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nope he will start same team as saturday, with hutch in middle in place of cummins....Have we got kerr on a loan deal yet? 2 up top and a 3-1 win at home for us

try this site mate...they put together itenaries for athens http://www.greece-travel.gr/_vti_bin/shtml.exe/contact.htm

you might want to check about rail travel in greece...a few weeks back when i was trying to look at the travel pass thru europe they no longer included travel in greece because there was a problem with internal train system

does it not make it MORE unique by NOT having teh ooponent or date on it tho and , imo, the reason we have starte dselling so early is to try and ensure we dont fall into teh black hole that may be round teh corner and , possibly, to give the gaffer some limitted funds to add to teh squad...altho tbh i doubt that unless its faddy

i'm away

they are, dates and opponent open tho

our first ever CL gam at the 'ark is bigger than any cup final imo

how much were teh cup final tickets? surely our first ever home CL game is worth as much as that and will bring some fans out the woodwork?

asked about that at the office. they are 99% sure it will be fenerbache

:drinks:home leg tickets now available for society members or season tiicket holders till, friday i think it was, before general sale...prices £30 and £15

or he was seriously peed off at some people assuming his complicity and guilt on the sfl proposals that he just thought feck it

maybe it would be the right time for someone to start up a division 1 legal fund to help the smaller clubs fight this in court if its needed

i am happy to give the club the benefit of the doubt , for now, altho an official statement would be good i still believe in the principle of innocent until proven guilty, altho i am back to looking at going to the away euro leg rather than using the money to get society membership like i had planned to...so maybe i am not so certain in innocent until proven guilty as i thought i was

you might be right mate but that is just a possible idea to come out of the think tank that whoever released the statement wanted to highlight, in fact the media have used it as headlines even tho it is mentioned as "could "at any time thru teh actual statement rather than would If they tried to push it thru this summer, without teh backing of the top 1st division clubs do you honestly believethat the clubs would not seek legal action to prevent it happining this year...is it 4-6 weeks till start of the first division now?

i agree with you in part jay, altho no doubt no matter how any statement is worded some people would still try and pick holes in it so, like the vote, the club is damned if they do and damned if they dont imo

ian you know i'm a happy clappy mate. I simply dont buy into our club being part of it until someone can show me some actual proof that we were. and i still think that if enough teams from div 1 ,2+3 say no then doncaster can say /threaten what the feck he wants it will be a No. and if they try to impose it they will end up in court with no spl/spl2 games this coming season But either way our club did what we wanted. To now change the goalposts and make out taht this paln was already in place when they did, even tho that is purely conjecture from all, is simply a step too far for me until someone backs it with anything that says differently.

my eyes are open ta. all i see is a rehashed document rushed out to give the lower division clubs an idea of what POSSIBLE proposals there are and what they COULD mean in much the same way as our club gave us what facts they could. I see no threat of an SPL2, just a vague possibility. Do you honestly think that could be set up in time for the start of season 12/13 if any of teh clubs that would not be invited challenged it in court? SPL clubs can decide wot happens in their league...Our club gave the option to our fans...that is as much as our club can do...after that it is over tio teh clubs and fans of the lower divisions for them to make up their minds But sorry i dont jump on the guilty until proven innocent bandwagon that suits no-one but green and teh media imo

guilty until proven innocent so our OF led media come up with propoganda to sell papers and rangers season ticketys and we all jump to their tune cos it must be true...the media tell us so A statement from the SFL read: "The Scottish Football League can confirm that no agreement has been reached between the SFL and any other body regarding the position of Rangers Newco in the First Division. Consultation will continue to take place, primarily with our clubs, as previously advised."

or is that media spin and propoganda from Green???? i aint seen anything about the start up of an spl2 apart from a claim from the weegie media

some other "entertainment industries" are far worse mate. You book a London show cos they have a big star in it that you have always liked and when you turn up the big star is having a night off and its the unknown, but probably better, understudy that you have to watch having spent a fortune for the ticket

they do a global train pass, for europe, altho does not count for uk http://www.interrailnet.com/ if our second leg is away it might be worth it cos it could be usable for our next game cos 10 days travel within 22 days is £320 for adults so could cover the next round/europa

and some people say that debate nowadays is dead :wank:

there is much more need for a campaign to stop heavy handed stewards ruining our atmosphers imo

do you not think that some nu liebore activists have jumped on this as a way to try and return the central belt to them ( along with the opposition to any restraint on booze sales) ? just like the politicians that were invited to speak at teh celtic rally the other week in their attempt to kill the bill ? At least, after many years of neglect someone is trying to do something about teh cancer that is the OF. Unfortunately it is being written by non-football supporters for non football supporters and as such may be a bit heavy handed resulting in stupid examples that many can bring up that could, hypothetically if the bill was taken to extreme measures, kill all atmosphere at all grounds. However the heavy handedness is actually happening NOW, without this new bill. That , imo, is what people should be concentrating on. I simply find it strange that after a few years of laughing at teh orcs of ibrox, while a lot of us knew that something had to follow to be able to cover the "political" and "offensive" cr@p from the other @rse cheek, that we would all be hit. teh timing of this new campiagn is a few years late, imo, and is being used by some as a way to hit out at teh present govt rather than to bring to the attention, as if they dont already know, that heavy handed stewarding using teh existing legislation is CURRENTLY chasing fans from our game

[the problems at Aberdeen on saturday were because of stewards trying to use teh existing laws that everyone now seems to think are all we need for football? altho many can exagerate how the law can be ridiculous, if it was ever to be applied in the ways pointed out like every law taken to the extreme, but it could be something that may be used to get some of the cr@p out of it? we have had the existing laws for a while now....dont seem to have stopped the bigot bros up till now have they? I totally agree that a campaign to help get rid of the heavy handed stewards that we have seen for manay years now is needed, I find it strange that it is only now that people want to start it as a way to score points against our govt, who at least are trying to do something about the problems associated with the bigot bros as opposed to teh last lot who sat on their bungs and did nowt, and to stop any new law, when it is the existing failed ones that are letting stewards run rough shod over any fan that they feel big and clever enough to take on ????