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54 minutes ago, stv said:
I think that's just about right why we should stay ,improve and not lumber the club with massive costs for a new site and stadium. We own the stadium ,a new stadium would be rented ,mortgaged or some daft lease back scheme where we would never actually own it. We would probably hve to call it, sponsors name,stadium as well .Putting us in a vurnable position in bad times. Stay and upgrade for me. The most cost effective and keep the legacy going.
Is it the most cost effective though?
The ongoing maintenance costs on a ageing stadium only ever go up.
The POD is creaking at present and will ultimately be followed by the other stands in the near future.
The current site also limits drastically our ability to monetise the stadium on a daily basis and grow our business in a way that would remove any annual shortfall without selling players.
Its not as simple as just not putting the club into debt.
We could play it safe and it would probably see us good in the medium term (beyond my lifetime for sure) but it would be nice to aspire to something more.
Regardless, isnt it a great debate to be having?
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Im hoping that even if we have to play one or two of the academy boys, then there should still be enough experience within the squad to see us over the line.
Its not like we havent had an entire season on Jensball to fall back on and the academy boys have now had en entire pre-season including games against 3 pretty tough opponents to bed them in.
I dont think it will be easy. Hanvar will be well organised and they are half way through their season, so likely to have more match sharpness, but we shouldnt be using any of that as an excuse.
Big home crowd for the first real game of the season. Lets make sure we help the boys get it over the line.
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11 minutes ago, Goggles & Flippers said:
I appreciate your reticence and there's a host of horror stories of a chairman's ego making a club homeless and a shiny new stadium hosting zero events and quickly turning into the set from the Last of Us (Darlington, Kassam Oxford).
I think we are unique in our league that two teams suck up so much support from the glory hunting/perpetuating the religious bullshit among our population. That also takes competitiveness and money from communities around the country which they go on to complain about.
To put it as simply as possible, for every 1,000 seats we make available to the OF multiplied how often we play them at home over two seasons being seven (six guaranteed and one normally post split, plus an odd cup tie) and an average ticket price £24 (£30 minus 20% VAT) over a 20 year mortgage is £1.7m before you factor inflation which would take it closer to £2m. Give the OF an extra 5,000 seats to add to the 4,800 they get already we've realised £10m in revenue.
Not only that the stadium would benefit from an uplift in home support due to the novelty factor of it being new.
McDiarmid Park makes something like £1.2m from non match day hospitality and function hire. It seems every funeral in Perth goes back there for their sausage rolls and cakes. Even if we realise half of that on top of what we currently pull in, that's massive. Matchday hospitality would go up two or threefold with a modern offering.
You mention the office space, covid allowed for a lot more home working and while there's still a need for it, it's not as essential as it was before. However, you then have to make the office space you do have and what if offers unique and a reason to seek it out. Having an incubator space where small startups can feed off each other and cross pollinate seems to me to be something that would give you an edge over an empty box at the foot of Airbles Road.
You tap into every resource and grant going, local and national and pan UK. You sell the NLC the residents around FP moaning less, you offer a solution to their concert hall conundrum and you offer an anchor project to stimulate the Ravenscraig site.
For me to be truly unique you need to push the boat out yet always have doing it cost effectively at the heart of it. I'd have it only the second covered grass football pitch in the UK (Millenium Stadium), I'd have that pitch removable so the space can be used for all sorts of events. I'd specify agricultural/industrial design and materials but do it in a way that's it's celebrated. I'd make the site one large power generator, ground source bored hot water to solar and have it export energy. Of course each one of the makes the price increase due to their perceived complexity but if done right and properly researched it can be done for much less than some think.
Sounds fantastic.
But much like last season, we are programmed to believe we cant have nice shiny things.
And even if we do, we dont get to keep them long.
Id love this to be the exception.....
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Just now, FirParkCornerExile said:
so you'd put vitually every penny we have as a deposit.
It wouldnt be every penny we have.
If Just goes thru at £5m and Maswanhise similar, we are sitting on nearly £13m.
With large a chunk of the Miller money still to be banked (albeit some of it ringfenced for the training facility) this is probably as good a time as any to bite the bullet.
Im not saying Im 100% in on a new stadium, but it would be the best way to look to the future.
We can stay at Fir Park and build a new POD and that will tide us over for a while. But it limits our options footprint wise and doesnt take into account the need to improve the rest of the stadium at some point in the future.
That might be the safer way to proceed, and Im not against it either, but I think we need to think very carefully about this.
Its a hugely significant moment in time for the club.
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1 hour ago, Spiderpig said:
Wilson is not up to the standard we need , hes too slow, and his final ball is average at best he struggled for game time on loan last season and i cant see him getting much game time this year as well.
Would need to see what kind of shape he was in and if his year on loan had improved him any. But I agree that on previous perfomances its probably not gonna happen for him with us.
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8 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:
A £20 million pound loan to build a stadium in the UK over 30 years would cost between £1.45 million to £2 million pounds a year to finance., Utter fantasy that we could afford that. Clubs out with Rangers and Celtic would get around £100,000 a year for naming rights.
If we put down a £10m deposit we only need to borrow £10m.
Sell Maswanhise and we are in the ballpark.
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On the face if it another good signing.
Good youth pedigree, over 60 senior appearances, right age to develop and maximise sell on value.
Hopefully he has the ability to back it up.
Also in a position we have needed cover for, for some time.
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24 minutes ago, stv said:
These others will not have Motherwell FC at the heart of any decision making. Self interest and making money is the whole story. The Americans,for example that have put money into Scottish Clubs will pull the plug when they have made enough money or lost enough of it. The Clubs are just a vehicle to making money. Staying at FP means we won't owe or answer to anyone.
Dont think we need to owe anyone or answer to anyone (other than the bank) if we move to Ravenscraig. But we will need the co-operation of the local authority and other partner agencies if we are building new.
Clearly a new purpose built stadium to see us into the future would be beneficial for all sorts of reasons, but it doesnt necessarily mean it is going to happen.
One of the biggest obstructions is that local authoritues dont have any money for redevelopment of town centres and with the hit to the high street after Covid, Im not sure a new shopping/leisure development is even feasible anymore.
It might be that remaining at Fir Park is the only feasible option right now.
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I think thats the minimum allocation as required by UEFA.
Hopefully the club can negotiate enough to fulfill demand.
I see the club are advertising dates TBC.
Does who beats who decide the seeding? It all seems a bit mental having the draw before tge games are played, if it doesnt benefit by way of planning & preparation.
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Quite like to get Helsinki.
Never been to Finland. Think it would be a cool trip.
Looks like we will have the choice of a winnable tie with poor away allocation.
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A harder tie with better away allocation.
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29 minutes ago, wellup83 said:
Demolish and rebuild the POD with something along the lines of the main stand at Tynecastle. It won't even have to be as tall as the existing and can also remain at the same length avoiding the need to purchase neighbouring properties. Imagine a beautiful glass facade with a nice hospitality lounge within, decorated with fresh tribute to our beloved number 10.
We could build the end bit in glass to avoid blocking out the light!
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I think there are pro's & cons to both scenarios.
My only pre-requisite is, that whatever option is chosen, we do it well and end up with something we can be proud of, that generates the club money rather than take it out.
My gut feeling is though, that working with multi-agency partners over at Ravenscraig might not be as straightforward as we would like it to be.
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27 minutes ago, wellsince75 said:
Thanks - seems like the majority of experienced players are struggling but wasn't sure if some weren't playing as leaving.
All feels a bit discombobulated at the moment.
Aye.
Comms from the club havent been great during pre-season.
Of course some things need to be kept under wraps, like transfer negotiations etc, but simple things like who is fit and who isnt should be fairly straightforward.
Also with the World Cup and everything else going on, media focus is elsewhere.
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56 minutes ago, wellsince75 said:
Where is AP ?
I know many people don’t want him back etc but given he is back - why wasn’t he in the squad the other night ?
Has a calf strain apparently.
Likely to be out another week at least.
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59 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:
I just wonder how the "upgrading" to seating in the POD fits in with our long term stadium plans. Its been quite some time now since the Directors announced that they had commissioned, and received, a consultants' report on the pros and cons of moving to a new stadium. No doubt they have now digested and considered the contents.
Clearly the current replacement of seats is a sticking plaster job, unfortunately literally, as well as metaphorically. From early fan feedback it seems to have been mishandled in term of comfort and practicalities. I just wonder why this wasn't carried out a wee bit earlier? From online comments, it seems that our home capacity is being cut to around 7,500, if my understanding is correct. In saying that, I don't know if we can use the South Stand for home fans. If our crowd is limited then it could cost us some income over 1, hopefully 2 or more Euro games. Well into 5 figures in total. Presumably the project will be completed by our first home league game against Falkirk?
Looking at the big picture, I do wonder if the POD will be replaced, as opposed to relocating to a new stadium. If so, the current seating "upgrade" looks like a budget, but still expensive, emergency measure to keep the POD on life support.
A wee bit more transparency on this issue would have been welcome a month or two ago. Maybe when our European spot, and seating implications were confirmed? Better late than never though.
I agree.
I dont think fans need a lot of information. But something along the lines of "the club have received these reports and it will take some time to digest the information contained. Meanwhile we will embark on a process to replace the seats in the POD to ensure we can continue to use it for UCL games. The work is scheduled for.....and is due for completion by......"
Silence just allows fans to fill the blanks for themselves.
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1 hour ago, texanwellfan said:
2M in the bank and we already have his replacement in Priestman
Not sure he is a direct replacement, but we have seen Oscar and Fadinger play very well together at the base of the midfield, so it is at least a known quantity.
We probably still need a back up in there for injuries and suspensions, but that could well be one of our academy players as there certainly seems to be a huge emphasis on youth development coming through the clubs communications this season, whether it be talking about the manager or just the squad in general.
Id still like a Watt replacement though as last season all 3 got plenty minutes.
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58 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:
Arguably, the most interesting aspect of tonight's bounce game, apart from the new players, are the starting and finishing line ups. They should give us an insight into our new manager's thinking and the health of our squad.
Agreed.
Result not that important tonight.
Performance related to availability and fitness of players will be far more illuminating.
Hopefully we dont get a doing and some of the new signings are available to bolster what might be a threabare squad.
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Its hard not to think that there is more at play here when the punishments applied are clearly excessive.
Neither the club nor Elliot Watt have questioned the integrity of the match officials, well maybe the club inferred it with the photo of Beaton & McGregor, but its not the most blatant example Ive seen/heard.
Of course, we will take it more personally as its our club that is invovled, but it appears most fans of most other clubs agree, if the views expressed on P&B are anything to go by.
Again, I will await the punishment of McInnes with interest.
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€2m is a decent fee I guess.
Be interested to see what the "signing bonus" is? Never heard of that before.
Hopefully we now have more players incoming.
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McInnes ban should be longer than Watts (albeit I wholeheartedly disagree with Watts punishment.)
His language was stronger, he inferred foul play, even if he didnt say it implicitly, and it was in reference to a game neither he nor his team were involved in.
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17 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said:
JWFC, totally agree mate.
weeyin, normally I’d agree with you also but even by their lazy/low journalism standards, for them to pick the low figure - one that I’ve not seen mentioned - for a player who is widely regarded to have been one of the best midfielders in the league last season is strange.
Maybe the source likes succulent lamb and his benefactor has a vested interest in keeping the price down! 😍😍😍
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13 minutes ago, Stuwell2 said:
Guy at work says the scum is reporting that we’ve knock back a bid of £1m for Watt. We’ve been hearing that we’ve knocked back bids of £1.7m for him so where do they get their low figure?
Can we now expect them and other Scottish media outlets and pundits to be saying that one of the arse cheeks has offered £1.5m and we should take it?Scottish newspapers generally have no clue what we are up to these days. Its quite refreshing, even if it is a little frustrating waiting on any real news about our ins & outs......
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13 hours ago, wellfan said:
I wasn’t thinking like this a week or two ago, but the negativity has started to creep in because of the lack of signings, the pre-season starting XIs, and reports of yet more injuries adding to our ever-increasing list of crocks and duds.
If we go out of the UCL to HB without so much as a whimper, I’d say it’s game over for AJ before the league season has even started. It might not be entirely his fault, but the buck will stop with him. A defeat like that would be terminal, just as it was for Alexander after Sligo.
That said, a busy week in the transfer market, both in and out, could quickly change the mood. The concern is that, even if it does, it’ll still leave little time for AJ to get his preferred XI ready for next Thursday.
We had nearly 2 years of Alexanderball before Sligo, so I dont think quite the same thing. But would be a horrendous start nonetheless.....
Away kit
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The kit is a winner.
Much better than the home effort.
Would happily watch us wearing that in every game this season!