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Ive not argued that it wasnt a f#ck up. I would have preferred he put his laces through it. My argument (I prefer debate) is that its not solely on Ward. We have a manager instructing him to play that way. No surprise that he did as instructed. I also have sympathy with those saying we should give Ox a chance. Perfectly reasonable stance to take. My question is, why hasnt the manager done so? He see's the same things as us. But he also see's Ox in training every day and has decided to stick with Ward. Why?

Agree totally. Watt is option and mistakes like that will continue as long as directive there to play it from the back. Team cannot suddenly go off script. Positives and negatives of same. He had been it under a lot of pressure prior to that mistake and just made a good save before it too.

Everyone is going round in circles on this one. It was a keeper fuck up plain and simple. He joins Stevie Woods in the worst fuck ups against the OF from a winning position. Games done and lost, we can't change it.

The chances of the latter giving Celtic the equaliser compared to the former is 5% against 95%. Its just a bad judgement call no matter how its dressed up.

Im not sure I agree with that. If you look at the still, there is a clear pass to Watt, that if it comes off allows him to turn taking 5 Celtic players out the game and giving us a great opportunity to attack. Ward makes a rickets of it, and you could argue the pass is too risky. But the manager has stated clearly numerous times that he wants us to take risks and thats what he likes. I was happy to criticise Ward over the handling errors, as these are basic goalkeeping skills, but this isnt the same, and totally ignores the lack of options the manager has to deal with this without ripping up what we do. If fhe thought Ox was the answer he would have been in after the Killie game.

Why should he though? Every other time we passed about at the back we beat Celtic's press, the one time we failed they scored. What if he boots it up, Celtic player wins the ball, passes to a teammate and then scores immediately? Is that really seen as a better option? It's the risk we are taking and it's absolutely fine when it works.

I never thought I'd live to see the day where a Motherwell keeper would emulate Stevie Woods horrendous fuck up when we were on the verge of putting Rangers out the Cup in 1998 but there you go. Ward now has now made the "Worst Goalkeeping Fuck Up Ever" a joint Motherwell award.

Spot on, if there are no other options available then kick it long and clear the danger, it was very poor judgement from Ward that cost us a goal that's probably 4, maybe even 7 points hes cost us so far in just seven games.

Yes, but with only one league win by October, we can’t draw and lose our way to any kind of success this season.

Yeah, the takeaway is 2 fold. 1: Ward to atune his decision making in such situations. 2: Players to be alert to it, communicate and try and find space. Its weird, but we want teams to be encouraged to press us high and commit men as if we get through the line, they are then exposed. The way to frustrate us is probably to sit in and force us to play in front of them. Frustrating and what ifs so far, but we have been on top or at least well in the fight every game this season. We may be making mistakes, but were also giving ourselves a chance.

When you look at expected goal stats score was fair. It's just gutting to throw away 2nd goal and to loose last min goal Mwell average age was 25 and Celtic 27 which is positive.

Ward’s pass didn’t go astray. There was no forward option to a Motherwell player and he played it straight to a Celtic player. That was poor judgement, not a by-product of the style of play, which doesn’t preclude making a sensible clearance when no options are available.

All this chat of get Ward out is so frustrating to read. I would be interested to see how many passes he made in his box while Celtic pushed up to around our 18 yard line, I would guess a fair few. He is being asked to play like this by his manager and is integral to the style of play we now embrace. As soon as he plays it through their press we find gaps and this has been evident in most games this season. Issue is the more you play that move the more chance there is of a mistake happening, which the manager pointed out in his interview. I don’t think Ox can play this way and I would be he would make more mistakes than Ward. It’s the nature of the position that a mistake can lead to a goal, but I don’t think it’s all wards fault. Put it this way if let’s say Welsh made a mistake that led to a goal would we all be jumping on wanting him out the door?

I'm with you on this mate and feel we will learn as most teams will start doing same. I.e putting 5 players up on us at goal kicks. JBA will see this and will develop a play out that will bypass these 5. There must be room elsewhere on pitch if they have 5 to mark our 2cdms and 2 cbs so that will be worked out what to do if this happens again. There is always solutions and I am sure we will find them. As others have said 1st time in years we have gave them a right game and only our lack of subs and 1 bad decision cost us. We are a match for anyone just now and it is great to see. Ps I would keep faith with ward as there is no way ox would give us extra man in playing out from back.

If there's a finite amount of errors from Ward that jba is willing to accept we have not reached it yet. Will it be another 4 or 5 games once we're out the cup and dropped more points?

What a horrible dream I had. Woke up sweating. We were 2-1 up at Parkhead and doing great until a horrendous howler from Ward then an injury time winner for sellik. Thank God that didn't happen............. Awwww nawwwwww 🤪🤪

The press jumped on the Kettlewell ‘story’ because false headlines shift papers, while the truth about Martin doesn’t suit their agenda.

You're spot on. Sevco fans are more important than than Martin though, whilst Kettlewell is more important than Well fans (in the eyes of the media).

Pretty much how I feel.

The luck they always have against us? is it luck. How many times have we lost games against Celtic in injury time over the last few years?

Correct , in any type of play a keeper of ANY standard should be able to deal with that today. He just made an horrendous error of judgement. Sadly too many have been happening to him . The dropped ball against Kilmarnock was not because of our style of play. The two goals against Hearts were not because of our style of play. They were all basic goalkeeping errors. I suspect there will be a finite level of the number of basic errors the manager will accept.

If Ox isnt up to it, its a long time until January if you've burned the only alternative. Im not saying Im happy with the mistakes he has made, but I was more upset about the handling errors in the Hearts and Killie games than today. Not that it makes any difference what any of us think as JBA is going to back him and thats all that counts.

I don’t think it’s an expectation thing, I’d say it’s more to do with players willingness to dig in and do the hard work rather then wait for someone else to do it, our players work rate if a hell of a lot more than theirs and for that we should all be grateful.

Calum Ward's error rate is now unsustainable. Yes, keepers do make mistakes, but there comes a point when it really becomes unacceptable, and thats where we are now. The Ox is now due his chance again. If he proves unreliable then we have to move for a new keeper in the January sales. Goalkeeping errors are now costing us big time.