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That's the 'Joy Division was the name of prostitutes in concentration camps' angle. However, many army and SS units gave themselves dark epithets, of which the Joy Divison were but one.

I believe the Joy Division were a Waffen SS unit on the eastern front, who took macabre pleasure in their inhumanity towards the occupied Soviet population, hence the name. However, the group themselves were anything but Nazis, rather it was an acknowledgement of the terrible things people are capable of.

City fan, forget him

I thought there was going to be a tenuous link between Motherwell and Joy Division here, big yin

What kind of admission price, if any, would you be looking at to watch Motherwell reserves in 2009, and how many watch the game on average ?

Hardcore fans out there, show yourselves. How many of you guys go along to watch the reserves or perhaps even the under 19s etc ? This is for the real obsessives, I've never seen a reserve game in my life. Just wondering which, if any, saddos committed types do this.

Don't fight fire with fire. Insults about national stereotypes aren't much in the way of conversation. Shame the thread has descended to this. Don't think it will last much longer before being chopped.

Aye, yeez dinnae speak English at aw, big yin. I huv tae use the wife tae translate

An Albanian aware of the intricacies of the British vernacular e.g ginger and incapacity benefit.

Not really the way to carry on when you're a guest on another team's board. Might be an idea to partake in some reasonable conversation before you are booted off. I don't know whether you are Albanian or not, and I don't care, but at least bring something to the table other than this shite.

Surely this can't be true

We may be paupers but we have a team spirit. One day we'll be bigger than City.

Get along if you possibly can, all you good Lanarkshire folk. Tie in the balance and should be a good night

liviwell, have you considered introducing your boys to Manchester United ? We're not a big team like Motherwell, but every now and then we have a wee cup run to cheer us up. We need the support more than the mighty 'Well. Don't become just another glory hunter

What the feck were they doing there ??

For their own team, yes, but many of us like to watch other matches too, and it isn't cheap this day and age. There's also the point concerning the prohibitive for many of going to matches now.

You've certainly got your wingers playing out wide there, well fan. A traditionalist who likes to see the wide men hugging the touchline, I see Hawl, you've moved them infield. No width now

Open the windaes, that's a stinker.

I'm led to believe ESPN will be an additional £9 per month for those with Sky and £12 for those without. Of course, the hardest hit will be former Setanta only subscribers who want to see the full 60 SPL games, as they will need to begin both subscriptions. That's the trouble with these broadcast rights being sold to different providers due to E.U. competition laws. The public are then asked to fork out for subscriptions to a number of broadcasters and actually end up worse off.

Bit harsh, Wellarmy. Cakes only said he isn't confident, he didn't say it would stop him supporting the team. You can still scream your head off when not certain of victory.

Either somebody has spiked my cocoa, or this thread is mental. Not too long wait to find out who will take the bragging rights.

From a selfish point of view I'm pleased Sky have taken the SPL back. Setanta was poor and now I'll get the SPL for the same Sky subscription price. I still don't know how ESPN operate : free, subscription or PPV ?

Not surprised at all it wasn't on tv, but very surprised to hear it wasn't on the radio somewhere. That's a poor show.

You sure can. Just watch out for the away goal and the chances will come. I think you have a real opportunity here.

I'm only just home. Match summary, guys, ta.