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I keep saying this but foreign referees for VAR and an ex player to give context is what’s needed.

He will be challenged. But, as I said elsewhere on the forum, he’ll contort to justify the decision.

Won't matter what size of pool we have if they don't know the Laws of the game and are not held accountable when that ignorance shows like it did Saturday. Will anybody challenge Collum to explain why 3 of his team, 5 if you include the Asst Refs, either didn't know the Law or decided to ignore it? Not a chance.

Alex Gorrin was in that mould. He was a dead cert for a yellow most games from smashing somebody but really tidy with the ball.

To be fair they aren't bottom purely down to the goalkeeper. He looks decent but wouldn't be one i would be interested in

Prior from Livingston, the team at the bottom the league, heading for the championship with the most goals conceded so far, aye ok then 🤦‍♂️

If that’s a penalty, we might as well start coaching our strikers to get down to ground level and start diving head-first into the path of defenders’ boots at every opportunity in the box. Oh wait, that’d be a foul for the defender.

Another way to look at it is we’re not just dealing with a small pool, we’re stuck with exactly the type of personalities that are drawn to refereeing. Average Joes in the real world with small man syndrome who suddenly get to throw their weight around with impunity on the pitch.

When you take try and take out the subjectivity, you end up with the current hand ball rules. There are multiple issues that need to be dealt with, from refs not understanding the game to players being coached to cheat. One of the biggest challenges is the small pool of available talent and how to address that.

I don't think there's that many additonal officials needed for VAR. I think the biggest problem is the lack of people who want to be refs means there is a small pool. What we are seeing is literally the best we have available.

Exactly this. The offence took place before Welsh made contact, and the fact Kabore got a boot to his noggin simply highlights it was dangerous play on his part, as defined by the laws of the game.

Just watched the penalty again Do not think Welsh could have done anything to avoid this at all

I picked up a very pertinent point from the Society socials about the penalty decision yesterday and its about timing. At the start of the sequence, the Hearts player heads the ball whilst lying on the ground. Thats a foul. Its only after that that Welsh kicks him. The "victim" was so badly injured that he had to roll about several times.

I think if we were offered £500k for Ward he'd be off. McCracken? No way. He's always got a blunder in him, just not against us. Not rated by Dundee fans I know.

For me we signed Maswanhise and Ward for no fee. If we could get say total of £4 million combined for pair of them then its great business and you give JBA half of that to spend

I've not seen loads of either I've just thought both GK's have been decent in the games I've seen them in. I'd imagine both Gk's passing accuracy would improve in our side. Ox last season was a decent keeper for us before his injury and if Ward was to leave I'd be comfortable enough with Ox starting for us again. Might be harsh but Connolly is not for me at all. Too small and that performance against Aberdeen left a lot to be desired.

Can't say I've been paying much attention to opposition keepers, but had a wee look at their passing accuracy stats for the last couple of games. Ward was between 70-80%, McCracken 50-60% and Prior around 40% for both matches. Could be to do with how many long balls they're hitting, but given what happened with Oxborough, you'd wonder if they're the type of keeper Jens would be after.

I've got to admit, that I am slowly falling into the ' can't be arsed anymore' category. Which, in itself is bewildering to me, as Ive been going for well over fifty years now and this season has been one of the best from a pure footballing perspective. Over the years, we got some absolutely stinking decisions against us and probably quite a few in our favour, which don't get memorised so much. However, the introduction of VAR, should have been a force for good, but has now became the antithesis of what it was supposed to be. Games are now being refereed from a secret broom cupboard somewhere, because the on field officials either cannot, or will not, make an decision or, in the few occasions that they actually call it, as they see it, have the balls to stick with a decision, when they are called the monitor to have another look. Modern day players add to this by going down at every opportunity, both sides were guilty of this yesterday and it seems to happen everywhere, every week. However, having a game re-refereed, five weeks after the event was a tipping point for me, we've all had our say, on what did/didn't happen that night. But I've always been in the 'when the full time whistle blows, then the game is over' camp when it comes to on field activities. Over officialdom is killing our game at an ever rapid pace and the people at the top need to get the message, but that message has to come from the fans and by that I mean every club, that is forced to use VAR on a weekly basis. Unfortunately, what should be an exciting post split period looks like a bit of a slog for me personally, however I very much doubt, I am the only one.

Agree with your reasons pal, just not for me

I've only watched him a few times but he's been good most of those times he's earned Dundee 4 points against us by making some big saves in the games, made a few decent saves in the derby game I watched and the game they beat Celtic. He's also young and Scottish so we could make some money from him if we can platform in a way he takes 1 of the back-up keeper slots in the National Team.

Mccracken? Jeez no....don't rate him at all

Just my opinion but if we got offered over a million then take it. I have never been a huge fan and if JBA wants keepers to be an extra outfield player then better options out there.

I think if a bid came in the 1.5M range he'd be off. He's been good for us but I feel he always has a mistake in him. If he is off I'd be having a look at Prior from Livi or McCracken at Dundee who's OOC. Oxborough also was a solid enough keeper for us when he was starting last season so I wouldn't mind him getting another go.

Correct and I'm starting to think we should do the same with Manwanhise

I wouldn't think there will be queues of clubs after him. Much of our clean sheet record was down to our style of play.