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  2. That is one cracking bench though.......plus Willy! 🤣🤣 ( only kidding Willy)
  3. Cant understand how RCC has kept his place and I am really not comfortable with Sparrow at right-back. Aberdeen big physical side so I would have had big jake at right back and Jamie KL in centre. Big Seb up top. In alfred we trust though so COYW
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  5. Excellent summary and not rambling at all. There are so many aspects involved it is hard not to end up with lengthy posts. I’ve picked out one area where I think I know the answer. And apologies if too lengthy. Re protection. Any loan monies the WS provides are secured by a first charge over Fir Park and are interest free so as not to burden the Club. . That places the Society ahead of other Creditors were disaster to strike. Tax Authorities might have a prior claim as they are a Law unto themselves. So any loan monies could eventually be returned to the Society subject to the amount being less than the sale price of Fir Park. In 2011 those returning monies were seen as a restart fund if it came to it. Please note, under normal circumstances there is no intention of ever seeking repayment of the Loan. It is simply in existence to protect Society monies as the Society indicated in their presentation. Last time I asked the WS and checked with Companies House, that Charge was still in place and covered all monies loaned to MFC by the Society. But that is certainly one point that needs confirmed beyond all doubt. The First Charge being granted to the Society also means external funding is not so easy to access. Lenders ( just like the Society) prefer to have Security in place., and be first in line. But given that the Society are the first in line, any new lender would have to accept being next in the queue. Or the Society would have to agree to step aside which would normally not be acceptable. It is done though if circumstances suit. So that situation can be a barrier to seeking finance elsewhere and anything agreed could be more costly than normal. Donations are an entirely different ball game to Loan monies. Donations are not protected by the Security over Fir Park. So once a donation is made, those funds are gone forever. That happened fairly regularly under a different regime. Otherwise the current Loan and/or Bank balance would be a great deal higher. From discussion with Society Board Members that is an issue they were keen to address soon after Board membership changed after the Barmack approach. Personally I don’t understand why all monies passed to MFC should not be by way of adding to the Loan. That way everything would be protected. Maybe there are accounting or tax implications? Talking of Barmack. One of his demands was that the outstanding Society Loan be written off entirely. Why was that? Well, that write off would have dispensed with the need for the Society to have Security over Fir Park. Barmack could then have sought external finance using Fir Park as a Guarantee. Default on any new Loan and Fir Park would have been at risk. A potential risk members identified and took into account when telling him to get lost. Hopefully never to be relied upon, but that Security over Fir Park provides so much protection in so many ways. It grants a huge say in the way things are done. But the Loan needs to exist for the safety net to exist. That is my understanding of how things stand. Anyone who knows differently please dive in. More than happy to stand corrected. Edited to add. Per Football Authority rules. Football debts are cleared first or else Club is sanctioned. So wages, outstanding transfers, suppliers are first up to be cleared. Tax is behind secured creditors as they lost a recent court case.
  6. Too many north east buisnessmen involved with that club all wanting a say in how club is run. Burrows probably too nice for them, but he did oversee a cup win. Where to now flo.
  7. Called it at the time about Burrows, Aberdeen and their warped self entitled fanbase. Anyone going there in a managerial or boardroom role has an almost impossible task.
  8. Lennon Miller and Steven Welsh in the Scotland squad.
  9. It is......trust me 🤣🤣
  10. Another one who left MFC thinking the grass is greener on the other side. Done good job for us , good luck in the future.
  11. Never seen it , but surely cant be that bad .🤣
  12. Saturday Night Live UK have approached me to join their show, apparently the standard of my jokes will fit in perfectly with them! 🤪🤪
  13. I didnt agree with some things he done. ( mcghee 2nd stint as manager), but he gave it his all for a club he loves
  14. Aberdeen fans put our moany fans to shame. They are on another level, they still think it’s 1982. theyve not been happy with him for a while and the Robinson factor has sunk him. I do think he was pretty much out his depth as. CEO. We probably let him off a lot due to him working his arse off for 20hrs a day for us. I like him, I wish him well.
  15. I also see folk complaining (albeit on Zuckbook) that he was anonymous and they'd pretty much forgotten he was there. Probably one of the better traits a CEO can have if you ask me, but only if you're getting results I suppose.
  16. Not surprised. He has been under pressure for quite some time. A significant section of their support are not having Robinson at all, so he is guilty by association. I do wonder though how much free reign he has had up there as Cormack seems very "hands on".
  17. Not an Ex Player, but Alan Burrows has stepped down at Aberdeen
  18. Alan Burrows quits Aberdeen. Probably a boost for the Aberdeen players!!
  19. Yesterday
  20. That's a blast from the past. And a very appropriate nickname.
  21. Maybe he was on the 2nd feed and had a late start to catch up on his sleep! šŸ˜šŸ˜šŸ˜
  22. He ended up in Seville, no Oz! šŸ˜‰
  23. You have very eloquently expanded on some of the thoughts I was having and put flesh on the bones of what I was trying to get across. Very well done! šŸ§”ā¤ļøšŸ§”
  24. Lengthy rambling post incoming, btw... I think there are two different lines of thought being discussed here. The first is whether the Society should ever use some of its money to invest in the club rather than continuing indefinitely to put everything into the reserve. On that, I can see a strong argument for change. The second is whether this particular structure is the right way to do it. I’m less certain about that. One thing I wouldn’t underestimate is the risk of doing nothing. As a club, we are competing against clubs where private owners or investors can put additional capital into training facilities, stadium improvements, commercial infrastructure, recruitment systems and sometimes simply provide financial headroom when it’s needed. That doesn’t guarantee success, and badly spent money can obviously achieve very little, but over a number of years that investment can compound. Better infrastructure can help develop players. Better commercial operations can generate more revenue. Better facilities can improve recruitment. Those things can eventually feed back into the playing budget. So if Motherwell cannot generate enough surplus internally to fund that type of long-term investment, and also decides not to access Society or external capital, there is a genuine risk of falling behind structurally. For me, that is probably the strongest argument in favour of the principle behind Active Investment. Where I think we need to be careful is making the jump from: ā€œMotherwell needs access to investmentā€ to: ā€œtherefore this particular annual rolling-loan model is the answer.ā€ They aren’t quite the same thing in my opinion. The Ā£1.5m reserve is still the first thing I would want clarified. If Ā£1.5m represents the amount the Society believes it prudently needs to protect the club against relegation and an unforeseen event, I still struggle slightly with the logic of diverting half of the default subscription income elsewhere before getting there. If Ā£1.5m is simply a longer-term target rather than a minimum safety level, that's a different matter. But I think members need to understand which it is. I also don’t think simply inflation-adjusting an old Ā£1.5m number necessarily gives us the answer. The correct reserve in 2026 should be based on the risks facing Motherwell in 2026, not just what Ā£1.5m from years ago is worth today. The consultation explains that around Ā£1m could be required in a relegation scenario, plus another Ā£500k for an unexpected loss of income. That sounds reasonable as a starting point, but I’d be interested in how far the downside scenario goes. For example, what happens if we spend two seasons in the Championship rather than one? What happens if relegation also affects transfer income? The consultation itself acknowledges the importance of recent player sales in covering potential shortfalls while the underlying operating deficit is reduced. If we were relegated, there is at least a possibility that player valuations fall, buyers know we are in a weaker negotiating position, some players want to leave, commercial income drops further, and the timing of sales becomes less favourable. That doesn’t mean Ā£1.5m is wrong, by the way. It just means fans might like to know that those risks have been considered together rather than relegation being treated as a single isolated Ā£1m event. I also agree with the point made above about the difference between productive investment and plugging ordinary losses. If the Society lends Ā£200k for a project that has a credible business case and will save the club Ā£60k a year, increase commercial income, improve an asset or otherwise produce measurable long-term value, I can see the logic. If the money gradually starts disappearing into normal annual operating expenditure, that is a very different proposition. The answer there could be a pretty firm rule that Active Investment is for identifiable investment projects, not simply another source of working capital to reduce the club’s normal deficit. That also brings me to the loan structure. Calling the scheme ā€œActive Investmentā€ is understandable, but what is currently proposed, from what I can see, is essentially an ongoing shareholder-loan arrangement. Again, there is nothing inherently wrong with that. Private football club owners use shareholder loans all the time. The difference is that a private owner is normally risking their own capital and may ultimately extend the loan indefinitely, convert it into shares or write it off. The Society is deploying money accumulated from thousands of supporters, so I think the terms deserve more scrutiny. When the consultation says the investment will be ā€œprotectedā€, what exactly does that mean? Is the loan secured? Does it earn interest? Where would it rank against other creditors? What happens if the club cannot repay after the stated period? Is rolling the loan expected to be the normal outcome? If loans keep being rolled for ten or fifteen years, is the Society effectively providing permanent capital anyway, and if so, would equity sometimes be a more appropriate structure? I don’t have a predetermined answer to those questions. I just think they are fundamental rather than technical details. There is also a broader point about how the projects are generated. I’d much rather the sequence was: ā€œHere is a project the club believes is worth Ā£250k. Here is what it costs, what it saves or generates, the payback period and why Society finance is the best funding source.ā€ rather than: ā€œWe have Ā£200k of Society money available every year. What can we spend it on?ā€ That distinction is important, I think, because otherwise the existence of an annual funding pot can eventually start driving the spending decision. That is something private owners also have to guard against. Access to easy capital can be useful, but it can also reduce financial discipline. So I’d probably be somewhere in the middle on the whole thing. I don’t think continuing forever with every penny going into a bank account is necessarily the best use of the Society’s position as majority shareholder. If other Scottish clubs are investing significantly in their businesses and Motherwell refuses to access any additional capital, there is a legitimate risk that we fall behind over time. But equally, being the majority shareholder should mean more than simply being the easiest source of finance available to the club. It should mean deploying capital selectively, independently and with a clear understanding of both the upside and the downside. That’s why I keep coming back to what seems like an obvious compromise. Agree the Active Investment framework now if members support the principle. Put the project appraisal process, loan terms and safeguards in place. But unless there is an urgent investment opportunity that makes waiting genuinely disadvantageous, why not maintain the existing default until the reserve reaches whatever level is finally agreed to be prudent? At that point you have both sides of the model in place: a properly funded safety net and a mechanism for investing in growth. For me, the question isn’t really whether the Society should invest in Motherwell. The answer is that It probably should. The more important question is how it does that without weakening the very financial protection that supporter ownership was designed to provide.
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