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15 hours ago, texanwellfan said:
Not sure we are leaping to defense of our player. Most well fans were not pleased With Slattery
I think we are all up in arms regarding the OTT response from authorities. Or should I say inconsistent response.
there should be a boatload of these retroactive punishments for simulation. I’d expect to see it every week.
I didnt mean defending his actions. Maybe I should have said "raising concerns regarding the level of punishment and its implications for the wider game......"
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2 hours ago, Mad Dog said:
So, no Slattery. Do we go with Fadi, Oscar and Watt or give McGhee / Nicholson a start?
I think Oscar deserves a start, but Nicholson is probably more like Slattery from a style/creativity point of view.
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2 hours ago, weeyin said:
We're back to not being able to hold more than one opinion at a time here.
Slattery was wrong.
The Ref and Referee's assistant were both wrong to send off King.
VAR was wrong to not review the red card (like they had already done for Gogic)
The SFA was wrong for waiting 4 weeks and choosing to re-referee 3 different individuals' decisions.
Do you think they'll go back now and give us our penalty at Ibrox or give Oxlade-Chamberlain a red?
If a player dives to get a penalty, will they now be subject to a 4 week suspension? If not, why not? That has a direct impact games.
What about feigning head injuries to waste time with stoppages?
Exactly this.
Diving to gain a penalty is cheating and gains an advantage for your team.
I dont see the difference, but it happens all the time (including by our players).
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2 hours ago, dennyc said:
It has not been made up on the hoof. Walker of Hearts and Shalke of Ross County both received two match bans for cheating. Ironically one of the games Shalke sat out was against us. No mention before of suspended bans though so that is new.
For the conspiracy theorists, both those bans were after restospective charges were brought following games against Celtic. Meekins of Inverness did have such a ban overturned on appeal. He was also cited after a match v Celtic. He would have missed a Cup Final had the decision been upheld. After the Compliance Officer was accused of having links to Celtic such citations suddenly stopped. Until now it seems. Again. all before VAR was introduced to assist referees who got it wrong on first viewing.
If its not being made up on the hoof, Id love to see the regulations outlining the wording of the offence and what the penalty should be.
As others have said. We have VAR now. The red card should never have been given and if they send the ref to the monitor, Slattery gets a yellow.
The fact they f#cked up and we have a player with 2+2 game suspension is ridiculous.
The club dealt with Slattery internally, so this just feels pretty harsh.
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1 hour ago, Ya Bezzer! said:
Deliberately feigning injury to get a player sent off should be a red card offence.
Referees might be incompetent and VAR might be a shambles but I doubt they are actively cheating like Slattery was.
Trying to twist the incident so that the SFA is at fault is ridiculous.
Our player cheated, got caught and is now being rightly punished.
Let it be a lesson to others, Motherwell players or otherwise that that kind of blatant cheating is totally unacceptable.
And BTW the sort of pathetic paranoia that 'it wouldn't happen to this team or that team ' is exactly the same justification the Old Firm use all the time.
Take some ownership.
Bit of a strange take.
You say it "should be a red card offence", I agree, only it isnt at the moment.
As someone, who openly criticised Slattery at the time and was embarassed by his actions, I have no issue with him being retrospectively punished.
But the punishment has to fit the crime, and shouldnt just be made up on the hoof to make an example out of someone retrospectively.
If that had happened no one would really argue, but this seems unfair and OTT, so no surprise some of our fans are leaping to the defence of our player.
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21 minutes ago, thewelllfan said:
I might be in the minority but I wouldn't give JK another contract we have SOD and Sparrow to play RB and both are already contracted as well as McGhee who can play there.
For next season in Europe we're going to need a squad of 25 including academy players.
The Squad should look like :-
GK - Ward, Connolly, Academy GK
RB - SOD, Sparrow
CB - McGinn, McGhee, 2x New CB
LB - Longelo, Wilson
CM - Watt, Preistman, Fadinger, Whyte
RW - Said, New RW
AM - Just, New AM (If Just leaves 2x AMF)
LW - RCC, New LW
ST- Bjorgolfsson, Hendry, New ST
For Europe that gives us 4 Club trained - Wilson, Whyte, Connolly, Academy GK/Can also be Luca Ross
8 HG - Wilson, Whyte, Connolly, Academy GK/Can also be Luca Ross, McGinn, McGhee, SOD, Hendry
That would mean the other signings don't have to be Scottish in order to make the Quota numbers.
The above layout assumes - (Maswanhise is sold, Welsh goes back to Celtic, Slattery, JK, Gordon, Balmer, Halliday, Robinson, Nicholson all leave at end of their deal.)
Id rather have Luca Ross at LB than Ewan Wilson. Decent lad, but he doesnt have what it takes for the top level or he would be smashing it out the park at Raith Rovers, and he isnt.
Koutroumbis is a better RB than Sparrow and he is definitely a better LB.
I get that he is the one out of contract and could be the makeweight to freshen up the squad, but you just need to look at what happened with injuries and suspensions this season to see tge value of versatile players.
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17 minutes ago, weeyin said:
I think the problem was he didn't fit Kettlewell's style.
Although, tbf, there were people who kept trying to convince me Casey was a good defender.
The issue for me was that Kettlewell signed him and then froze him out.
If he didnt fit his style, why sign him?
Quite baffling behaviour.
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3 hours ago, bobbybingo said:
If the team can have a collective off-day and still not lose, we're doing not too bad.
I think everyone needs a wee break, not just the players. There seemed to be a collective anxiety around the place on Saturday, with the prospect of losing a third consecutive game at the end of a fortnight that kicked-off with such high hopes and expectations. Maybe a mental reset is needed before the run-in, just as much as a physical rest.
I think you are right.
I didnt really think we were in with a genuine chance of winning the title, but just talking about the possibility and thinking about whether I could handle that had me quite emotional.
Saturday, I was just fully focussed on 4th place, so there was a nervousness attached to that as well.
All compounded by the fact you could see Hibs were forcing us wide and instead of bringing Eythor on to attack crosses we continued to play through the middle.
The Scotland games will be a welcome diversion for the next 10 days or so.
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Suggestion from the Zimbabwe fans on the clubs socials that all the European based players are out in solidarity with Marshall Munetsi who has been snubbed by the current manager. No idea if there is any truth in that or not. Seems unlikely......
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10 minutes ago, gaz7 said:
I feel with some saying other teams have sussed us out is very premature.
What about us sussing other teams out as Hibs who are our nearest challengers were reduced to not able to do very much against us.
With 2 weeks to prepare against a falkirk team that have been sussed out i am sure another victory will be provided.
We are disappointed because we never got to previous levels but it is very small margins and if offside goal stands a totally different outcome.
I think the way we play it also comes down to small margins a lot of the time.
We play quite a high risk possession game where a lot of our passes are in tight areas. If thats a little bit off, as it was on Saturday, the number of turnovers is higher and it becomes more difficult to build momentum and pressure.
Personnel is also important. Hibs played a narrow mid block forcing us wide. That only worked well because Longelo and Koutroumbis were both out forcing us to play Sparrow on the left.
Hopefully with 2 weeks rest, Longelo back, 2 weeks more growth on the pitch and 2 weeks to work on tactical options, we will be in a better place for Falkirk.
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11 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:
It transpires that Elijah Just suffered a bloody nose when he was injured yesterday. Surely that constitutes a head knock? All the odder therefore that David Dickinson ignored him for quite some time.
Just one of many things he got wrong on Saturday.
Dont know if it is just me, but he also comes across as quite arrogant when dealing with the players.
Probably my least favourite Scottish referee, which is saying something given the very low bar!
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15 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:
A fair summing up Joe. I thought JBA made some mistakes today with his line up and appraoch. It looked to be an overly cautious approach designed to ensure we didn't lose. Longelo was a huge loss, the midfield looked congested and we lacked venom up front. The early plan of shelling long balls over the top for JT to run onto was fine in theory but the execution was very poor and was rightly stopped. For most of the game we lacked any penetration up front and Hibs were happy to soak it up and their keeper was larlely unemployed. Ward was slightly busier but again didn't have much to do. Not sure why Priestman was taken off as he was our most industrious midfielder. I thought we were too late in making changes. Our chalked off goal was very tight and certainly not clear or obvious.
Thought David Dickinson had a poor game. Both Cadden and Suto were very lucky to escape 2 yellow cards each with the latter being substituted to save him. In my view, if you lift your hands to someone. Not quite sure how the 4 minus additional time was calculated. 7 second half subs @ 30 seconds each; blatant timewasting and several 2 protracted injuries.
Overall, 2 points dropped. A slight blip is now gradually turning into a bit of slump. Other teams seem to have sussed us out. A change in plan now required for remaining games? Some positives though: another shut out and a 9,300 attendance.
2 asides. The media now needs to starts to start calling out cynical thuggery when teams target Eli Just (but it won't for fear of offending old boys) and the POD was an accident waiting to happen at half time (queues down the stairs for the kiosk, those wanting to visit hospitlaity and those wanting the toilet).
Just certainly does appear to being singled out for "special treatment" the referees should be doing more to protect him. If they dont, guys like Said will end up getting booked or sent off trying defend their team mate.
Dickinson is a really poor referee which, given the pool he swims in, is really saying something.....
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7 hours ago, thewelllfan said:
I just think our whole selling point to players is come showcase your talent and if the interest is there and the fees right. They move on.
We could very easily be without a variation of JBA, Just, Maswanhise, Longelo, Watt, Fadinger, Slattery, Longelo, Ward I suspect they'll all attract interest elsewhere.
It absolutely IS our selling point.
But that doesnt mean we have to sell all our good players at the one time.
They all signed contracts they were happy with.
The club wont stand in their way, but we WILL manage the squad to ensure we remain competitive.
The manager said as much the other day.
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Priestman for me.
Should never have been subbed as Fadinger and Watt both had off games.
Hope Jens isnt doing the seniority thing. That only works up to a point.
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2 week break to re-charge the batteries and think up new strategies.
Just and Maswanhise being away will hamper preparations and maybe rule them out of this one, depending on how much gametime they get and flights back.
Could do with Koutroumbis and Longelo being back.
Falkirk losing again today keeps them off our tails, but we could do with 3 points when we are off to Tynecastle before the split.
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Thought we were decent enough first half without being exceptional. The offside goal.was hard to take but the right decision and we didnt carve out any other clear cut chances.
Second half, the drop off.was considerable and probably the poorest half since Falkirk at home.
Thought Fadinger looked outnof sorts today, not sure if it was the mask/sun giving him problems but he wasnt his usual self.
I thought subbing Priestman was a mistake as he was having a much better game and we looked worse after he went off.
Too many stray passes, although Hibs press caused us problems and closed off a lot of space, which slowed us down and caused us to go backwards.
Nice to get the clean sheet and maintain our unbeaten run at home, but it feels like 2 points dropped and Jens is gonna have to think up a new plan as teams have started to get organised around what we do.
We may not lose many more games, but at the moment its hard to see where we win one.
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57 minutes ago, Kmcalpin said:
Pretty much agree with that although I'd also try to move Callum Hendry on , if at all possible. Jordan McGhee seems to be out of favour and I wouldn't be surprised if we try to move him on. .
Aye, didnt really look at those still in contract that we might like to move on. Stama being another one, but Ive already mentally got him being a Sydney player next season.
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Only got round to watching this last night as there was hee haw on the tv.
Im acually raging about the tackle on Just by Oxlade - Chamberlain now.
Never thought too much of it at the time and felt a yellow was probably about right, but when you see the pictures that were available to VAR and the intitial point of contact, I just cant fathom how they dont think thats a red card. Especially when Beaton tells them he has a mark on his shin!
Least said about the Gordon red card the better.
Totally pointless exercise now as they are just using the review to justify decisions and save face, rather than admit mistakes and actually improve the standard of officiating.
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9 hours ago, SteelmaninOZ said:
Absolutely fascinating podcast!
Stuart is a wealth of information on the rich history of our club and love the enthusiasm that both he and Nick have for The Trust.
Really looking forward to seeing the improvements around the stadium and hopefully, at some point, a museum!
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1 hour ago, bobbybingo said:
I think he gave his view on Hanley the last time Hibs were here.
And was pilloried for it by sections of our media!
Precious wee darlings!
😍😍😍
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3 hours ago, Motherwell Daft said:
I dont think the club would stand in the way of any of our sellable assets if a good offer came along, one who might also go is Ward, a keeper who's had 20 clean sheets is a rare commodity in any league.
Purely going on what Jens said yesterday.
They will NOT all be sold at the same time, as we want to maintain the integrity of the playing squad.
Makes sense. We are not just a money making machine. We are here to win football games.
We cant stand in any individual players way indefinitely, but if for example good offers come in for Maswanhise and one other, I can see us asking other players to be patient with us.
I wouldnt be too worried if Watt or Fadinger had to move on as the replacement is in the building, but I wouldnt be keen to let both move until further replacements had been sourced.
I think thats where we can be cute and time it to our advantage.
I dont see any last minute deals being done at the end of transfer windows without the ability to replace an outgoing player.
Just will be the problem. Where do you find a replacement for him?
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I think Maswanhise will be sold.
Welsh will go back to Celtic and be sold or put out on loan again. If we could get him back without breaking the bank great, but more likely we are looking at another player we can develop/sell on.
Of those OOC.
Gordon, Halliday, Robinson, Nicholson I would let go.
Koutroumbis and Slattery Id offer new deals, albeit Slattery will probably move on.
Just, Watt & Fadinger will all attract attention, so good to hear Jens say, they wont all be sold at the same time.
I think there has probably been a conversation with JT assuring him that we wont step in his way in the summer. The rest will depend on the bids received. But we are undoubtedly in the driving seat. Particularly if we get a good fee for JT.
Looking forward to a positive window with a net gain in cash and squad depth.
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Gonna be really interesting to see how Jens approaches this one. Obviously we have issues at full back with Longelo suspended and Koutroumbis injured.
I do wonder if we might go 3 at the back again with Sparrow and Luca Ross as wing backs?
Or will we see McGhee get a start?
If we go with wing backs do we play Eythor and get crosses into the box and give Hibs something different to think about?
Good to hear Just is fit and should start. Slattery has looked good the last few weeks so probably Said to drop out if we need to shake up the midfield.
Over to you Jens!
Motherwell v Falkirk 04/04/2026
in Club Chat
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I get that you are trying to beat the drum for impartiality and fairness and I commend you for it.
But we dont live in an ideal world.
We all know this.
So until we do, I think its fair enough to be annoyed.....