would now be without a fair number of our best players for weeks.
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10 hours ago, weeyin said:
I don't get this need for defenders to tug shirts, wrap arms or grab shoulders. Every single one of them a foul by the strict letter of the law and dependent on the competence of the ref to decide which ones are penalised.
Very soft award that would never have happened if he had taken the advice he was no doubt given as a 7 or 8 year old to keep his hands down.
All well and good.
But their players were constantly grabbing shirts, coming thru the back of their opponents and committing technical fouls and went largely unpunished.
If the ref gave all of those and booked their players as well, Id have no complaints.
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Im going with Moorman.
He was absolutely solid right up until the penalty and the red card, and Im not having it that it was anything other than simulation.
Otherwise the next time someone taps me on the shoulder I might just throw myself to the ground......
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Really proud of the team tonight. We scored a great goal, defended for our lives and worked our socks off. We limited their chances from open play so its disappointing to concede to 2 set pieces and a penalty. Freiburg are a very good side and deserved to win the game.
But........
The officials were absolutely honking.
Maybe its just how it is at this level, but the amount of shirt pulling, technical fouls and other dark arts going on was ridiculous. Even more gauling then when we concede a penalty and get a red card for clear simulation.
Folk can blame Moorman if they like, and I agree he shouldnt have touched the guys shoulder with his hand, but that doesnt cause the guys legs to collapse. Its blatant cheating and leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
Thought our response to going down to ten men was good, albeit reduced to long balls in Sebs direction (he looks handy).
Overall, we lost a game to a good team. But, I would really love it if we could bloody their nose over there.
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6 hours ago, Wee Alpha said:
Is there a Paul Lambert in our midst who could impress tonight and make the move to the Bundesliga.
Lucas Fadinger....
Hopefully not until next season though!
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14 hours ago, 0Neils40yarder said:
Taking this with a pinch of salt...its been a while since anything the club are up to has been leaked to the press
Agreed.
I mean, I would take him in a hearbeat.
But this sounds very much like his agent trying to deepen the pool!
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4 hours ago, SteelmaninOZ said:
The gaffer said
Very impressive press conference.
Alfred isnt as intimidating as Jens, but he is no shrinking violet either, and showed real strength of character in his answers.
Im sure that will transmit to the players and he will have earned their respect as a result.
Still annoyed about the League Cup exit, but 100% understand it and it will soon be forgotten about if we get a strong performance tomorrow night.
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Most importantly, we need to try and hang on to Fadinger & Longelo this window. They are integral to what we do and would leave holes that are too big to fill this late in the window. They can be next seasons big money sales!
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Another signing that very much fits our current model/process.
Young, former academy graduate, struggling to find a home he feels comfortable in. Paid an undisclosed fee.
I presume the signing is data driven again, so should fit all the metrics we require.
Be interesting to see if this means Stama will be heading out the door or if we will try to use him to supplement what we have.
If he goes, Id personally like to get another one in as Hendry looks crocked and Eythor is still a bit unknown.
Looking forward to seeing what the young man can do!
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5 hours ago, Spit_It_Out said:
But lets be honest the squad on a whole isnt good enough to compete because we should have enough depth to beat Stenhousemuir.What if by some miracle we get to the group stage?How is that going to pan out.
And the way its going unless we get bodies of a standard then its going to be a very very long season I would also add it doesnt help at all when a few first team players are not at the races aswell ie Vogts and Maswanhise.It felt like we started with nine men on Sunday.
My point is do I blame the boss no however I think we need bodies right now that can do the basics to the level required we dont have to be down to the decimal point for every signing.
We dont have a big enough squad right now. But thats mostly due to injuries. We currently have the following out
SOD, McGinn, Sparrow, McGhee, Williams, Priestman, Stama, Eythor, Hendry
Add those 9 back into the squad and we are nowhere near as threadbare as we have been made to look.
Obviously we can debate whether any of those listed are starters or whether somemof them need moved on. But with a couple more signings up top and the injury list clear, we would be in pretty good shape.
Its part of the frustration with the Stenny game / team selection.
I agree Alfred could have started with Moorman, Fadinger and Longelo but with Sparrow, Williams and Priestman all being out. Moorman is the only one we have cover for if any of them got injured. You could even add Koutroumbis into that scenario.
Clearly, Alfred has chosen to rotate for Stenny hoping to scrape through. I it hasnt worked out, but it was the right decision.
Going into the Freiburg game with a much weakened team doesnt bare thinking about.
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10 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:
Thanks for that insight David. I suppose thats what sports science is all about.
So, what we're saying is that whilst a manager takes the actual decisions on team selection and and substitutions, the opinions he is presented with by other staff can, in some circumstances (like a squad limited by injuries), pretty well dictate what team he actually puts on the park. For example, "Player A has a minor strain and we recommend he plays no more than 20 minutes". So, whilst ordinary fans like me naively assume that the manager has free rein to pick the team the reality might be totally different.
I think the manager does have free reign to pick the team.
However, given our current injury situation, he would be mad to go against the sports scientists and risk picking up more unwanted injuries.
Imagine if something had happened to Koutroumbis & Longelo and we went into the Freiburg game with Ross and Wilson as fullbacks?
This place would go into meltdown.
Folk are more than entitled to their opinions on players, but the realities of modern day football means sometimes a managers hands are tied.
Hopefully we can put together a stronger team for Freiburg and consign this episode to history.
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1 hour ago, David said:
As I've mentioned elsewhere, we're in danger of oversimplifying what goes into these types of decisions.
It's not simply a case of looking at the fixture list and deciding to rest half the team because there's a European game coming up.
From what I gather, the players are monitored pretty closely. The staff will have data on how far they've run, how much high-intensity running they've done, sprints, accelerations, training loads and how all of that compares to their normal levels.
Then you've got the medical side. A player can be perfectly fit to play but still have a bit of tightness or be carrying a heavier workload than normal. The advice might be that he's fine for 30 minutes, fine for 60, or that another 90 minutes probably isn't a great idea.
They'll also look at recovery, how the player has been training, how many minutes he's played recently and his own injury history. A 21-year-old who has hardly missed a game through injury might be treated differently from a 30-year-old with a history of hamstring problems.
The opposition (and the playing surface, no matter how much some people like to dismiss it) comes into it as well. The coaching staff will have analysed them and worked out where they think they can afford to make changes without weakening the team too much.
So the manager might effectively be getting told that Player A is absolutely fine, Player B has played a lot but isn't a concern, Player C is showing signs of fatigue and Player D is carrying a minor issue that could become a bigger problem.
He then has to make the decision.
That's particularly relevant for a club like ours when we're playing Thursday-Sunday-Thursday and have been doing that for several weeks. Some players could end up playing four or five games in a fortnight if you just keep putting out the strongest XI.
That doesn't mean rotation is always the right decision. Managers can still get it wrong. You can change too many players, lose the rhythm of the team and end up going out of a competition you had a decent chance of progressing in. Teams far bigger with managers far more experienced than us have slipped on that banana peel before.
But I do think it's worth remembering when we see a team selection we don't like that the manager isn't working with the same information we are.
We're looking at the names on the teamsheet.
He's looking at the teamsheet plus all the physical, medical, training and opposition information behind it.
We can argue with the decision he eventually makes. But there's usually a lot more behind that decision than simply "Europe is more important, so we'll rest a few players."
This 100 times over.
But you know, he is Scandinavian, so clearly just disrespected Stenny & The League Cup.....
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6 hours ago, weeyin said:
You can see that right now his footballing brain is a step ahead of some of his team mates, but a few more weeks together and they should be in sync.
Very reminiscent of another former Rangers player who arrived at Fir Park trying to resurrect his career.....
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Everyone was a 7/10 or above tonight so feels kinda unfair to single anyone out.
The entire backline were magnificent. Oscar and Faddy did Oscar and Faddy things. Lowry showed his range of passing is gonna be up there this season and a special mention for Olly Whyte who put in a real shift when he came on and showed he is someone we could be getting excited about very soon.
MOTM though is SAID. He is box office every week, but those 2 goals are ridiculous! Ifbhe keeps that up another club record transfer fee will be incoming!
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Dont want to get carried away, but.....
That was magnificent. Certainly the best European performance Ive seen at Fir Park and as dominant a display as I think Ive seen in any game.
Helsinki barely had a shot on goal all night and we could have easily scored 5 or 6. They could barely get the ball off us until we shut up shop and went 5 at the back.
Is this how football is supposed to be?
Great credit to the manager and the players for hitting the ground running. Im sure most of us had the fear that we had seen the last of performances like that when Jens and our 3 best players left in the summer. Its testament to them and the recruitment team that a seemless transition is well underway.
Bravo Motherwell! 🧡❤️🧡
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Well done Bois
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If you have more information, you could always explain and put the usual suspects right?