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I think you're right and that's the case now - but I don't think that's always been the case. Teams you would have expected to come straight back up haven't always done that in a season. I think Dundee Utd would have struggled a lot more if they hadn't had Moult (stating the absolute obvious here ). What I mean is at the start of the season fans were still calling for Goodwin to go and it took them a few games to get into their stride. I think they benefited from having several players who had played at a higher level. Watt Moult and a few others.

I think possibly that could be a factor. If you have an under performing defence and you offer all of them a contract bar one - you're basically singling one player out. And like I think you posted earlier - it's not just the defence that was at fault. Kelly was underperforming and at points the entire team was. You could see the confidence dip after the Celtic game in Sept. I think a lot of it is subjective as well. There are people who don't rate Casey (I like him) and people who do rate Bevis. I think the most important thing is that we get more signings in so that there's competition for places.

Yeah absolutely. Avoiding the drop is essential because the Championship isn't easy to get out of once a team is in it. Look at Accies since they got relegated.

When he's on his game he is good. But when he's not he's a bombscare. Anyone I've spoken to away from here over the last 24 hours -Mugabi is the name people are surprised over. However maybe Kettlewell didn't want to single him out given the rest of the defence were also poor for a lot of the season - not that I think that justifies a new contract offer.

It's for budget reasons we aim for tenth - planning for the lowest placing in the league. If you check the stats we've only made top six nine times out of the last twenty years. I believe we finished third under Robbo but also 9th 8th and 7th. I personally don't think we are in a slump. We've finished top six twice in the last ten years. We could have done a lot better this season obviously -next season will be an important one for Kettlewell, that's clear.

To be fair to Motherwell at this point in time few other spl teams have made a lot of signings. Id expect to see more activity obviously as the summer goes on. Loans or not. Plus at the moment we don't know if SOD or Mugabi will accept the new terms on offer. Was only rumour that Dundee utd were after Mugabi but if they offer him better wages then you'd expect him to take them.

I'd be surprised if Slattery has been offered pay as you play. There's zero security in that and I think he's a decent footballer who is worth a new contract. Someone said earlier that both McGinn and O'Donnell were offered a year and wanted two. Again I've no issue with O'Donnell being re signed whether that's coming off the bench or not. I agree re Ox and Kelly not being dropped. I do think there will be additions as well. Long way to go till the season starts. Just saw a short interview with Butcher after the St Johnstone game which the club have put on twitter and he said he's looking forward to see how Motherwell do next year - looks like he was wanting a move away.

Id rather see him go

Very good point.

I personally overthink in every aspect of my entire life. So I'm not going to overthink this. I don't think it's unreasonable to offer terms to players who have been with us a long time. I don't think it's unreasonable to offer Butcher terms either. I said several threads back that I thought he would be.. But theres been no official confirmation of this. Think it's the decent thing to do after the injury. Same with Slattery. The point is. We are a long way from August and I would expect to see a fair few changes between now and then.

I believe from previous posts Steelboy rates Mugabi. He's part of the same defence that other players are getting pelters for (even if it's deserved). We also surely have no control over what happens to Gent. That's up to the club he's contracted to. Surely it does come down to opinions? Some people rate Casey and Blaney and other people don't. I've seen people on twitter tonight saying they want Bevis signed back up ASAP.

The name calling isn't necessary in my view. We are a long way from August.

Id personally like to keep Casey. Not had the best season but you could say that about a few of them

Hardly think they are too feart given Obikas contract expires next week. Hallidays terms were all over social media. And McGinn being done is your opinion. You're completely entitled to it. I don't rate Mugabi. Other people do. It's about opinions

Some of our support rate Bevis. I'm not one of them but on reflection I'm not that surprised he's been offered terms (which is the opposite of what I thought an hour ago) 😂 The issue is he's not really progressed that much since he's been with us.

I would hope not tbh. Caldwell said the other day a number of offers have been made to players who don't play for us.

Hopefully we'll have some new signings in the mix as well so that folk have competition for places.

That's a bit too close to home pal

Was pretty well known to be fair that McGinn had been offered new terms - and some fans do rate him.

I think it's the right thing to do to offer Slattery new terms. I also did think they would offer Butcher something. If they did. As regards Ox I suppose if you are offered decent terms you'll take them - whether you are back up or not. Potentially he's not had any better offers. Butcher is leaving anyway. Mugabi is the one I'm surprised at tbh.

That's Kelly just thanked the club and fans on twitter.

I agree re the contract offer.

I actually thought Butcher would be offered new terms tbh. Club trying to do the decent thing after the injury situation

Davor called up by North Macedonia.

Tell me lies I like macaroni pies.. Is it only me that changes song lyrics to ridiculous ones? 🤣 (probably is the answer)