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St Johnstone have already been sold in what looks to be a deal to carve up their valuable land between an American and the Browns.
Ross County are a village team and are only financially viable because they are a subsidiary of MacGregor's larger business.
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8 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:
Could you tell me which good level players you're referring to, leaving aside Van Veen, Johnston and the guys who are still here?
Goss, Cornelius, Furlong and Butcher before he got injured.
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1 hour ago, bobbybingo said:
If he brings in players who play at a consistent level, you're not going to like the level. Look around the league, even the top 2 can't buy consistently good players.
It was only 12 months ago that we had a team performing consistently with 9/10 outfield players at a good level plus a donkey target man.
If you look at the team on Saturday you could generously say 5 reach that standard. Maintaining the standards that we have set recently isn't an impossible task.
I understand why the club want to decieve the fans about how much money they spend and why Kettlewell lies and says making top 6 is punching well above our weight but I don't understand at all why supporters want to lower the bar so much.
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5 hours ago, David said:
The thing is, you're in the investment thread talking about how the Well Society has been a success. If you think the team as it is is "dog shit" then you're not going to be any happier next season or the season after if we remain as a fan-owned club.
Because we simply do not have the money to increase spending on players I don't think.
I don't think the budget is the problem. This season we had Lamie, McGinley, Maguire, Tierney, Butcher, Obika, Wilkinson, Shaw, Elliot, Souare, Mahon and Halliday contributing basically nothing. Our top earning players like Kelly, O'Donnell and McGinn kept two clean sheets all season. Slattery is another top earner who contributed nothing after the first international break. Nicholson is unfit and other than a flurry against Livi away added nothing.
Spittal will be away and it looks like Mugabi as well.
Tierney is the only one of those players under contract for next season. We probably have the biggest scope for a squad overhaul we've ever had this summer. If as rumoured we are going to sign Halliday despite the overwhelming evidence that his legs are gone then it's a bad omen that Kettlewell hasn't learned his lesson from Obika.
The budget available isn't in question for next season but we need the manager to prove he can bring in permanent signings who can play 30-40 games at a consistent level. Bair and Davor are the only two proper signings he's made who have had a positive impact and even then they are nowhere near consistent as well being technically limited.
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4 hours ago, David said:
Everything has been geared towards convincing fans that giving up majority control is the way forward. Which is fine, if that's what the majority eventually vote for then I hope it goes well.
I don't think it is fine.
McMahon is financing and producing videos promoting giving up fan ownership but is somehow still allowed to lead negotiations on behalf of the shareholders.
It's a clear conflict of interest.
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Just now, Stuwell2 said:
Agree that what’s been done is impressive but I have concerns - and I believe that most would agree - that we are not sustainable at the current level with what other clubs are spending.
What are the other clubs spending compared to us?
Last week you posted on the thread that our wage budget was £1.5m a year which is miles out. If you don't know what the Motherwell budget is how do you know what the other clubs are spending?
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4 hours ago, StAndrew7 said:
The chat I've heard is he's happy to stay and has a deal essentially agreed but not until he knows we're staying in the Premiership.
Even McGinn knows the team are dog shit.
I think they are the worst bunch of players we have had in a long time but there's still zero chance they are getting relegated now.
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20 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:
You're not seriously blaming this, or any other, Scottish government for the bigot brothers' inability to behave like rational human beings, are you?
There was a midweek Old Firm when Lennon and McCoist squared up and they had a debate about it in Holyrood. That doesn't happen in normal Parliaments.
Politicians here will take any chance to scapegoat football to deflect from how fucked the country is.
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1 hour ago, Spiderpig said:
That's because they only play each other twice in the English premiership, it's the same in Spain so no need for any jiggery pokerey with the fixtures required. As has been said only in Scotland with all the shite and nonsense that comes with the uglies.
Aye but they obviously plan them out to avoid having big fixtures at the end. You never see Man U vs Liverpool last game of the season.
The Scottish Government love using football to deflect from their failings so the SPFL are right to take every precaution. Don't forget that Sturgeon cancelled fixtures and threatened to shut football down because Aberdeen players went for a pint in a pub that was legally open or that Youssef reported Rangers players to Police Scotland on the basis of an obviously doctored video he saw on Twitter. Scotland doesn't have a normal government when it comes to football.
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17 hours ago, santheman said:
Only in Scotland.
Any other country it would be the showpiece winner takes all finale.
Really?
If you look at the EPL Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal were the three bookies favourites and the last match between them was two Saturdays ago. Man City have an extremely easy run in for their final 7 games.
I don't remember too many Spanish Classicos in April or May either.
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1 hour ago, weeyin said:
I've given up now on seeing full backs that can defend well, because that requirement has been eliminated from the modern game.
Gent and Spencer are better at every aspect of the game than SOD.
2 clean sheets in the last 36 matches. McGinn, O'Donnell and Kelly are senior players and need to carry the can.
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42 minutes ago, Mad Dog said:
You mean the Ash Taylor that left last season? Same goes for whoever mentioned Iacovitti.
Fair enough. I thought he was still at Killie when he was talking up Wilkinson last summer.
Big Rocky from yesterday is another unit that should be on the list. KVV as well.
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5 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said:
To be honest not too sure about some of the figures stated for players but that's how it works out.
We all know wee Dougie used to add a few inches on to his height!
Bevis is about 4 inches taller than Dan. Casey isn't quite 6 foot tall but he's a unit.
Bair isn't hugely tall either.
The list seems wrong without Idah, Goldson and Ash Taylor.
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19 minutes ago, FirParkCornerExile said:
Lennon Miller wont be with us next season, firstly we cant afford to let his contract run down to the end of 2025. Hes not going to sign another extension. I get the impression the one he did sign was similar to Turnbull to ensure we got some money for our investment. Id expect the club to cash in in the summer.
He's wasted playing Kettlewell's style of football anyway. For his own development he needs quality coaching.
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3 minutes ago, Spit_It_Out said:
It is what it is that poor spell we had for months right upto new year is what caused this it's a bit of a kick in the teeth how easy top 6 was get it was more than achievable in my eyes.
If Robinson hadn't put a hit out on Mika's knee we would have made it.
He's a scummy snake but he's good at it.
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31 minutes ago, Wee Dougie said:
they don't seem to get the Steelboy yir shite patter.
You can add in the penalty away to St Mirren and the second goal at Tynecastle to his list of recent cock ups. He's by far the worst for big mistakes out of all the outfield players.
Him and Kelly need to go.
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11 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:
Why 17?
We have played 17 league games at home.
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4 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:
The last three matches at Fir Park have been atrocious and that was the worst one by far.
4 wins from 17 in the league. We have two chances to improve that but I think it ties with the Admin season as a low at the moment
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4 minutes ago, Yoshi-1991 said:
Aye, O'Donnell has a stinker today, as he has most of the season. Occasionally has a good game but they are getting more more rare.
Shaw pulling level with the great Casagolda as biggest fraud to pull a wage from us.
People have been talking up O'Donnell. Against Livi he kicked it to no one and they broke and scored. At Ibrox he dived in and gave away a penalty. Versus St Mirren he was supposed to be marking Fraser who scored then today he kicks it to into the middle of the park to no one then 30 seconds later gives away a crazy penalty.
He's probably a top earner as well. Get shot.
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O'Donnell and Shaw. The story of our season.
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7 minutes ago, Spiderpig said:
Unfortunately what it does not give is the main problem for the club, ie a sufficiently large revenue stream to negate the need to seek outside investment.
I disagree.
I think our turnover, playing budget, stadium investment and net profit during fan ownership have been impressive.
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10 minutes ago, bobbybingo said:
If you want to continue with fan ownership, why are you so excited to see folk vote for a takeover you believe is inevitable - just so you can say, I was right?
I think fan ownership gives us stability.
In terms of the takeover I think it's pretty obvious that the Well Society has a cuckoo in the nest who has effectively taken over the Society with the intention of ending fan ownership. Right now we have Barmack doing a media campaign in favour of his proposal and absolutely no one speaking up for the Well Society keeping the majority control.
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17 hours ago, santheman said:
He said that he had been looking at various clubs here and in England before settling on Motherwell so he could probably have had the choice of several clubs to invest in without the fan ownership model to contend with so if he'd simply wanted to buy a club outright there are plenty he could have chosen before us.
He doesn't just want to buy a club though. He wants to buy a debt free club for free.
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I can't wait to see all "We'll never be asked to give up majority control" people switching to "well 35% is still a good shareholding" overnight.
It's a certainty.
New Investment Options
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The finances are fine. We have made a good profit during a difficult period.
To me it looks like the clique that have run the club in various guises for 20 years don't like the fact that the majority of the Well Society board are now supporters from the East Stand and decided they would rather privatise than see working class fans have a real say in how the club is run.