stuwell
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1 hour ago, Wellfan1984 said:
That's a little harsh. He left them on 22 August...
My mistake, although he made such an impact at Rangers I’d forgot he was there.
Old age doesn’t come alone
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The guy was offered a contract months ago which was within out budget but he refused it so not much else the club could do.
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Signing Lafferty could be a mistake, high earner with little sell on value, hit headed at times and didn’t standout at Hearts last season.
Money could be better spent I think.
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2 hours ago, Al B said:
What do we do when the senior players that we hope to renew, demand 3k a week as well because they know we have 3 guys being paid that? Just direct the calls to you aye?
And if we find out one of those players isn't cutting it and we're stuck paying them 3k a week for 3 years to sit on the bench, will you post again and tell us what to do?
If there are 3 players not taking money out of the player budget then there is scope to increase other players wages. Also if the team is performing better the other players will get more money in win bonuses and finishing positions.
I don’t have all the answers but I do believe that we must look at different ways to maximise our cash.
Additionally I would like to think that the club could use some of the money to tie down some of our youths on longer contracts and point to this and say we want you guys to be taking these players places in a couple of years do go prove you’re worth it.
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2 hours ago, Kmcalpin said:
Now that our outstanding debt to John Boyle and Les Hutchison is about to be paid off, all being well, any Society monies raised can now be invested 100% in the club itself whether it be to improve facilities for fans; invest in the Academy, or to modestly add to the playing budget. Its all a balancing act of course.
I’d rather the Well society money was split between the academy and building up capital savings for any unforeseen problem.
The club should be able to run at a slightly higher level now that any transfer fee will go solely into the club.
As ive said previously I’d like the club to set up a fund to pay for a couple of players with any transfer money from these players being split - say 60:40 between the club and the fund after the money payed in wages to the player goes back into the fund.
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sign player on £3K per week on a 3 year deal
If we sell the player after 18 to 24 months we would need to sell for a minimum £225K to £300K to brake even.
Anything extra is then split between club and fund.
Fund uses money on new player and we start again.
If we can afford to do this for 3 players on an ongoing basis and we make a profit on one player, break even on a second player and make a 50% loss on the third it’s not impossible that the fund could slowly grow.
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Melvin, Maybe the clubs holding off until they see how much they have to spend on better class players
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1 hour ago, steelboy said:
Good to see that Lawell decides how the Well Society operates.
Steelboy, as you fine well know, the society does not deal with the day to day running of the club as that is the job of the board. So Lawell or any other person/club asking for confidentiality has no say in how the society operates. If I’m wrong please enlighten me to the truth.
Every post from you is either negative and or mostly wrong or a twisted version of the truth but I’m sure you know that when posting.
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3 minutes ago, Well Well said:
Saw a tweet from someone it was around the £200k mark
Seems a bit low for the time he’s been with us. Unless they have put in a sell on clause as compensation.
If true then how low will Hastie’s be?
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30 minutes ago, GregyScotland said:
Don't the club already own the houses on Fir Park Street that were objecting to full construction back in the day?
Think they did, at one point they were the club offices but I believe they were sold back in the ‘90’s or early 2000’s
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Not a great fan of loan deals but the three players mentioned will improve whatever team they get loaned out to which will make them harder to beat, so in that respect I’d rather have one of them in our team while our youth develop than have them lining up against us.
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Rumoured 10K per week 4 year deal.
If he stays he can’t be pissed off with Motherwell as - allegedly - when the price in his contract was reached he was allowed to talk to the club that made the offer, he or his agent knocked it back so he’s no reason to upset.
Personally I think that if he stays he will only increase his value which should benefit the club long term.
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42 minutes ago, superward said:
Morgan or Johnstone is what the press are reporting.
In general terms, not specific to those two names, I'm not a huge fan of loans from other teams in the league (no matter who the team are) if its purely to send back and stops our youth coming through. On the other hand if it's a good player and we have no one better or ready in said position then I'd maybe be tempted.
Agree with you that we should only take a player if they are a good player and our youngest’s are not ready yet - which I think maybe the case or we would have seen them on the bench and getting game time towards the end of last season.
someone like Johnston as a 1 year gap filler surely is better than some journeyman who might or might not be good enough.
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1 hour ago, DEWELL said:
Agree with most of the posts on here about the POD where i sit. It seriously need a lot of work done on it. New seating for a start. To knock it down and rebuild it would be 5mill plus. We dont have that kind of money but 1mill to do serious upgrade we can and need to.
I’d rather stay in my current seat and see what a £1M upgrade can pay for on the park.
Tie down a few of the younger players on decent long term deals and buy one or two more proven players with potential.
Agree about upgrade but think it could be done in a couple of years with cash from further sales.
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If some of the cash is used to resign Gorrin, Ariyibi and a proven striker. Plus tie down the likes of McAlear then it’s money’s well spent that could see us move forward and pay dividends in the future.
Bottom line is the long term future of the club must come first and unless one of us has a spare £2M to give the club to keep DT and buy the said players then we have to sell to the team willing to pay the asking price.
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4 minutes ago, steelboy said:
The club would't have made a statement if it wasn't a done deal. All the stuff last week and tonight is just the process being stage managed to try and keep the more gullible fans onside.
Thank fuck we have a wise sage like you to keep us informed of the “truth”.
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7 minutes ago, steelboy said:
Not a single person has mentioned a release clause in the five months since he signed the deal but Burrows comes under a bit of criticism and it's suddenly a sycophant talking point.
You’re either being extremely naive or down right awkward to suggest that there won’t be a release clause in the contract
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1 minute ago, Stonehaven'Well said:
The problem is we don't know what the fee is, we don't know if there are sell on clauses, we don't know if there was a clause in DT's contract that forced MFC, we don't know what money will be spent on the team / facilities etc. The animosity is all about lack of transparency.
What I ask for is a full statement.
No doubt we will find all that out eventually once/if the deal is done
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2 minutes ago, wellowell said:
The more I think about this the more I hope Burrows is playing a blinder . We want £3 million so if we say that to everyone then we must accept any bids at that amount . Celtic do it and right away he announces it before Turnbull gets involved , if he waited till after could have been done and dusted .If there is any other teams genuinely interested they will come in and match offer then it’s up to Turnbull to decide , if no one comes in then we get the price we wanted anyway and will be the most we could have got as nobody else would have matched the 3 mil . Can only hope but until he’s signed on dotted line I won’t be giving up on a better outcome .
Agree with this. It’s very unlike Motherwell to announce thing publicly before it’s a done deal.
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Better be some fucking deal that no one else would match
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If the price is right then it should be up to DT if he wants to move.
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As we’re not sure how much we could get for him it’s a bit hypothetical but if we take the top figure being quoted of £4M (and I’m not sure how much tax would be liable so I will leave that out) then id like the following option to be considered.
Repayment of debt. If I recall correctly then 40% of transfer fees goes to LH & JB, so £1.6M - this should clear or all but clear that off.
Of the £2.4M left £1M goes to the club for upkeep and other sundries.
With the remaining money I’d set up a fund to be used over 3 to 5 years to be used to pay higher wages to 3 players - ie Alex Rodriguez Gorin - that we can sell on. So for talking sake if we say 2 players on 3K and one on 2K a week that works out at just over £400K a year.
On selling the player, the fund would get back the amount that it has paid out in wages to that player followed by 40% of the remainder with the club receiving the other 60%. The same % cut would also go for any further fees received for the player in add ons / sell on clauses
This could not only see the fund continuing longer but also potential growing - although we would have to take into account the fact that not all will prove successful but better quality signing should increase the chances.
with the fund paying 3 players wages then the existing squad budget can be split between fewer players leading to a modest increase in wages to some others.
If it’s done on a 3 year rolling cycle we could identify the next youngsters and encourage them to aim to be here on decent wages for longer.
If this works then the Well society’s cash can be used more for academy development & crowd development rather that the day to day running of the club.
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19 minutes ago, weeyin said:
The Herald has been running a series of articles on the top 10 young Scottish players. There are some great stats in there, and Turnbull has been ranked number one.
A few highlights:
- He has scored twice as many goals as he reasonably ought to have, based on the quality of the chances presented to him.
- He's scored the most goals in the league from outside the box
- He is the most accurate player in the Premiership, with more than half of his shots hitting the target
Full article is available here.
Read that earlier - great piece well worth reading
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14 minutes ago, ankles said:
I think if we do sell Turnbull to Celtic then i'll be done with the fitba regardless of the fee. This is not a knee jerk reaction but more of a sick of the same old pish for the last 50 years. it'll be like the SFA giving McLeish the Scotland job. Nothing's changed and never will . It's not the selling or the fee that matters most to me but who we sell him to . If Hastie had left for any other club bar Rangers or Celtic our support would have just shrugged their shoulders and went " that's pish" but going to one of those two is not on for all the reasons we know too well. I am not going to spend my time and money watching Turnbull rattling 12 goals a season into us. We stood up to Rangers when they fucked us over in the Play off ticket allocation , we've papped their scummy fans out the Main Stand, now its time to stand up to Celtic and their money. Let's see if a fan based club can do what's best for the fans again.
Yer getting yer knickers in a twist over something that is very unlikely to happen - go lie down
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He will get more caps than them in the long run.
The 'Magnificent' David Turnbull Discussion Thread
in Club Chat
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Tell him most of us didn’t know David Turnbull this time last year so go see who the next one is.
We have Scott, Semple, McGuire, Brown, Livinstone, Gordon & Morrison among others all ready to break through and that’s without any signings we’ve still to make.