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6 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:
Looking forward to tonight, with a big crowd behind us. I'm apprehensive but optimistic at the same time. My concern is lack of firepower up front but, we'll see. I had hoped to see another midfielder added before tonight as we certainly had enough warning of the likelihood of Slattery, Watt and Just leaving, but thats life.
Same here.
We actually have no idea what level Hanvar are at.
But we also dont really know what level we are at either.
I guess part of the excitement of live sports is the finding out!
Hoping Alfred and our young boys can surprise us!
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12 minutes ago, weeyin said:
We need to follow the same recruitment strategy as last summer.
Absolutely.
Lets rinse & repeat.
Will the next future record transfer fee come on down!
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1 hour ago, El Grew said:
When we played them back in 1994 we won the home leg 3-0 and the away leg 4-1 to progress on aggregate 7-1.
The object of tomorrow’s 1st leg must be to put the tie to bed by scoring at least 3 or 4 goals so that the return leg becomes a formality.
If we can’t get past this round then we don’t deserve to be in it.
1994 was probably one of our best ever sides. We went on to give Dortmund a real scare in the next round.
I would hope we can still win the tie. But it might not be pretty tomorrow night.
I actually think we are likely to be better in the away leg as we will have an extra weeks fitness under our belt and might have more players to choose from.
Id happily take a 1-0 or 2-0 tomorrow with the expectation we wont lose over there.
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15 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:
Reports tonight that Just's fee is £6m + add ons. We'll probably have to pay Horsens a cut.
Should leave us with at least £5m clear plus the add ons.
Spectacular piece of business.
Hopefully assist with the incomings.
Need 3 midfielders and a striker I think. Unless Olly Whyte is definitely going to be one of the midfielders.
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4 minutes ago, star sail said:
The independent report into the OF pitch invasion is pretty damning for the SFA. It basically says that they are not using their powers consistently and I think there is an implication that they ar far too lenient on the Old Firm in particular.
In this particular situation, the two tier policing of Motherwell and Derek McIness could not be more blatant.
McInnes comments were said in anger on live television in the immediate aftermath of a highly volatile ending to the match at FP. His comments were heard by millions. They were inflammatory and clearly called into question the integrity of the officials.
Watt posts on social media to a considerably smaller audience, a comment that may question the competence of the decision but not the integrity of it and his punishment is worse.
You cannot get a more direct and obvious comparison. The SFA have had time to consider this response and will know themselves the discrepancies in this decision making so you have to come to the conclusion that they simply don't care.
Exactly this.
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45 minutes ago, MJC said:
Well technically he got a four match ban with one suspended and I don’t think what he said was that much worse, he said it was “disgusting” which is more or less what every Motherwell fan was saying about the decision.
However I would like to see us as a club asking why he was served a four with one suspended whilst our player was given a straight four game ban. The fact that Watt is no longer our player is irrelevant, it was handed down to him whilst he was and he was perfectly within his rights to question such a ridiculous decision.
I think you need to look more closely at McInnes' comments.
Yes he said they were disgusting, but he also implied there was an agenda hence questioning the integrity of the officials.
Watt didnt do that. He just said it was tge worst VAR decision ever.
McInnes' comments were also in relation to a game he was not involved in.
He was also the manager aka "leader" of his club at that time, therefore in a position of trust, if you will.
The 2 cases are NOT comparable.
The fact that the individual committing the lesser offence received the greater punishment, might be described as "disgusting".
Just my opinion mind you.....
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30 minutes ago, mio said:
Just noticed as well they have put tickets out for sale in the middle section of the lower south stand. That’s brilliant that we’ve sold almost all other tickets. Something like 100 tickets left in the POD, cooper and East.
The only tickets left in other stands seem to be single seats.
Hopefully we can sell a good few in the McLean to make it worth our while and more importantly, improve the atmosphere.
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Even ignoring the parochialism that stands in the way of change, there is also the fact that the Scottish Winter isnt actually reliable.
We have no idea from one winter to the next when the bad weather will be.
Ive been hill climbing in shirt sleeves in December and knee deep in snow in March. We have a maritime climate and our bad weather (and good weather) is at the mercy of the jetstream.
I get the advantages for European Football, and the possibility for greater tv revenue off the back of it, but in a world when the close season is now about 6 weeks, Im not sure moving to Summer football would actually be worth the hassle.
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48 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:
Due to injuries and lack of signings, this tie will be harder than it would otherwise have been. HB are also mid season but have had a few weeks break.
However, its possible, maybe even probable, that they'll be without 2 of their better players due to visa problems. After all is said and done however, the Faroese league is a very small pond, albeit they are a large fish in it. I can't see us floundering on Thursday and can see a 2 or 3 goal win.
I wish I was confident enough to be able to plaice a sizeable bet on us being able to seal our progression after the first leg. But I cant be the only sole harbouring doubts. Hopefully our new keeper can catch a few. Cod only knows how we will get on in the away leg if he cant keep it out the net! Hopefully, it goes ok as Im sure our recruitment team are continuing to trawl other leagues for new players!
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The manager specifically referred to him as an attacking defender. I would imagine thats where we will see him. It is a bonus if he can do other jobs, but I fully expect a couple of midfielders incoming soon.
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54 minutes ago, stv said:
I think that's just about right why we should stay ,improve and not lumber the club with massive costs for a new site and stadium. We own the stadium ,a new stadium would be rented ,mortgaged or some daft lease back scheme where we would never actually own it. We would probably hve to call it, sponsors name,stadium as well .Putting us in a vurnable position in bad times. Stay and upgrade for me. The most cost effective and keep the legacy going.
Is it the most cost effective though?
The ongoing maintenance costs on a ageing stadium only ever go up.
The POD is creaking at present and will ultimately be followed by the other stands in the near future.
The current site also limits drastically our ability to monetise the stadium on a daily basis and grow our business in a way that would remove any annual shortfall without selling players.
Its not as simple as just not putting the club into debt.
We could play it safe and it would probably see us good in the medium term (beyond my lifetime for sure) but it would be nice to aspire to something more.
Regardless, isnt it a great debate to be having?
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Im hoping that even if we have to play one or two of the academy boys, then there should still be enough experience within the squad to see us over the line.
Its not like we havent had an entire season on Jensball to fall back on and the academy boys have now had en entire pre-season including games against 3 pretty tough opponents to bed them in.
I dont think it will be easy. Hanvar will be well organised and they are half way through their season, so likely to have more match sharpness, but we shouldnt be using any of that as an excuse.
Big home crowd for the first real game of the season. Lets make sure we help the boys get it over the line.
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11 minutes ago, Goggles & Flippers said:
I appreciate your reticence and there's a host of horror stories of a chairman's ego making a club homeless and a shiny new stadium hosting zero events and quickly turning into the set from the Last of Us (Darlington, Kassam Oxford).
I think we are unique in our league that two teams suck up so much support from the glory hunting/perpetuating the religious bullshit among our population. That also takes competitiveness and money from communities around the country which they go on to complain about.
To put it as simply as possible, for every 1,000 seats we make available to the OF multiplied how often we play them at home over two seasons being seven (six guaranteed and one normally post split, plus an odd cup tie) and an average ticket price £24 (£30 minus 20% VAT) over a 20 year mortgage is £1.7m before you factor inflation which would take it closer to £2m. Give the OF an extra 5,000 seats to add to the 4,800 they get already we've realised £10m in revenue.
Not only that the stadium would benefit from an uplift in home support due to the novelty factor of it being new.
McDiarmid Park makes something like £1.2m from non match day hospitality and function hire. It seems every funeral in Perth goes back there for their sausage rolls and cakes. Even if we realise half of that on top of what we currently pull in, that's massive. Matchday hospitality would go up two or threefold with a modern offering.
You mention the office space, covid allowed for a lot more home working and while there's still a need for it, it's not as essential as it was before. However, you then have to make the office space you do have and what if offers unique and a reason to seek it out. Having an incubator space where small startups can feed off each other and cross pollinate seems to me to be something that would give you an edge over an empty box at the foot of Airbles Road.
You tap into every resource and grant going, local and national and pan UK. You sell the NLC the residents around FP moaning less, you offer a solution to their concert hall conundrum and you offer an anchor project to stimulate the Ravenscraig site.
For me to be truly unique you need to push the boat out yet always have doing it cost effectively at the heart of it. I'd have it only the second covered grass football pitch in the UK (Millenium Stadium), I'd have that pitch removable so the space can be used for all sorts of events. I'd specify agricultural/industrial design and materials but do it in a way that's it's celebrated. I'd make the site one large power generator, ground source bored hot water to solar and have it export energy. Of course each one of the makes the price increase due to their perceived complexity but if done right and properly researched it can be done for much less than some think.
Sounds fantastic.
But much like last season, we are programmed to believe we cant have nice shiny things.
And even if we do, we dont get to keep them long.
Id love this to be the exception.....
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Just now, FirParkCornerExile said:
so you'd put vitually every penny we have as a deposit.
It wouldnt be every penny we have.
If Just goes thru at £5m and Maswanhise similar, we are sitting on nearly £13m.
With large a chunk of the Miller money still to be banked (albeit some of it ringfenced for the training facility) this is probably as good a time as any to bite the bullet.
Im not saying Im 100% in on a new stadium, but it would be the best way to look to the future.
We can stay at Fir Park and build a new POD and that will tide us over for a while. But it limits our options footprint wise and doesnt take into account the need to improve the rest of the stadium at some point in the future.
That might be the safer way to proceed, and Im not against it either, but I think we need to think very carefully about this.
Its a hugely significant moment in time for the club.
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1 hour ago, Spiderpig said:
Wilson is not up to the standard we need , hes too slow, and his final ball is average at best he struggled for game time on loan last season and i cant see him getting much game time this year as well.
Would need to see what kind of shape he was in and if his year on loan had improved him any. But I agree that on previous perfomances its probably not gonna happen for him with us.
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8 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:
A £20 million pound loan to build a stadium in the UK over 30 years would cost between £1.45 million to £2 million pounds a year to finance., Utter fantasy that we could afford that. Clubs out with Rangers and Celtic would get around £100,000 a year for naming rights.
If we put down a £10m deposit we only need to borrow £10m.
Sell Maswanhise and we are in the ballpark.
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On the face if it another good signing.
Good youth pedigree, over 60 senior appearances, right age to develop and maximise sell on value.
Hopefully he has the ability to back it up.
Also in a position we have needed cover for, for some time.
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24 minutes ago, stv said:
These others will not have Motherwell FC at the heart of any decision making. Self interest and making money is the whole story. The Americans,for example that have put money into Scottish Clubs will pull the plug when they have made enough money or lost enough of it. The Clubs are just a vehicle to making money. Staying at FP means we won't owe or answer to anyone.
Dont think we need to owe anyone or answer to anyone (other than the bank) if we move to Ravenscraig. But we will need the co-operation of the local authority and other partner agencies if we are building new.
Clearly a new purpose built stadium to see us into the future would be beneficial for all sorts of reasons, but it doesnt necessarily mean it is going to happen.
One of the biggest obstructions is that local authoritues dont have any money for redevelopment of town centres and with the hit to the high street after Covid, Im not sure a new shopping/leisure development is even feasible anymore.
It might be that remaining at Fir Park is the only feasible option right now.
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I think thats the minimum allocation as required by UEFA.
Hopefully the club can negotiate enough to fulfill demand.
I see the club are advertising dates TBC.
Does who beats who decide the seeding? It all seems a bit mental having the draw before tge games are played, if it doesnt benefit by way of planning & preparation.
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Quite like to get Helsinki.
Never been to Finland. Think it would be a cool trip.
Looks like we will have the choice of a winnable tie with poor away allocation.
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A harder tie with better away allocation.
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29 minutes ago, wellup83 said:
Demolish and rebuild the POD with something along the lines of the main stand at Tynecastle. It won't even have to be as tall as the existing and can also remain at the same length avoiding the need to purchase neighbouring properties. Imagine a beautiful glass facade with a nice hospitality lounge within, decorated with fresh tribute to our beloved number 10.
We could build the end bit in glass to avoid blocking out the light!
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I think there are pro's & cons to both scenarios.
My only pre-requisite is, that whatever option is chosen, we do it well and end up with something we can be proud of, that generates the club money rather than take it out.
My gut feeling is though, that working with multi-agency partners over at Ravenscraig might not be as straightforward as we would like it to be.
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27 minutes ago, wellsince75 said:
Thanks - seems like the majority of experienced players are struggling but wasn't sure if some weren't playing as leaving.
All feels a bit discombobulated at the moment.
Aye.
Comms from the club havent been great during pre-season.
Of course some things need to be kept under wraps, like transfer negotiations etc, but simple things like who is fit and who isnt should be fairly straightforward.
Also with the World Cup and everything else going on, media focus is elsewhere.
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Havnar Bóltfelag vs Motherwell (30/7) Discussion
in Club Chat
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I looked this up yesterday because Im kinda sad and wonder about these things, but Hanvar is Faroese for Port or Harbour. Boltfelag means football club. So HB Torshaven are actually Port Torshaven FC.
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